To be fair can you name many network shows (even cable) or big movies with the main protagonist being a member of the LGBT?
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This is the state of diversity in 2019 gaming (Every AAA protagonist’s image, and why diversity matters)
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I actually think days gone looks good, but they definitely could have made the main character PoC. Black, hispanic, asian, etc.
A big part of why I'm not that interested in it is it's white male biker protagonist, which seems like the most boring combination of attributes the developer could have chosen.
You can't just create new characters on a whim. It's not inherently insulting for writers or developers to change a character, I don't see how you came to that conclusion at all
Honestly? It's an improvement over previous years. At least we're actually really starting to see some women on the cover as protagonists.
Considering how inherently misogynistic this industry is and how much it has struggled to shake that off? That alone is a big accomplishment for it.
Better representation for POC will no doubt come in time.
TLOU2 stars a lesbian woman.
Considering how inherently misogynistic this industry is and how much it has struggled to shake that off? That alone is a big accomplishment for it.
Better representation for POC will no doubt come in time.
TLOU2 stars a lesbian woman.
Lol, no he isn't :p you gotta see they're different right?I think, when I type it in on Google that image popped up
Here's a better one
Naw that's Cesar Vialpando.
Wikipedia claims this is CJ
But IDK. I don't think he ever sports the top button only style.
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Nah that's CJ. (the guy in the art you posted)Naw that's Cesar Vialpando.
Wikipedia claims this is CJ
But I have my doubts about that too. He has the top button only look you see on the hispanic gangs in the game like the Vagos. I think it's more likely there's just no art of CJ in that style.
Same starter hair, same facial hair and he looks really close. I forgot if CJ could wear these shirts or not but everything else fits.
I think you're right. That is him in every other way.
EDIT: In other ways I'm wrong about things, I can't actually find any images of the Vagos or VLA doing that style either.
Are there any stats on how games with POC leads do $$ wise vs games with white leads? I know in movies there have recently been stats that say women in blockbusters earn more than men although I'm not sure how stuff like Infinite War translate, would Gamora be considered a lead or just Thanos, Iron Man and Thor?
I know there have been stats in the past on when games offer the users a choice on who to play, an overwhelming number of people tend to pick male (Mass Effect, Dragons Age) although I would be curious to hear how the stats line up in Assassins Creed Odyssey or Fortnite.
I know there have been stats in the past on when games offer the users a choice on who to play, an overwhelming number of people tend to pick male (Mass Effect, Dragons Age) although I would be curious to hear how the stats line up in Assassins Creed Odyssey or Fortnite.
Can I just come in here to say I really wish we were playing as these girls.My favorite cover of 2019 so far:
They look badass! Why do they have to be the bad guys?
They really need to bring back Sheva.
Why the fuck did they only have her in one game?
The Far Cry bad guys are always scenery chewing scene stealing stars with way more interesting shit goin on than the protags.
They're outrageous in a way that might not be super tolerable as player characters.
Far Cry 4 came the closest we would get before customizable avatars to a cool PC, Ajay Ghale.
But he still a kinda dull plucky do-gooder. I think that's part of what makes the villains work so well, though. They get your mundane character as a foil so they can hog all that lime light. Plus, Far Cry is an FPS series. If we were playing as the most visually and theatrically interesting characters, we'd never get to see them ham it up.
FOOTNOTE: I haven't played FC5 so I can only assume Joseph Seed continues the trend.
I didn't really count Sheva as the main protag since that was more Chris, but yeah i dunno what happened to her, or Jill. Would like to see those RE characters back.
Can we get some love for the best black protagonist ever to be created ?
Carl "CJ" Johnson
Lmfao goddamn
Sheva was on the cover of RE5 so she definitely counts within the context of this thread:
True, i don't know if Capcom will go back to co-op though, probably just 1 protag now.
The theory of a Mediterranean race is long dead and as has been said, was a way of contrasting northern and southern Europeans.
The only group here that's ethnically close to Greeks is southern Italians. I wouldn't feel any more represented playing a Syrian than I would a Scandinavian.
Elle from last of us, the guy from mafia 3, several assassins creed leads, ghosts of tsushima, and watch dogs 2 come to mind right away. Going back a little further there was also sleeping dogs and uncharted lost legacy.
Wasn't talking about race.
Diversity is about different cultures and groups being represented.
I don't think the OP is complaining about any of the characters, just compiling a list of all AAA games they think are coming this year. No one is suggesting changing Leon's race.
I still don't understand why AAA devs hate Afrocentric hairstyles so much.
