I thought they were the antagonists of the game I saw the trailer. If they're confirmed as the protagonists, that's great news...
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This is the state of diversity in 2019 gaming (Every AAA protagonist’s image, and why diversity matters)
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Also, and I'm sorry if someone finds this offensive, but I would LOVE to see more dark-skinned female leads in ALOT of things...
I can't stand it when content creators opt to go with literally the most racially ambiguous black woman they can think up just so they can "check the block" on black women leads, as if there's some kind of safety range on melanin...
I can't stand it when content creators opt to go with literally the most racially ambiguous black woman they can think up just so they can "check the block" on black women leads, as if there's some kind of safety range on melanin...
I'm a bit unsure at times what we as gamers want.
I never look at things like why is this a boy or a girl or it's a different color of the rainbow.
Are we complaining, because we have not much to do or are we complaining because we have internet access so our voices can be heard by anyone?
In the beginning days we where complaining about the fact that characters had no faces. Then we discussed why there where not much female protagonist in games.
Now we're complaining about the lack of diversity in characters.
After that will we discuss why the character can't have multiple sex changes and have multiple weddings, divorces and so on.
I think this discussion will never end, because when one subject is done another subject will come.
We should be happy that things are changing in the movie and gaming world. You can't get something immediately when it's not done or is taking some time to make. So relax everybody.
I never look at things like why is this a boy or a girl or it's a different color of the rainbow.
Are we complaining, because we have not much to do or are we complaining because we have internet access so our voices can be heard by anyone?
In the beginning days we where complaining about the fact that characters had no faces. Then we discussed why there where not much female protagonist in games.
Now we're complaining about the lack of diversity in characters.
After that will we discuss why the character can't have multiple sex changes and have multiple weddings, divorces and so on.
I think this discussion will never end, because when one subject is done another subject will come.
We should be happy that things are changing in the movie and gaming world. You can't get something immediately when it's not done or is taking some time to make. So relax everybody.
Ah, a challenge. Ok, off the top of my head: Michael Fassbender, Christoph Waltz, Sebastian Vettel, Michael Schumacher, Hans Zimmer.
I could name more if they don't need to be, you know, still alive: Handel, Liszt, Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Strauss, Wagner, Schumann, Mendelsohn, Einstein, Planck, Gutenberg, Kant, Heisenberg, Marx, Martin Luther, Von Bismarck, Wilhelm II. I may or may not be into classical music.
Also, wasn't Hitler Austrian?
Reason why I think diversity matters is because games have the ability of putting you in the shoes of someone you aren't in real life, and seeing how they view the world and how it views them.
Many games explored the worlds of white men, but I'd love to see more of the worlds of others.
Many games explored the worlds of white men, but I'd love to see more of the worlds of others.
huh? not implying anything.. but for me the use of the word race with humans its racism.
So if we're dissatisfied with something, shut up, because this thing that clearly isn't important to you personally could possibly just be due to us having too much time on our hands and an internet connection? Also, we should be grateful that we got the LITTLE that we DID get?...
If thats what you make out of my post then keep thinking like that.
Good job, but Michael Fassbender is actually Irish as far as I know and Christoph Waltz is definitely Austrian. Einstein didn't have a clear nationality, he spent more time in other countries than in Germany and I don't think that a Jewish person escaping from NAZI-Germany would consider himself a German. Liszt was Hungarian.
Hitler was born in Austria, yes, but he obtained a German passport, spent most of his life-time in Germany and he's deeply connected to German history. I mean Austria can claim him if they want...but I'm not sure why they would do this. Austria gave us Hitler and Moneyboy...it's time to pay them back.
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Like I'm looking forwards to a game coming out this year called "Get In The Car, Loser" and it definitely embraces having a diverse cast.
You don't create your own character in Odyssey. You chose their gender. That's it. They have a very distinctive personality.
Group pic has a nice Shadowrun vibe to it.Are they confirmed to be the villains? I don't know anything about the new Far Cry, but I'm thinking there's an emphasis on co-op like the upcoming Wolfenstein.
Also, has anyone mentioned Beyond Good and Evil 2?
You literally asked if we're just complaining because we're bored and then went on to say we should just be happy things are changing at all...
And then told us to relax...
Please explain to me the correct thing to "get" out of that post...
Drat, mistakes were made. Tho I'm pretty sure Fassbender's father was German and he was born in Germany too. The rest, fair enough.
Would buy and play the shit outta this.
