Well said, " games journalism" over this whole situation has been embarrassing. Sadly not a shock though, it's obvious the industry cares more about staying in the goodness graces of publishers
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THQ Nordic holding an AMA on... 8chan (UP: website linked to multiple mass shootings) READ THREADMARKS
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Well said, " games journalism" over this whole situation has been embarrassing. Sadly not a shock though, it's obvious the industry cares more about staying in the goodness graces of publishers
I don't care about any of these other places. Hell, half of them would cheer on you if they believed you're a GGer.
Yeah, I get that, but in this specific case hopefully it should be easier to prove concerns are legitimate seeing as they're against a GG / alt-right site. Although I guess I wouldn't put it past GG to come up with some sort of twisted false flag operation out of this, too. :/
Well I haven't lurked past leftypol and /v/ tbh. Leftypol has a good amount of leftist literature in their sticky tho.
Meanwhile, /v/ was the place where this AMA was, where we were seeing people post images of crusaders and Nazis.
There's actually been harsher criticism against THQ from inside the industry than from most news outlets, so I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see that criticism turned towards news outlets if they keep being weirdly soft about it.
Sure, agreed for this issue. I was just saying generally it's gonna be real difficult.
I could be wrong ofcourse and I hope I am.
Gamedevs going in would definitely get through for this since Devs have been victims of that b.s too.
Oh shit, I just remembered, THQ owns Deep Silver who published Metro Exodus, an Epic exclusive. I wonder what Epic's stance is on exclusively hosting a game from a publisher that's owned by THQ Nordic, they're essentially helping support THQ Nordic, that's gotta be a bit of a bad look, PR wise right about now.
Watch this space I guess!
Watch this space I guess!
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I mean, fair enough, but I'd recommend going literally anywhere else for left wing literature. It's not difficult to find.
oh you mean /v/, where THQ was welcomed with a friendly hiel hitler? seems like a cool place
Surely going full gamergate with this kind of conspiracy shit is not the way to handle criticism with how some gaming websites have been dealing with this?
Just speaking personally, I don't expect any further information if it can't be gained - I think Waypoint did a good job yet even they were getting blown off. But the Gamespot article disappointed me because of how much information we have that they just didn't include. The apology was at the front, and they didn't really go into what we heard from THQ Nordic on Twitter or what the AMA itself looked like, which I think are some of the more damning things about this whole story.
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Yeah you're right, they're probably just sympathetic towards THQN.
Hello, thank you for your reply and you make some good and rational points. Yes, there will be some people that have no choice. And I will feel bad for them especially if they are keeping a job they hate in order to support their families. I think that my passion for the topic might be clouding my ability to remain impartial.
Maybe my background will explain my no tolerance policy on supporters of child sexual abuse. I am the father of 4 children who mean the world to me. I do everything I can to protect them. I am also an elementary school teacher so working with and keeping children safe is kind of my whole life. Child sexual abuse is one of the worst crimes that can ever be committed and innocent victims can never fully recover from it. The terrible normalizing of this behavior on the internet keeps the demand for this sort of content up. I feel sick to my stomach at the thought of how many kids have been harmed.
And yes I know not everyone can quit a job on moral grounds. I personally could not possibly work for a company doing so much potential harm, but other people are indeed, as you say, "slaves to the system". I should realize that not everyone has the same privilege I do.
I know it would be terrible if some adults lost their jobs because I (and others) didn't buy their games. But I still won't support THQN any further because as awful as people losing their jobs is, I feel that that damage from promoting child sexual abuse is worse. I don't expect everyone to have the same stance as me and I understand that my previous post probably came across as heartless.
You are right. Guilt by association is too big of a leap. And I'm sorry I went there. I will say that anyone who has the means and opportunity to leave the ship and knowingly chooses to remain on the S.S. Kiddy Porn won't get my tears if that ship sinks. I worry that statement will still be seen as too strong but I will always choose the lives and safty of kids above other lives. Including my own.
Because they're a company that up until. very recently was generally pretty likable for bringing back a lot of dead IPs. If you care about video games more than anything else in the world it makes sense.
Well, yes, informing people that they are actively dodging answering about this is worthwhile. If no pressure to answer is applied, they have no reason to do so. They want this to pass.
Isn't the "No comment" newsworthy in some way? I mean, the reason they are on lockdown is to wait until this all blows over without making any changes. And yes actually, a story about how the company is actively avoiding the press is something I would like to get a mention.
And not casting a stone at you. I am sure you are doing all you can. But that would be my honest answer to your question.
It's not just the fact that they're refusing to comment, but a lot of outlets just reported on the apology and moved on without focusing on a lot more of the problematic stuff.
Like "did they know?" shouldn't be a question. Just a lot of disappointing reporting.
Like "did they know?" shouldn't be a question. Just a lot of disappointing reporting.
FWIW, I thought you did a really good job with GI's coverage. You portrayed the seriousness of the matter really well and included many of the details, kudos.