Then again, I still don't understand why character creator systems hate Afrocentric hairstyles either.
Then again, I still don't understand why character creator systems hate Afrocentric hairstyles either.
This.
Plus what's the problem if the character is either male or female as long as we get a really good story with good characters.
I think that OP seems like relatively good representation in terms of gender, there's also at least one homosexual character in there (Ellie from TLoU) and throw in the protagonist from Crackdown and you have a black guy in the line-up. Admittedly representation for black people is underwhelming and the likes of Central/South American, Indian or African is pretty much nonexistent as per usual, but we've only really started getting solid representation for women in the last gen or so, so hopefully in a few years things will be looking better for minority protagonists in games as well.
Its the first time i ever heared of but it looks a lot like the Dutch word 'zwartje' and that really is an offensive and racist slur for people of color.
Crackdown 3 doesn't have a set protagonist like the other games. You choose between a pool of readily-available agents.
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Crackdown 3 doesn't have a set protagonist like the others games. You choose between a pool of readily-available agents.
Oh, okay. I assumed it was a set character to be voiced by Terry Crews.
I can count the number of times I've played as a black woman in video games on one hand. It seems far and away the most lacking perspective and representation iright now and I don't see much sign of that changing.
It stands out even more with how many great films last year had no problem putting those women front and center.
It stands out even more with how many great films last year had no problem putting those women front and center.
About cultures representation... do we count religion as a culture? If we do. Do we need more focus on that as well? Some poster earlier posted that we need more muslim heroes and i can see why he/she would post that.
I know right? Why does gaming have to hate on our black women?
Like I said earlier, they need more representation, starting with Sheva in Resident Evil 8.
Are there races? Seriously..if you imply that in my country ..you're racist..Just want to know differences
Are they confirmed to be the villains? I don't know anything about the new Far Cry, but I'm thinking there's an emphasis on co-op like the upcoming Wolfenstein.
Also, has anyone mentioned Beyond Good and Evil 2?
OP:
You are missing on a bunch of stuff:
Luigi is a good example, he is black after all.
I know, im just pointing out there is a lot of sequels & remakes in there. Sora & Leon are old characters, though that's another issue with the lack of diversity in the industry, too many sequels & remakes shut down anything new, of course im just as guilty since im gonna buy em.
At least with KH3 closing out the Xehanort saga there's a chance whatever KH does next has a whole new protagonist, hopefully a new female character (Aqua is great but I'm expecting a prequel or a timeskip)
It better be a sequel lol, KH timeline is too confusing with the multiple prequels.
Might as well give my two cents. Personally I want to see some more black representation from companies other than Nintendo. I think both western and eastern devs can include black protagonists here and there, oh and give me some Turkish representation while they are at it.
Mexicans in contrast to other countries have no reason for diversity-begging, since, to me as a German, they're already represented fairly well in pop-culture: Speedy Gonzales, Zorro, Machete, Desperados, etc. Just to get the facts right: Germany is the 4th/5th biggest gaming market and has zero representation in pop-culture. Thank you Adolf, I guess.
How about a German protagonist who isn't a WWII Nazi, or an Albanian, Croatian, Swiss, Indian, Nigerian, Dutch protagonist?
Some people who are fighting for diversity completely overlook the fact that white people don't necessarily identify with other white people the way you assume - they're staying in their "The USA are the centre of the world"-bubble and this applies to Americans with all backgrounds.
If you're giving me a black protagonist who is supposed to be an American - that's not diversity for someone coming from Europe, because black people from America already had waaay more influence on pop-culture in countries outside the US than most indigenous artists. For example: Germany has had a handful of good comedians, but compared to what've gotten from the US over the years: Richard Pryer, Bill Cosby, Eddy Murphy, Chapelle, Chris Rock, etc. no competition.
Let's turn this around - can you guys name a well-known German outside of Adolf Hitler, maybe Angela Merkel and Heidi Klum? (many Germans would love to see her associated with another country tho).
Some combination of black people not being conditioned to expect (nor demand) representation in such a manner, and publishers figuring that an attractive white female protagonist is ultimately still white and thusly relatable (or desirable) to the white target audience.
I never really like these threads that seem to put select high budget games on a pedestal as if they're the only games that exist or matter, it'd be interesting to do some sort of analysis on the two or three hundred games that receive votes on era's game of the year for some sort of broader conclusion on diversity in protagonists as I think it's much more important to support and highlight games which are currently embracing diversity rather than allowing the ones that aren't to define gaming simply because of budgets.