Nah, I'm not going to apologize for being tired of straight white males. It's exhausting dealing with the bigotry and intolerance here.
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This fetishized in-game ad from Cyberpunk 2077 raises some questions about how the game may depict LGBT (NSFW) [See Staff Post Before Posting]
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Nah, I'm not going to apologize for being tired of straight white males. It's exhausting dealing with the bigotry and intolerance here.
Its just so hard to be white
I've never been hospitalized for being white but someone said I was privileged and gosh darnit, that cuts
From what I've seen of the game so far I feel like body dysmorphia will be a major talking point of the game. They may not have responded as people would have liked, but you can't demand they comment everytime someone sees something they may not agree with. While the voiceovers have not been good i'd say to keep that issue separated from this one; I'd wager it may be viewed differently were you to hear the VO's in Polish and the English casting or translations may not be final as of yet.
I'm hopeful that CDPR will be able to tackle these issues in an intelligent manner, especially considering the world they are trying to build. I don't find the image here offensive personally, as it may be trying to show how people can pick and choose how they look 100%. Instead I find it sort of comical as it's uh.. Very big.
As for the handling of other cultures.. That does seem a little off the more I read into it. Hopefully a different gameplay slice will be better? It's hard to say with only one vid to go off of.
I'm hopeful that CDPR will be able to tackle these issues in an intelligent manner, especially considering the world they are trying to build. I don't find the image here offensive personally, as it may be trying to show how people can pick and choose how they look 100%. Instead I find it sort of comical as it's uh.. Very big.
As for the handling of other cultures.. That does seem a little off the more I read into it. Hopefully a different gameplay slice will be better? It's hard to say with only one vid to go off of.
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So for all of you still bending over backwards trying to give CDPR the benefit of the doubt here's how they handle non-white culture in the game
If you are discriminated against yes, you are allowed to fight back. Oppressed people know what the alternative is. This imaginary world where oppressed groups are nice to their oppressors and don't speak out and still escape from oppression does not now nor has it ever existed.
You have turned the last page of this thread into a "It's so hard being a straight white male" rallying cry for a handful of posters.
Nobody needs to put words into your mouth. You've done it yourself.
Real talk, this game is going to come out and people are going to be ANGRY by a LOT of the stuff in it, and are going to be forced to learn about how "harmless imagery I saw on an image board" can have repercussions.
Either that or they'll just continue to ignore minority voices.
Naw, they'll just continue to ignore minority voices.
"I'm tired of straight white men"
*People lose their shit.*
As said before, it's the equivalent of a woman sighing, rolling her eyes and saying "urgh, men". Especially in the topic you're in, about what it's about and with some of the responses we've had.
Why are y'all acting like you've had a target painted on your back and having abuse hurled at you. You're not actually offended though, right? You'd just rather have a conversation about yourselves and your plight in the thread about transphobic issues.
*People lose their shit.*
As said before, it's the equivalent of a woman sighing, rolling her eyes and saying "urgh, men". Especially in the topic you're in, about what it's about and with some of the responses we've had.
Why are y'all acting like you've had a target painted on your back and having abuse hurled at you. You're not actually offended though, right? You'd just rather have a conversation about yourselves and your plight in the thread about transphobic issues.
And it would have been even harder if you weren't straight, white, and male.
That's the fucking point.
Amazing that you people managed to hijack this thread and make it about perceived slights instead of actual damage to the trans community. Like you always do.
So did you realize while you were typing this that all of those things people can be discriminated for can be even worse if you're a minority? Yes every human has hardships. That is however an incredibly weak argument against speaking out for marginalized communities.
A team had to move this asset through the development process (design, implement, approve, and program in that asset among other things). There were plenty of places this could have been flagged and changed. This was a team effort, and because of that CDPR totally deserves to be called out. There are smarter ways to show a world filled with extreme levels of transhumanism that don't include backhanded transphobic "jokes".
This should be the thread title.
Seriously, the ignorance is astounding.
the usual ERA ad hominem strategy of pointing to post count to dismiss someone, because apparently new people on the forum are all *burner* accounts
THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT YOU. Smfh
Yeah, a lot of us hate white men here, so you're no going to get a lot of sympathy for that statement. / s
Yeap. At this point I only open threads about this kind of stuff to see the graveyard and how many posts does it take to turn into that.
I dunno its pretty accurate, and I'm someone whose been accused of being a burner, ironically for calling out racism
You got folks in double digits going ALL LIVES MATTER in a thread about the shitty representation of transgender people by CDPR
It's almost as if there is a VERY LONG proven history of this being the case in threads about social issues or something.
Sure, as a straight white male, you can get discriminated against for looks, personality, and class.
But as an example, a gay black woman can get discriminated against for looks, personality, class, sexuality, race, and gender.
That's how white privilege works. Whatever strife you have in life has a much lower difficulty cap than many other people who aren't white, male, or straight because they are potentially subjected to the same things you are and worse.
Also, have you ever had your church burn down because of your personality? Have you ever had a hate group form over your looks?
I'm not going to let you come for me like that, sis.
It IS telling because we've had numerous accounts in this thread banned for this very thing, burner accounts with little posts except to spread alt-right hate. I'm going to call out that shit. I'm not going to let straight males dismiss this serious issue without a fight.
