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This 35 second clip changed my perception of Iron Mike Tyson
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Unless they make comic book films they like. Then the past doesn't matter.
was thinking the same. ask many and they will tell you they are for rehabilitation but only because that's what a lot of liberals are supposed to say.
Framing this place as a hive mind despite in almost every thread the claim is made in showing support on both sides of a debate continues to be incredibly dumb.
When people get old, they change. A lot of them realise all the shit they've done in their life and realise how little left is there. Many people turn around when they get to his age. Of course it doesn't excuse anything.
It's not that people can't change, it's that every individual has their own personal threshold for what they are willing to forgive. Not everyone is willing to forgive rape, and that is entirely their prerogative and I don't see how that position can be argued against.
Oh man. Tyson on Rogan. Now I'm wondering if my general antipathy for both of these fellows outweighs my interest in investigating what will probably be an intellectually-void trainwreck
I'm just a big fan of forgiveness. Especially when it comes to hating someone in their 50s because of what they did in their early 20s. That's 30 fucking years.
You harm no one but yourself.
Is this what's happening? Are people upset that other people are pointing out his troubled history? What thread are you reading that I'm not? So far as I can tell, there are people who are a little bothered with folks coming to the conclusion that OP is a rape apologist of sorts. Maybe a few people who are upset that there's a little hypocrisy afloat...but I see no one upset that anyone brought up Mike Tysons troubled and terrible past.
is this a reference to Gunn's dumb edgelord jokes in a thread about an actual rapist?
lol "he was in his early twenties"
You know, I know a lot of men in their twenties who have managed not to rape women, but maybe you have a different threshold for, uh, "locker room talk" than the rest of us.
Has anybody done this? Did anybody enter this thread intending to talk about how great Mike Tyson is?
It's really weird that some of ya'll are going in on the "era doesn't forgive/is so negative" shit over a convicted rapist.
Like, choose a better hill.
Like, choose a better hill.
That's fine, that's your prerogative. You wouldn't say that to the victim though, or any rape victim, or anyone who knows a rape victim, or advocates against rape/domestic violence, right?
I remember for years him claiming he never raped her and it was a setup from the jump. Has he reneged on that?
Unless I really misinterpreted what people were saying (which is entirely possible and if so I apologize) there's a couple right on page 1 complaining about people coming in and shitting up a thread
You can't do anything about that but you can do something about the way you feel about it. I'm not religious or a hippie but I don't enjoy hating or resenting people.
And for the record I'm not a Tyson fan. It's not stanning on my part.
These are not contradictory positions. You can want someone to be rehabilitated so they are no longer a threat, and you can also choose to not personally support people for the crimes they have committed.
He really isn't anymore. On multiple occasions he's acknowledged he pretty much only cares about his kids now and that the stuff he did before when he was a boxer was because he was young, desperate and stupid. Doesn't absolve all the bad things he did, but he very much recognizes that as a part of his life that no longer is who he is
Lookin' at that house he's living in I don't think Tyson needs to worry about material support anyway.
If you are asserting people enjoy hating or resenting you would have to provide proof that that is their motivation.
You know that's impossible just like it's impossible to prove that Tyson has changed into a better person. It's up to each individual to feel what they feel. It's a choice.
I think the thread would have went differently had OP framed it this way rather than changing their mind after watching a 35 second video.
Mike Tyson was a complete monster who committed one of the most heinous offenses a person can, with damages that probably never have, nor will, completely heal for the victims. There's no way to undo that or make up for it.
And he knows this himself.
I don't know the guy, or his victims. I won't necessarily say he's a good person, since his harm still lingers. But if he can act in the best, most humane way possible from now on, that's literally the most we can expect out of him.
And he knows this himself.
I don't know the guy, or his victims. I won't necessarily say he's a good person, since his harm still lingers. But if he can act in the best, most humane way possible from now on, that's literally the most we can expect out of him.
My boxing coach went to prison for some very bad things, was a drug addict and fell into bare knuckle street fighting for money in the 80s. Been to prison a ton.
He's a good person today. He wasn't back then. I'm all for rehabilitation and people becoming better humans, but I don't think you can ever completely erase who you were.
I don't think Mike Tyson can't have changed. But I also don't know that PR firm produced versions are anything to go by. And I don't think the current narrative of Mike Tyson as a sympathetic figure is a great way to look at a man who was so damaging to other people's lives. We can talk about someone having changed, but I don't think anyone who did the things Mike did could be called sympathetic. Allow for change and improvement, but he can't undo what he did and he'll always have been the man who did some horrible stuff.
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I mean, this is a scientifically documented thing. Hatred/anger actually cause dopamine releases in the brain.
I feel like there are probably people who actually would want to have those belts and would pay a pretty sum for them. Imagine if he sold them off and used the money to fund, say, organizations working to end domestic violence and sexual assault.
I think that would matter more to someone like me wondering if he really understands the gravity of his previous actions vs. just looking sad on camera for half a minute
I think that would matter more to someone like me wondering if he really understands the gravity of his previous actions vs. just looking sad on camera for half a minute
Rehabilitation and personal forgiveness for past actions are not the same thing why are you people conflating two different concepts.
Im not sure if he has addressed that specifically, but Ive heard him on a podcast a few months ago and he talks about being an absolute maniac when he was younger
Era dont forgive or forget.... unless your name is Michael Jackson.
Come on now, you're basically saying your argument is the reason anyone hates anything is because of dopamine.
Oh shit, who said that?
Lol, it's fairly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know if you even watched the clip in the OP
I got the impression that the "shitting up the thread" complaints were directed to people saying things like "wtf OP?" or suggesting that this thread was on some "we forgive you king" BS. Not that people were upset that his past was brought up. I mean, I was one of those people, wondering why people were concluding that OP was a rape apologist, since that's not indicated in any of his posts.
More or less reductionist reactions to OPs reaction thread to a 35 second video...yea this was destined to be a shit thread.
No, this is an inaccurate extrapolation of what I posted. I'm just specifically addressing your earlier statement I quoted, that yes, there is an actual biological reason that people "enjoy" negative emotions like anger and hatred.
I'm not sure you've actually been in a Michael Jackson thread on Era.
Mike tyson Mysteries shows him as angry brute who beats anything in his path. His PR firm is doing shit job if they trying to change his image.
I spend about 8 hours a week in a boxing gym with a fair-share of Mike Tyson truthers who think he didn't even commit crimes. I am well aware of most of the arguments for/against him being a good person today or not.
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