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This fucking incel shit has got to stop.
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What exactly are they victims of? They idolize Elliott Rodgers. What was he a victim of? He's like incel prime but he was a fairly good looking rich kid that could have been a "Chad" if his toxic personality and sense of entitlement didn't put girls off.
I agreed with you already and don't really wish to continue talking about this. I don't want to be that kind of person so I'll try to avoid that line of thought ok?
And this point I already know I don't know how to interact with women or what they want. My problems are that I probably don't try or come off as not trying. Yes, you're right there's nothing wrong with letting people know that. Hell if I know how to navigate that.
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Sorry i don't have the background to answer in so specific cases.
Wow, I didn't even realize this whole incel thing even existed. It's awful, terrifying and sad all at the same time.
On the discussion about not having luck with getting into relationships, I have a few comments.
1.) I remember how it felt to be in high school or college, where to a certain degree you feel like that is the vital, most important time of your life. Anything you missed out on in those years would be devestating mistakes. Now in my mid 30s, I realize how untrue that is. My 30s have been by far my happiest years so far, and I'm in by far the best relationship of my life. I didn't have sex in high school, more because of growing up in a Christian home, but I definately felt at times like I was "missing out". Honestly, it hasn't mattered a bit. I haven't felt bad or guilty and it's had no negative impact on my life. Like I said, if anything my 30s has been by far the best time for me both romatically and in life in general as some other posters can atest to as well.
2.) The constant negativity is a huge turn off to most people. It's normal to have insecurities, because hey, the majority of us do not look like supermodels or actors/actresses on TV and in movies. That said the large amount of negativity seen in some of the posts on this page are unfortuantely going to be obvious to people in how you interact around others. In many cases it's things like that that are actually making people not want to date you, rather than your looks.
3.) On this same point, we are all our own worst critics. I guaruntee you without question that if you are concerned about being too ugly, you likely see yourself as far worse than other people do. You'd be amazed at how much variability there in who does or doesn't find somebody attractive.
4.) At the end of day, we have two options in how we tackle things we don't like about ourselves. We can sit around and stew about how awful things, which usually just makes you feel worse. The other option is to harness that energy into making positive changes to yourself. It's about happiness and if not being in relationships is leading to a lack of happiness, then you need to do a self asessment on what you think the problem is. If you are concerned about your looks, there are plenty of things you can do to help that. No, you can't change your natural looks, but there are things you can change and improve on. FIrst, look at health and fitness (if you aren't already) as a great way for self improvement. Getting yourself active and in shape. Improve your diet. Also, things like personal grooming and haircuts can make a world's of difference in the looks department. Again, it's also great for your own self esteem that will also affect how you interact with others.
On the discussion about not having luck with getting into relationships, I have a few comments.
1.) I remember how it felt to be in high school or college, where to a certain degree you feel like that is the vital, most important time of your life. Anything you missed out on in those years would be devestating mistakes. Now in my mid 30s, I realize how untrue that is. My 30s have been by far my happiest years so far, and I'm in by far the best relationship of my life. I didn't have sex in high school, more because of growing up in a Christian home, but I definately felt at times like I was "missing out". Honestly, it hasn't mattered a bit. I haven't felt bad or guilty and it's had no negative impact on my life. Like I said, if anything my 30s has been by far the best time for me both romatically and in life in general as some other posters can atest to as well.
2.) The constant negativity is a huge turn off to most people. It's normal to have insecurities, because hey, the majority of us do not look like supermodels or actors/actresses on TV and in movies. That said the large amount of negativity seen in some of the posts on this page are unfortuantely going to be obvious to people in how you interact around others. In many cases it's things like that that are actually making people not want to date you, rather than your looks.
3.) On this same point, we are all our own worst critics. I guaruntee you without question that if you are concerned about being too ugly, you likely see yourself as far worse than other people do. You'd be amazed at how much variability there in who does or doesn't find somebody attractive.
4.) At the end of day, we have two options in how we tackle things we don't like about ourselves. We can sit around and stew about how awful things, which usually just makes you feel worse. The other option is to harness that energy into making positive changes to yourself. It's about happiness and if not being in relationships is leading to a lack of happiness, then you need to do a self asessment on what you think the problem is. If you are concerned about your looks, there are plenty of things you can do to help that. No, you can't change your natural looks, but there are things you can change and improve on. FIrst, look at health and fitness (if you aren't already) as a great way for self improvement. Getting yourself active and in shape. Improve your diet. Also, things like personal grooming and haircuts can make a world's of difference in the looks department. Again, it's also great for your own self esteem that will also affect how you interact with others.