Great that he's black, but less so that he's a big fat walking, talking stereotype.... barely a character at all.
I definitely think female and gay representation has gotten much better in the last 5 years or so. There's definitely room for improvement of Black/Asian/Hispanic characters though.
(Love and) Respect for the Box Peek avatar!
The one on the right, oh my...
(Love and) Respect for the Box Peek avatar!
Things change because people wish and strive for it. Producers change their contents because consumers make their voice heard, among other things. That's basically what all of these are.
People will continuously want things to be better. I don't think that's weird in any way. I do, however, find your framing of wishes for better representation as "what crazy things will they think up next?" pretty weird.
Also looking more closely at the background for these characters.
Resident Evil 2: Both US
Metro Exodus: Russian
Sekiro: Japanese
Gears of War: Presumably Hispanic American, voiced by US white woman.
Days Gone: US
Devil May Cry: Kamiya has stated Dante being "british man" to be a key point of the design. As Nero is related to Dante, he's also assumedly Brit. Both voiced by Americans. Somebody more familiar with the franchise and characters can correct me on this though, I'm no expert. And I don't know about V either.
Kingdom Hearts: I don't know if the game references real world at all, but I would assume Sora being Japanese if so. Or their nationality is fictional, again someone who is familiar with the games can clarify this.
The Last of Us: US
Wolfenstein: Their parents are Polish and Jewish-Polish-American.
Control: Presumably US, as she's also voiced by American. And holy shit, had no idea the actor is from the soap opera Bold & Beautiful, got a chuckle out of that.
Ghost of Tsushima: Japanese
So yeah, also in this sense more diversity would be welcomed. A lot of AAA gaming specifically revolves around the US. World is bigger than the US.
Resident Evil 2: Both US
Metro Exodus: Russian
Sekiro: Japanese
Gears of War: Presumably Hispanic American, voiced by US white woman.
Days Gone: US
Devil May Cry: Kamiya has stated Dante being "british man" to be a key point of the design. As Nero is related to Dante, he's also assumedly Brit. Both voiced by Americans. Somebody more familiar with the franchise and characters can correct me on this though, I'm no expert. And I don't know about V either.
Kingdom Hearts: I don't know if the game references real world at all, but I would assume Sora being Japanese if so. Or their nationality is fictional, again someone who is familiar with the games can clarify this.
The Last of Us: US
Wolfenstein: Their parents are Polish and Jewish-Polish-American.
Control: Presumably US, as she's also voiced by American. And holy shit, had no idea the actor is from the soap opera Bold & Beautiful, got a chuckle out of that.
Ghost of Tsushima: Japanese
So yeah, also in this sense more diversity would be welcomed. A lot of AAA gaming specifically revolves around the US. World is bigger than the US.
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That's correct, but he has grown up and lived in Ireland most of his life and I would bet that he thinks in "Irish", which are stronger arguments for his nationality imo. If family background/ genes or being born in Germany makes someone German, Germany could claim half of Hollywood and I wouldn't even count as a German.
Out of curiosity, what issues in video games do you consider worth discussing? If we applied your concerns to all video game issues it would mean we shouldn't discuss anything at all.
Diversity in games is one of many important topics and we should talk about it and push for progress just like we do with the others.
If you'd kept reading you'd have seen I already corrected myself.
What? They have so many. Look at Smash.
I get choice paralysis when having to pick between the various options.
Neither Crackdown 3 not Far Cry have a defined protagonist - it's just a player avatar you choose from many different appearances when you start the game.
I'm not....and I'm not the only one who is wondering what the OP is implying.
Plus why would I be defensive? I'm Malay, and no I'm not from Malaysia, so I know way better than most people in this forum what it's like to be a minority among minorities.
Diversity is a good thing as long as it isn't shoehorned to fit an agenda or to please the ones who are actually easily offended.
I'm still not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. But Nintendo doesn't have a whole lot of black protagonists. They do have some black characters sure, but this thread is specifically about protagonists.
Yeah absolutely agreed with this one. There's more to gaming than AAA. Smaller games deserve acknowledgmenet, especially if they are doing right by diversity and representation. More people should be aware of these games and give them a chance. Let's not be dismissive of them.
You cant play as the women in farcry? The trailer was confusing but i thought it was some sort of anti hero plot or something
Dante and Nero are "European". That's about all we know. V is a mystery, but he's probably the same.
Great to see more women appearing as lead characters. But the lack of dark skin tones is striking (not just this year but in basically the entire history of games). I am guessing it's due to some execs saying it won't sell as many copies, but someone has to be the first to take a chance and do it.
