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lint2015

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Oct 27, 2017
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Until people start to lose their lives in developed countries, nothing meaningful will happen. Things burning is just a "meh" to most people.
Australia is a pretty developed country and people have already died in these fires.

When asked whether they thought climate change could've contributed to it, the climate denying prime minister ignored the question while the state premier said it wasn't appropriate to discuss it at this time. Same tactic the worms in the US use whenever a mass shooting happens.

So we're getting thoughts and prayers in lieu of meaningful action on climate change.
 

Mulciber

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Aug 22, 2018
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Until people start to lose their lives in developed countries, nothing meaningful will happen. Things burning is just a "meh" to most people.
I was staying in a hotel the other day, and Fox News was on in the lobby. The segment that was on was a few people mocking the concept of "climate change refugees" as an "insane" "totally crazy" term made up by "lunatics like Pelosi"

The segment was so disgusting that I felt nauseous.
 

Kilic95

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Air pollution is a scary thing, look at what is happening in India. I imagine the same thing will kill most people in the west inevitably.

Obviously its worse in the east currently.
 
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Umbrella Carp

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Just to put this in a little bit of context, Australia has not seen fire conditions this severe since immediately before Black Saturday in 2009, a bushfire catastrophe that killed 173 people, the deadliest natural disaster in the countries history.

This is not a game.
 

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fires are getting much worse in recent years worldwide thing are not looking good, if we are at the start of climate change we are fucked
 

prophetvx

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Nov 28, 2017
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Until people start to lose their lives in developed countries, nothing meaningful will happen. Things burning is just a "meh" to most people.
~50 people died in the Ash Wednesday fires in 1983
4 people died in the 1994 fires in NSW
~170 people died in the Black Saturday fires in 2009.

I can assure you bushfires are not "meh" to most Australians.
 

Lunchbox-

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Until people start to lose their lives in developed countries, nothing meaningful will happen. Things burning is just a "meh" to most people.
elementary school children were shot dead in the most financially and educationally developed region of the United States

- Nothing was done about gun control
- We have groups that fucking deny that it happened......this happened in 2012 with wide-scale media coverage



So yeah, fuck all will be done about this regardless
 

Psittacus

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Oct 27, 2017
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The fires are still burning, and the government is still blaming everyone but themselves


Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack has slammed the climate change concerns of "raving inner city lunatics" at a time when rural Australians are dealing with catastrophic bushfires, venting his frustration at questions about climate.

"We've had fires in Australia since time began, and what people need now is a little bit of sympathy, understanding and real assistance - they need help, they need shelter," the Nationals leader told ABC Radio National on Monday after a series of questions about climate change.


Benjamin Huie, 57, also joined the protest after evacuating his family home in Great Mackerel Beach, which borders Ku- Ring-Gai Chase National Park in Sydney's northern fringe.

Mr Huie said there has never been a better time to talk about climate change.

"We do understand that these bushfires aren't caused by climate change, but they are encouraged by climate change, the changing climate creates better conditions for these things to exist and when you have a day like today, on top of everything – it is out of hand," he said.

A traditionally conservative voter, Mr Huie said those gathered at the protest were closer to his political outlook than his party.

"A conservative would want to be sure, would want to be safe, and would want to take action before it happens so you're not just lying back and going, 'oh, here it all comes'," he said.

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has hit back at questions linking fires raging around the state to climate change, insisting now was not the time to discuss the issue – a sentiment Mr Crowe dismissed.

"When's the time to talk about climate change then, if I'm standing in the wreckage of my own house," he said while speaking to reporters.

"We had ample time to prepare and they're talking about hopes and dreams, thoughts and prayers, miracles and heroes – it's not realistic."


Mullins said he and 23 other fire and emergency chiefs had been trying to have a meeting with the prime minister, Scott Morrison, since April because they "knew that a bushfire crisis was coming".

Instead, he said current fire chiefs had been locked out of discussions and were "not allowed" to mention climate change.
 

Famassu

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Oct 27, 2017
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Until people start to lose their lives in developed countries, nothing meaningful will happen. Things burning is just a "meh" to most people.
But... people ARE dying in developed countries. We (might) have somewhat better infrastructures, warning systems, readiness for emergencies etc. on average, but more frequent & severe flash floods, forest fires, hurricanes and such are still killing or otherwise majorly disrupting tons of people's lives.
 

dabig2

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Oct 29, 2017
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fires are getting much worse in recent years worldwide thing are not looking good, if we are at the start of climate change we are fucked

We're def not at the start of climate change (if you're under 35, you've never experienced a month on this planet where its avg temperature was below average), but we're certainly on the verge of seeing some tipping points get demolished. And we're probably just now starting to feel the cumulative emissions of our carbon from the mid 2000s...


But... people ARE dying in developed countries. We (might) have somewhat better infrastructures, warning systems, readiness for emergencies etc. on average, but more frequent & severe flash floods, forest fires, hurricanes and such are still killing or otherwise majorly disrupting tons of people's lives.

Agreed.

www.theguardian.com

Climate crisis already causing deaths and childhood stunting, report reveals

‘Insidious’ health-related impacts in Australia and Pacific include lowered cognitive capacity and spread of diseases
The report, From Townsville to Tuvalu, produced by Monash University in Melbourne, pulled together scientific research from roughly 120 peer-reviewed journal articles to paint a picture of the health-related impacts of the climate emergency in Australia and the Pacific region.

It pointed to a 2018 report from the World Health Organisation, which predicted that between 2030 and 2050, global warming would cause an additional 250,000 deaths per year from heat stress, malnutrition, malaria and diarrhoea. But Misha Coleman, one of the report's authors, stressed that deaths were already occurring.

"There are absolutely people dying climate-related deaths, [especially due to] heat stress right now," she said.

"During the Black Saturday fires [in Victoria in 2009] for example, we know that people were directly killed by the fires, but there were nearly 400 additional deaths in those hot days from heat stress and heatstroke," said Coleman.
The report found that as well as deaths caused directly by severe weather events such as hurricanes, flooding and fires, the "more deep and insidious impact" came from the secondary impacts of climate change.

"Severe weather events are causing flooding, particularly in informal settlements in the Pacific, that leads to diseases including diarrhoea, that can be very serious and fatal in people, particularly children," said John Thwaites, chair of the Sustainable Development Institute at Monash University.

The report warned that rising global temperatures would expand the habitat of mosquitos, exposing more people to diseases including dengue, chikungunya and zika, and would cause other diseases to spread into Australia, including Nipah virus, which is spread by bats, and Q fever, which is already prevalent around Townsville.

"Q fever is something that is carried by a lot of wild and domesticated animals," said Coleman. "As climate change degrades their habitat through fires and drought, these animals go looking for green grass and fresh water [and] they find themselves on golf courses and on retirees' two-acre blocks."

There's no shortage of ways we are dying and will continue to die thanks to the climate catastrophe's impact on our biosphere.
 

Keasar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Venice earlier asked for national aid due to a flooding that's been called the worst in 50 years, which the mayor says is a consequence of global warming as well.
 

Pomerlaw

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Feb 25, 2018
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I don't put most of my hopes in the people in power right now. They must go / die for things to really change.

Put your hopes in the young. Help them, support them. Their time is coming, and heads are going to roll sooner or later.