Anyone who joins a group that idolizes Eliot Roger has gone past being a victim.
You've fallen for their central thesis:
They are the true victims.
It's what fuels their aggrievement and people like you validate them
They get called mysogynist, dangerous fuckwits because that's what all the terrifying manifestos of this hate group read like.
The people describing themselves as sub-human and women as not even human at all are the incels.
No, they aren't. I fail to see how the young women these incels write their disgusting philosophy about are at fault. Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean joining a hate group is a logical progression from realising it. Most people understand that as part of growing up. If you're a young guy, you want to enjoy a relationship and you're always getting turned down as a pattern, there are things you can do to find out why, desperation is less attractive than the self-confidence gained with personal growth. Joining a hateful group of twisted, bitter tossers on the internet or turning to manipulative PUAs to con people into liking the superficial you long enough to lure them to your bedroom isn't one of them.
What exactly are they victims of? Their worst enemy is themselves and the self-perpetuating bullshit they write.
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They are victoms of a toxic masculinity culture that places a man's worth to his sex life. Then become manipulated into following hateful beliefs by incels online.
Doesn't mean you have to pity or agree with them, just understand how they get there. Feminism and destroying toxic masculinity is the key I believe to nipping this in the bud.
Kind of like how ISIS recruits impressionable young muslims.
Its a twisted form of "help." Cults operate the same way.
Doesn't mean you have to pity or agree with them, just understand how they get there. Feminism and destroying toxic masculinity is the key I believe to nipping this in the bud.
Kind of like how ISIS recruits impressionable young muslims.
Its a twisted form of "help." Cults operate the same way.
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at this point, I think the internet needs real id's.
and we need therapy or state assisted housing for these loony tunes
and we need therapy or state assisted housing for these loony tunes
Facebook and Twitter has proven showing your real identity is no barrier to people being hateful.
yes, but facebook and twitter has also shown, that if you are hateful there can be real life implications for ethernet actions.
be a racist nazi, lose your job.
become ostracized by your family
There's a big difference between a young person struggling with growing pains, rejection and feeling under pressure to have sex as soon as possible because media/society suggests it's what young men do, and what those who identify as 'incels' are.
Sure, the former is a victim of toxic masculinity, that it hurts men too is part of the problem. But when the latter twist that first rejection that is a part of growing up into something horrific, telling teenagers they will be forever alone, it's all girls fault and they aren't human or worthy of respect for their own agency in choosing to be with whoever they like, then that self-identified group is something else. At that point they've turned the chance for realisation that life isn't fair, that you don't always get the girl, that they can say 'no' time and again and choose someone else that you despise for some reason into a hate group determined to get revenge for the lack of other people's affection they feel entitled to.
As someone who was single until my mid-twenties I understand how confusing it can be to see your friends start to settle down while even your female pals don't understand why you're single. However, there's a huge difference between the problems facing adolescents growing up online, seeing only the happy successes posted by their peers on their social media pages and none of the issues they also might face, and those that choose to join a hate group and turn rejection into encouraging disgusting attacks on others.
Understanding 'incels' doesn't lead solely back to toxic masculinity as a cause- if it was, with being single as a young person incredibly common, we'd see far more of this. Most people who face rejection time and again before meeting someone later in life manage to not join a hate group, I put part of it down to isolation and lack of support, part of it down to a severe lack of empathy in accepting other people's relationship choices, part of it down to unwillingness for the effort required for personal growth. Some of the sicko manifestos seem to just want a government-assigned sex slave rather than a relationship. That's not victimhood, that's psychopathy.
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Right, the hate group finds these people and tries to twist them. I was a target of an attempt once, and I told them to fuck off.
Yeah, I agree with you there. I really do think managing first rejection is vital, having your heart broken is when you need your friends around and to focus on yourself a bit, not a load of twisted fuckers online telling you a load of mysogynist crap. From what I read about the origins of the movement, it started as a support group but then those terminally single for some reason or another were the only ones left. They really aren't the best people to be giving teenagers psychotic relationship 'advice'.
Then why make the comment in the first place? Why state that we have to see idolizers as victims aswell? They aren't. They are just gullible and susceptible to believe the kind of theory Rodgers tried to manifest towards the outside world.*
And his kind of theory is disturbing, to say the least.
That is the whole thing of the Incel movement, you know? People idolizing someone like Rodger.