And the fact that they have to hide behind an account to do it, fucking cowards.
I think one of the posts explaining why fetishization of trans people is damaging should be threadmarked.
Well, judging by what that poster later said it isn't a baseless assumption.
When I saw the image, it didn't really bug me as this is a cyberpunk game where generally in the future gender fluidity is common. However, you have to remember that this is CDPR, and the previous backlash against them. So I can completely understand people not providing them the benefit of the doubt. They've not earned it.
This ad was in last years demo. Seems like it's of a sexual nature, given the one above it with "All Night Every Night".
thats what i thought, the ad is about the energy drink that makes your dick big like the one of the person in the ad and lets you have a boner all night. the person in the ad is maybe known for having a big chromatic dick in the world of Cyberpunk 2077.
if it plays out like that, i would be fine with it, remember that this is a hyper sexualized world.
Seems fitting for the setting and themes of Cyberpunk that this game should depict fetishized ads of transgender models. I imagine we'll be seeing hyper-sexualized ads depicting cis-genedered women and men as well, though I suspect women will be disproportionately sexualized (as usual). Hopefully this isn't the case as it would surely be more interesting and alien-feeling for this future to subvert this expectation by fetishizing all genders more or less equally.
Of course, should it turn out that women (cis and/or trans) are disproportionately fetishized in the media within the game, whether this would constitute a mere depiction or full-on endorsement of sexism and/or transphobia is ultimately up to how predisposed the individual playing the game is toward charitable interpretations of questionable representation. I'm inclined to judge works of art on their own merits and generally won't concern myself with, say, CDPR's social media presence. That said, the disappointing dialogue and representation in the Spanglish-heavy game demo we saw last year (and everything we're hearing about the Voodoo boys in the new demo) has certainly made me less inclined to be charitable with CDPR, which is a shame as I find stuff like this ad to be very compelling from a world-building perspective. Unfortunately, when that world is full of characters embodying rote stereotypes, what might have been a provocative depiction of the commodification of the trans experience starts to feel more superficial and exploitative in context.
I'm hoping desperately that there will be a meaningful exploration of transhumanism as it relates to gender, sexuality, and ethnicity in this game, but I've been feeling less and less optimistic about that. 😕
Of course, should it turn out that women (cis and/or trans) are disproportionately fetishized in the media within the game, whether this would constitute a mere depiction or full-on endorsement of sexism and/or transphobia is ultimately up to how predisposed the individual playing the game is toward charitable interpretations of questionable representation. I'm inclined to judge works of art on their own merits and generally won't concern myself with, say, CDPR's social media presence. That said, the disappointing dialogue and representation in the Spanglish-heavy game demo we saw last year (and everything we're hearing about the Voodoo boys in the new demo) has certainly made me less inclined to be charitable with CDPR, which is a shame as I find stuff like this ad to be very compelling from a world-building perspective. Unfortunately, when that world is full of characters embodying rote stereotypes, what might have been a provocative depiction of the commodification of the trans experience starts to feel more superficial and exploitative in context.
I'm hoping desperately that there will be a meaningful exploration of transhumanism as it relates to gender, sexuality, and ethnicity in this game, but I've been feeling less and less optimistic about that. 😕
Yeah, you're right, it has nothing to do with which threads new accounts post in and what they say when they post.
Sure, ok. Social stratification functions along class, appearance, religion, etc.
The point is this. There are certain types of identities that are pushed to the boundaries - that are regarded as abnormal or counter-hegemonic. Pointing out the social effects of white hetero male hegemony is not about individual cases, it's about normalising gender/race relations at a systemic level.
Do you think discrimination for being part of an oppressed minority group is equal to discrimination for "personality"?
I mean, it's an ad depicting a woman with a large penis with the slogan "mix it up" and a product name that's a combination of "hormone" and a word for a mishmashed monster. From a company with a complicated history with these issues.
I think it's more the generalisation. Most folks on Era came here because they are accepting and understanding of the issues LGBTQ folks have to go through (not saying they'll ever understand them or that as white straight males we're not extremely privileged, but they are certainly more allied with our queer brothers and sisters than any hate groups or such)
Not offended, no. I just don't like the stereotype.
I've personally learned a lot today from this topic alone about why this particular image was hurtful to the trans community.
But don't go around lumping everyone in the same boat. That's not conducive to anything.
It's not our fault they are stupid enough to think we won't notice.
This has been discussed/explained repeatedly on most pages of the thread.
I'm a straight white male and I've been tired of straight white males for a LONG time.
It absolutely blows my mind that most SWMs still don't understand how privileged they are.
And have the gall to sit and complain when people on the margins are mistreated, misrepresented or *shock!* given just a hint of representation in media.
Jesus Christ.
It absolutely blows my mind that most SWMs still don't understand how privileged they are.
And have the gall to sit and complain when people on the margins are mistreated, misrepresented or *shock!* given just a hint of representation in media.
Jesus Christ.
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Nothing, unless you want it to be.
Is it not allowed to create controversial portrayals of straight white men in posts? I understood the uproar of the "Fuck straight white men" post, but in my opinion the straight white men are a bit too sensitive. Everything is sexist or racist etc. when a straight white man is not displayed as the most careful, harmonic and sensitive smh
Maybe you could have some goddamned empathy to the trans people who have pointed out their problems with it.
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