No to any of this.
But there´s a difference between cis people posting in this thread and cis people posting stupid, unscientific stuff that punches down on one of the most vulerable and marginalised groups in the world.
No.
As another poster said, transphobes see trans women as men and trans men as women. They are not concerned with "women" who choose to compete in men´s competition because "women" pose no threat to men´s sport by and large. Men would pose a large threat to women´s sport, hence why we have separated competition still. But
trans women are not men. And trans women who have been on HRT regimens for long enough (not even that long), lose any advantage over other women.
So no, it´s not proof. Try again.
Oh good... I can´t wait to read these. Let´s see...
I have annoated your links to describe what they are, because your unfiltered web URLs are awkward to read.
So, a woman, who was already a power lifter prior to transition (and therefore obviously knows her stuff), is good at weight lifting.
What a shock.
And what is she doing with her years of knowledge and skills combined with her "trans advantage"? Setting records ...
for Oceanic weightlifting.
Incredible. She has truly blown the world of women´s weight lifting off its hinges by setting a record in a small continent representing a tiny sample of world´s women´s weightlifting. She will, as the article muses, no doubt go far in the Olympics and blow away all the competiti--
Oh, it seems like she is not going to be able to make it to the Olympics, having failed to succeed during the Austrailian Open, beaten by a cis woman. Her only hope of qualifying for the Olympics (which still after SIXTEEN YEARS will be a revolution for trans athletes) relies on her beating her local rival in the Oceanian Championships next month.
I have not a lot to say about this. Rachel McKinnon is very good at cycling in her age group. Congrats to her on ruining women´s sports, all by herself, I guess.
The people listed in said article as attributing her success in this super niche area to her trans status are very revealing. More on them later, I promise.
The notes in my link are pretty damning enough for the inclusion of this link as evidence of trans women dominating sport, but two important quotes from the end of the article is as follows:
What the...? One hundred and fifty trans athletes in NCAA sports and only two of note. But I thought they were supposed to be ruining women´s sports?
Also, I looked up the website of Alliance Defending Freedom, the Christian bigotry organisation filing the case against the trans athlete who was then beaten by one of the cis claimants. Their website literally calls trans women "males" and "men". But sure, they are just concerned aout the fairness of women´s sports and not transphobic bigots.
Did you even pretend to read this article? It´s primarily about how HRT has reduced CeCé Teller´s sporting performance and how she wasn´t expected to do that well because she couldn´t beat her cis rivals post HRT, until she started to beat some of them some of the time. It´s also largely about the transphobic abuse she has had to endure since she started winning. Shouldn´t we on this side of the "argument" (it´s not much of an argument because the scientific consensus is well behind us, not you) be posting this article in support of our stance? Well, thanks for it, I guess.
Keeping things close to the topic of Trump, the article has a tweet from him in which he criticises CeCé. I find it amusing that you not only brought an article that doesn´t line up with your hypothesis in as evidence of trans advantage, but it´s one in which Trump is a voice championing the view you´re stanning for. You know, Trump, nephew of Dr John Trump. Tremendous scientist. Very smart.
You should be ashamed for using this website, which is literally banned from Resetera due to its bigotry.
Seriously, poor show.
So there we go. Your evidence has been either ranting about a threat to women´s sport which never even manifested, a laundry list of British TERFs accusing McKinnon of cheating, an article which concludes that trans women don´t have an advantage, a heart breaking story about abuse faced by a trans athlete, or analysis by one of the UK´s top bigots and TERFs.
Not a great case, buddy.
You realise there´s like six trans women athletes named in these articles that
you posted in support of the notion that trans women are... let´s be honest, you´re aligning with calling them cheats at best and men at worst. Rachel McKinnon, Laurel Hubbard, CeCé Teller, Terry Miller, June Eastwood, and Andraya Yearwood. And one of these articles says there are 150 to 200 trans athletes in the NCAA alone (which obvious Rachel McKinnon, a Canadian women, and Laurel Hubbard, a New Zealand weight lifter are not part of).
So, according to your own piece of evidence, only - at most - 1.3% of the trans athletes in the NCAA are "ruining" women´s sports, and the article doesn´t even conclude that they are. Okay. We must try harder to ruin women´s sports, fellow trans women. We are letting the team down with this paltry success rate.
Ah, yes. I happen to have originated on TERF Island so I was very familiar with the newspapers and the BBC parotting their talking points or giving them uncontested airtime to state their case. Three of the biggest ones were Martina Navratilova, Sharron Davies, and Paula Radcliffe. Remember that I said earlier that I would come back to them?
Let´s look at some of their points. I am sure you are right that they are not transphobes and just concerned with women´s sport.
Oh, a completely ludicrous scenario in which a man decides to undergo transgender treatment, giving himself gender dysphoria in order to try to win sports using the mythic transgender advantage. This is a TERF conspiracy theory used in everything from toilet access to prison housing. The old "wolf in sheep´s clothing" bullshit.
Well, I am sure the next one is better.
Oh, being transgender is a choice is it? Uh-huh.
What the fuck is this even aiming for?
Let´s try again.
Paula Radcliffe says Rachel McKinnon doesn´t even take HRT, that "proper science" is on the side of the transphobes, and that being transgender is a choice. (hear Radio 4 interview contained within).
Erm... Oh yeah. I remember that one. It was really fun listening to that on the way to work. Being told that I made a choice to be trans, and should accept all the consequences of that life choice was fantastic.
Good thing you´re not posting this in a thread in which numerous trans women have also stated their support for hormonal checks
and highlighted the ways in which such checks are already in place. Because it would be embarassing to do that.
Jesus Christ...
Not this again...
You literally brought the words of a transphobe from a transphobic publication in as part of our evidence against trans women athletes, but okay... Sure, you´re 100% behind us.
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You literally posted one article from a transphobic publication in which a right-wing reactionary and transphobe had a transphobic rant, as evidence that there was a valid discussion to be had about trans women in sport. If you´re the moderate side of the anti´-trans women in sports discussion then wow. You couldn´t go one post in this discussion without emloying the transphobic musings of Piers Morgan in defence of your position.
Whilst writing this post for over an hour on a bad laptop, I have since been informed that you have been banned.
Oh well.
P.S. If any of you found the cute dog gif embedded in this post then you are a bad person!