They are only victims in the sense that they buy into that nonsense and idolize his actions. Whilst there is a case to argue for males not being active socially or romantically (In Japan it even has its own term) and there are people out there who are more selective in their relationships/dating, this is not that discussion.
Apologies if it's already been posted in here (its a very long thread). This lovely chap, standing for congress in Virginia is/was very much part of the whole Incel thing (and clearly had far more shocking and deeper ...er.. "tastes") and used to run a couple of related, very dubious, message board sites.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/se...u-s-congressional-candidate-in-virginia.46140
https://www.resetera.com/threads/se...u-s-congressional-candidate-in-virginia.46140
One of the issues with real ids is that the world is more dangerous to sidelined people than it is to most racists. If you force everyone to use real ID it's gonna give racists and transphobes a better target list more easily than it'll force consequences on racists.
The incel movement as a unit aren't just people who can't get laid, they're people who can't get laid and have convinced themselves it's literally everyone else's fault and violent retribution is what the world needs "to fix the imbalance created by feminism". That's why you keep hearing about them killing people who turned them down, because they love this shit.
Two women married this asshole, and one had a kid with him.
See, incels? Proof that women don't only go for the highest value men lol.
I've been on the anti-internet anonymity train for at least a decade.
Leading the charge with my avatar.
The fact that you have to basically log in to participate virtually anywhere is one step, but the industry went in the way protecting identity theft rather than holding people accountable for their ****ery.
A large barrier for anti-internet anonymity is that pornography is a billion dollar industry, and nobody wants to be outed for their "step mother; step daughter (in the case of Morgan Freeman, step grand daughter" fantasies ("kink-shaming" they call it). Protection for porn consumers is wayyyy down the list as to why I'm anti-porn, (human trafficking is #1-3), but that's for another thread.
Victims of being virgins?
These are awful people incapable of seeing that the reason they are virgins is because they're awful people.
It's pretty easy to see sympathy for incels, it's why the group is pretty dangerous and has been able to recruit young men to their movement very quickly. Everyone has battles with being sexually frustrated, and dealing with intamacy issues.
The majority of incels are lost causes, I know that first hand. What we should be focusing on is how to stop young men from becoming this radicalized especially in the pure view of nerdy hobbies such as gaming, comics, and anime.
The majority of incels are lost causes, I know that first hand. What we should be focusing on is how to stop young men from becoming this radicalized especially in the pure view of nerdy hobbies such as gaming, comics, and anime.
The group is actually pretty diverse. It's mostly white, but there are alot of Asian, Indian, and black incels. Honestly one of the bigger issues with the group is how the reporting of the group only focuses on them as being bunch of angry white weebs and completely ignores how much long term is damaging as they're world view is adopted by PoC, in western counties:
Well yeah, the whole incel movement is about taking choice away from women. We don't want to have sex with them for whatever reason we don't want to, so they want a society where we don't have that choice any more.
Who needs self-reflection and self-improvement when you can just daydream about turning all women into sex slaves?
We're starting to have both unfortunately. I know some hoteps, but I've noticed alot of black guys into more nerdy hobbies falling for MRA, redpilled, incel shit. Mostly the ones hardcore into the more Japanese weeb side of need stuff.
Been looking through that is incel site and this doesn't seem to be true.
Plenty of other skin types invested, even if it may be majority white.
I think a massive overhaul of offering mental/emotional support to kids & teenagers would do wonders in helping prevent groups like this. Toxic masculinity bred this level of hatred, the same toxic masculinity is heavily combated by showing people at a young age that sex and appearance are in no way a defining feature of your life like it is for these fuckers.
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Yes I've been saying this for years. People need to be able to be held responsible for their actions whether it be online or real life. Period the end.
Holy shit. The audacity of that girl, to have a boyfriend!
These people are off the rails
I'm way more concerned that he thought she owed him anything for helping her with her homework, assuming it was even anywhere near as one-sided as they're making it sound.
What, you help a woman out with her homework and suddenly she's meant to date you? This is like people who think "going Dutch" is the guy paying for everything and the woman having sex with them later.
What is it with men expecting sex whenever they do something?
Mentalcel is someone (by their own admission) who's a virgin because of extreme mental health problems. I guess they're the most self aware within their movement
It's interesting because incels typically do not vibe with prostitution or paying for sex yet that seems to almost be the parallel to what this guy was expecting.
It's probably because incels have other mental constructs or ideas about what's owed or entitled to them. Toxic masculine superiority. Whatever it is, shit is fucked
but but but movies and TV told me that's how it's supposed to work!
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