Someone thought they were real clever there.
"See, the idea is that people are mixing up gender parts like some kinda human manticore for lolz!"
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"See, the idea is that people are mixing up gender parts like some kinda human manticore for lolz!"
One of those cases of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It could have been better, but there's still time to improve.
It could have been better, but there's still time to improve.
i looked at those covers and didn't see a penis. did i miss one?
Did you see those colors? I'd say visually yes. I'm not saying your interpretation doesn't. I'm saying that was my initial thought from looking at the ad.
The simplest, most distilled version I can give you: the only "good" corporations are worker-owned and controlled. Nevertheless, legally speaking, every corporation has is legally bound to do one thing above all else: create a profit for its owners. That comes at very real human cost of labor.
This will go way beyond the scope of this thread, though lol.
Someone summarized it far better than I could: https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...is-not-great-nsfw.122649/page-2#post-21772139
It's not out of question, could also be just someone using a futuristic body mod, however, the context is, CDPR has had a transphobia problem before, that's why this is rising flags to some people, if their track record was clean, nobody would be saying a pip.
chromosomes are parts of your genes that make up who you are. Your X/Y chromosomes will determine your sex based on what combination you are born with.
Manticore is a mythological beast known for being a combination of several different beasts like a scorpion tail, human head and lion body.
I think chromosome might be a stretch when it could be just chrome which fits the cyberpunk theme.
I feel like normalization of non binary people to the point that they are fetishized in ads on the street is pretty cyberpunk.
This, people salivating all over this game with no qualms whatsoever just really aggravate me. Reaction thread was sadly full of typical willfully ignorant HYPPPPE GAMEZZZZZ posts
And there it is. This is some tired shit. Funny how the word outrage always comes from people trying to shut down these conversations.
Protip: if you can't bring yourself to even read the thread and understand the conversation this outrage schtick never sticks. No one is fooled.
The game proper could handle this web of topics expertly but nothing we've seen of the company would indicate the empathy or tact to do so.
Wish all the folks jumping though hoops to defend CDPR would put some of that energy into helping defend trans people.
But we're not making a video game so i guess we're not worth it.
But we're not making a video game so i guess we're not worth it.
It's really a tired trope. Urban diversity of all sorts is often used in the lowest forms of cyberpunk media to signify social disorder and it's so lazy and insulting.
CDPR why.
I get that cyberpunk is supposed to be at least slightly dystopian, and that means that shitty things are normal, but of all things, why pick this?
I get that cyberpunk is supposed to be at least slightly dystopian, and that means that shitty things are normal, but of all things, why pick this?
lol it's like we're out here literally lobbing molotovs at CDPR by talking about their media
gamer skin is so thin
Took me a second to spot it in the image.
This is spot on, but "Tired understanding of cyberpunk" is a fucking laughable complaint. They understand it just find. It's certainly not innovative but then neithers the literary genre itself these days. Their understanding is fine, Cyberpunk 2020 is pruposefully "old school" cyberpunk. "Tired implementation" would make more sense.
This is spot on, but "Tired understanding of cyberpunk" is a fucking laughable complaint. They understand it just find. It's certainly not innovative but then neithers the literary genre itself these days. Their understanding is fine, Cyberpunk 2020 is pruposefully "old school" cyberpunk. "Tired implementation" would make more sense.
Yeah, but who is saying the person depicted in the screenshot is trans and not in drag? I get that it must be offensive for people if it was the former, but how do you, or anyone really, know that's the case? And no I'm not ignoring CDProjekts history with this issue, but in this case it's still jumping to conclusions, imo.
I agree. Although I do not condone any negative representations of trans done by CDPR in the past, this image itself does not tell me much.
If it's a trans, there's many ppl who experience their transition differently, not just a normative gender switch.
If it's a man who likes to "switch-it" up, well okay then.
The idea to aggressively want to portray a trans to gender normative would alienate all the ppl in between and those who don't even like to be labeled by any gender.
again, intent here is needed for clarification.
I can see a world where this is supposed to be a 'corporations are terrible' bit of environmental storytelling, but CDPR does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. And even then, just....why? There are ten thousand different ways to get that message across.