Crackdown 3 does feature a black man in marketing but I'm not sure if that's an actual character or a create-a-character.
Crackdown 3 does feature a black man in marketing but I'm not sure if that's an actual character or a create-a-character.
I thought he was from Medici?
I don't know if it was actually said in 3 but that was the impression I got.
For games that have character creation, framing your marketing around any minorities definitely counts for something too. It's not like there hasn't been lack of diversity also in advertisement. And giving the player options to create a character they can identify with, isn't a strike against the game. The character creator can be lacking though, like has happened many times with low selection of different skin tones and especially black hairstyles.
Tried to find info about it, I also think the women in the trailer are supposed to be the antagonists. Was bit surprised that when trying to look info about this, the first link was a complaint of Far Cry 5 having too much black people in it. I get the criticism for lack of Native Americans. But honestly didn't expect "too much black people" to be a problem. https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/paxwzg/wait-why-are-there-so-many-black-people-in-far-cry-5
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Why is it a bad thing when it's "shoehorned to fit an agenda" or "please the ones who are easily offended"?
I assume you're Dutch bread. So name me please one Dutch character who is the main character in a Triple A game.
I'm 30 and have never seen a Azerbaycani protagonist in games.
Why do I not hear you talk about the fact that
Because some people like me are in minority we never discuss for example. (I'm Turkish and Dutch)
Why do aliens in games never attack Turkey?
Why is there no Turkish main protagonist in Triple A game?
Why are Turks mostly the bad guys in games.
Why is there no Triple A game with a Turkish city (Please don't come up with Driv3r)
Why do we have no Turkish anti-terrorist squad in Rainbow?
Everybody here has their opinion and want to discuss stuff. I could make a thread about these subjects, but the chance that it might bother someone is not that big I think as we don't have much Turkish people on here.
Oh for sure, it's definitely a nice thing to see. I think it's not to the same level as a committed character though. I'd like for more AAA games to feature a black "real" character that audiences have to commit to for a full story.
Has Nintendo ever had a game where you have to play as a black protagonist? I can't think of one.
Don't think so. Relegated to non-important side characters at best. They've had some racist stereotypes though.
Because some people like me are in minority we never discuss for example. (I'm Turkish and Dutch)
Why do aliens in games never attack Turkey?
Why is there no Turkish main protagonist in Triple A game?
Why are Turks mostly the bad guys in games.
Why is there no Triple A game with a Turkish city (Please don't come up with Driv3r)
Why do we have no Turkish anti-terrorist squad in Rainbow?
Everybody here has their opinion and want to discuss stuff. I could make a thread about these subjects, but the chance that it might bother someone is not that big I think as we don't have much Turkish people on here.[/QUOTE]
I think those are points worth discussing and you are more than welcome to do so.
I certainly don't think that people would only ask those questions if they had nothing better to do or it would that in the future they are going to demand games where Dutch and Turkish people get married and divorced.
Why do aliens in games never attack Turkey?
Why is there no Turkish main protagonist in Triple A game?
Why are Turks mostly the bad guys in games.
Why is there no Triple A game with a Turkish city (Please don't come up with Driv3r)
Why do we have no Turkish anti-terrorist squad in Rainbow?
Everybody here has their opinion and want to discuss stuff. I could make a thread about these subjects, but the chance that it might bother someone is not that big I think as we don't have much Turkish people on here.[/QUOTE]
I think those are points worth discussing and you are more than welcome to do so.
I certainly don't think that people would only ask those questions if they had nothing better to do or it would that in the future they are going to demand games where Dutch and Turkish people get married and divorced.
I'm going back to Quiet Man. Success with the discussions.
Why don't you make a thread about why are 99,8% of all terrorists in games muslims and 85% of them come from the middle east.
You won't make one, because it's not your cup of tea.
Because we don't have any thats why so what I mean the whole time we can discuss about anything.
Also Dutch is not the main character SugarBread.
Why don't you make a thread about why are 99,8% of all terrorists in games muslims and 85% of them come from the middle east.
You won't make one, because it's not your cup of tea.
Because we don't have any thats why so what I mean the whole time we can discuss about anything.
Also Dutch is not the main character SugarBread.
I think those are points worth discussing and you are more than welcome to do so.
I certainly don't think that people would only ask those questions if they had nothing better to do or it would that in the future they are going to demand games where Dutch and Turkish people get married and divorced.