I have a suspicion that any response from them will not be well received or believed, to be quite honest. I'm already getting the "GOTCHA" vibes from some of the responses.
And in end I completely agree that they are responsible for their own work and depictions and yeah, given their history should provide a response or explanation.
But again, I don't think it'll be believed or accepted.
Just consume product and never think about product.
Wait in line with money in hand for next product.
It's also about body modification to the point that no one even thinks about it as strange though. So I don't look at that poster within the context of the cyberpunk genre and automatically think "negative representation". The problem comes with the fact that this is CDPR and a question of intent.
picture isn't mine and I guess we'll see when it actually comes out; I do agree that "tired implementation" is more apt though.
The level of obscenity makes it clear the point is to disgust, depicting gender non conforming people as sexually aggressive is one of the oldest tropes in the book. The window for that kind of imagery to be viewed as a positive form of expression is very narrow and given CDPR's history it doesn't seem like it's something that they have the position to present.
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I mean. It's a cyberpunk universe. The person could be a trans woman with a penis, could be a man in drag, could be man who wants to dress effeminate. Like seriously, without any context within the game- how can you tell. For all we know, they're just a woman with some kind of insane body modification that puts the goddamn robot claw in their pelvis. I dunno- it's dystopian future, and showing off what could be a non-binary person up front and in an ad seems cool and more body positive than anything? It's not in a mocking tone, it's not using insulting language, and the in game advertisement is front and center in universe.
Or I could be totally wrong. But without any context behind the in-universe explanation of what I'm being shown, I can't say for sure.
Or I could be totally wrong. But without any context behind the in-universe explanation of what I'm being shown, I can't say for sure.
This is not the place for that kind of ignorant and hurtful opinion.
This is true, I have a trans friend whom I learn a good bit from, she likes to wear a variety of clothing styles, and indeed some of them are fairly revealing, to put it delicately. She is happy with her particular choices, no surgery but hormones and support groups. I'm lucky to have her to learn from, things that might otherwise confuse me like dead naming, TERFs, etc. I'll ask her what she thinks of this deal, but I won't assume anything presumptive.
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Honestly the topic of gender and presentation in this kind of setting is actually really interesting, but I'm not so interested in what a dodgy corporation has to say about it.
We don't even know if the person in that picture is trans.
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That is not supposed to be what some of you are saying it is. Give over! It's just artwork and fashion.
I'm sick to death of reading the constant theories of how people ate actively attacking particular groups of people.
I'm sick to death of reading the constant theories of how people ate actively attacking particular groups of people.
Genuinely curious how this is transphobic.
Is the model in the ad trans? What's wrong with them having a dick?
Advertising has always used problematic & heavily sexualized imagery to crassly sell shit. In the capitalism run amok, body-mod h+ world of Cyberpunk 20whatever, doesn't this ad fit right in? Isn't this a form of equal opportunity representation / exploitation? Like, isn't this a believable extrapolation of our current fetishistic advertising's trends?
I'm admittedly coming at this as a cishet dude though, I'm not trying to tell anyone how to feel.
Is the model in the ad trans? What's wrong with them having a dick?
Advertising has always used problematic & heavily sexualized imagery to crassly sell shit. In the capitalism run amok, body-mod h+ world of Cyberpunk 20whatever, doesn't this ad fit right in? Isn't this a form of equal opportunity representation / exploitation? Like, isn't this a believable extrapolation of our current fetishistic advertising's trends?
I'm admittedly coming at this as a cishet dude though, I'm not trying to tell anyone how to feel.
Cross-Dresser is currently the preferred choice of word because "drag" has the negative image of middle-aged men with beards standing on corner streets that the media in the 80's and 90's hammered into the people.
If a person considers themselves Trans or Cross-Dresser, regardless if they just change clothes, is their choice. No-one should label them with what they don't consider themselves to be. Not straight people and not fringe trans/gay groups.
That's what happens when you have history of being transphobic.
Even if this person isn't trans, can we agree this is a hella tacky as an image? Like, why is this there?
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We do know that the person will be considered by many to be trans, as drag queens often are. The result is more important than the intent.
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