I will say that I wish you didn't have to disable comments on an article like that (or at all really), but I've seen what goes down in those comment sections sometimes and I understand.
Senran Kagura and other ecchi anime games of that nature are banned from this forum, right?
But games made by a company that embraces real child pornography and neonazis are fine to discuss?
I don't understand this decision. We're talking about a community that harms real flesh and bone humans, here, not anime. Why is THQ Nordic more welcome than, say, yandere simulator?
Note: I personally don't think that either should be banned from discussion, but, if THQ Nordic games are welcome, I don't see why senran kagura shouldn't be welcome. And if Senran Kagura isn't welcome, neither should THQ Nordic.
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Because the Darksiders series and Shenmue 3 don't actually contain porn (or porn-like material) in them AFAIK
The Era policy is pretty consistent and clear-cut to me.
99% of the time people ask these types of questions, they haven't taken the 15 minutes necessary to read the TOS or general posting FAQ. There is nothing confusing about the policy like you said.
Nevertheless, we aren't talking about a few low level employees, here - we're talking about the top executives and publicists for the company itself. The people who dictate the company's associations and identity, and the associations and identity of the company itself.
Seems a bit more egregious to me, personally.
Didn't reddit have a child porn problem as well? Now I'm fully aware 8chan is more of a hellish wild west in comparison, but it just seems weird to me that a Reddit AMA is completely fine and non-suspect despite having a ridiculous over-abundance of scummy havens like thedonald, redpill, 'braincels' (where people will celebrate terrorist attacks and other atrocities) I haven't kept up with Reddit in a while (for obvious reasons) but I'm sure there's something new and disgusting festering around in there.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that to me, the line between Reddit and 4chan/8chan is extremely, extremely thin.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that to me, the line between Reddit and 4chan/8chan is extremely, extremely thin.
It is published by deep silver which is owned by THQ Nordic but I am glad the resetera staff clarified this, because not talking about any of the games published by them would be become an issue since the list is pretty big with some major titles.
Metro series, Yakuza, Shenmue, Anno etc etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deep_Silver_video_games
I don't think anyone means to dismiss the quality coverage — yours at Game Informer, Waypoint's, Polygon's, etc. — they're just frustrated by the poor coverage from other outlets, some of whom one might expect better from.
Some aren't putting THQ Nordic's name or 8ch's contextualizing offenses into their headlines, some are playing softball or treating the situation as a wacky mistake, some are centering their articles around Brock's insincere apology (ignoring the context of it), some are just barebones — or all of the above.
Hopefully getting some mainstream attention will help coax actual repercussions, but it seems all too likely this will blow over and there will be zero consequences internally at THQN or from their partners.
Are they ? it was my understanding that deep silver was the publishing wing of Koch Media which was aquired by THQ Nordic does that not mean they too are owned by THQ Nordic ?
I was having a discussion about games journalism off the back of the Mike Ybarra blow up, because in some ways I agreed with his dance on reviews.
Shit like this article is another reason why I'm not too hot on the "game press". They are not held to any kind of journalistic standards. A lot of sites read like blogs, or tabloid click bait with the occasional serious, well written piece.
I feel this is partly why game companies do some of the stupid shit they do with impunity. The "press" never truly holds them accountable.
You're right in that a major part of Reddit's earlier popularity was due to /r/jailbait, which wasn't a child porn community per se but still focused on the sexualization of underaged girls. The creator of the subreddit was even sent a plaque by Reddit's creators. It eventually got closed down because it came out that there was child pornography being shared behind the scenes and they didn't want the legal liability. The underlying mentality behind Reddit and 8chan are similar in terms of their libertarian pure free speech attitudes, which is why you also get a lot of terrible Reddit crap like The_Donald.
While I have no great respect for Reddit, the two cases are still significant different. In Reddit's case, the child pornography stuff was only on the forefront in the past, whereas 8chan's still doing it now. Basically, Reddit is cowardly and tends to buckle on absolute free speech when it might bite them, but 8chan's more dedicated to its pedophile community and was even advertising it during this AMA.
The other thing is that Reddit is a thriving mainstream community on its own accord, and there are plenty of places you can go to that are well moderated and safe even if the site as a whole isn't. 8chan is a 4chan clone and defines itself against 4chan - the site looks almost identical and the /v/ board this AMA was held in is meant to be a substitute for 4chan's /v/. As such, there's really no reason to use 8chan unless you want to get something you can't get from the more popular and safer 4chan. That means if you're on 8chan, you're inevitably there because of things 4chan takes a harder stance against, like child pornography, Gamergate, and Naziism (outside of its home on /pol/).
Above this AMA was a link to a community dedicated to sexualization of feminine little boys. The first reply was "heil Hitler". Other replies contained images of Nazis and crusaders, and users used the opportunity to openly declare their racism. Would you get all of that on another, more mainstream community?
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My understanding is they're a subsidiary, but they're a distinct entity that makes their own deicisions and doesn't share liability.
Wreckfest has conveniently been being shoved down my throat on the homepage of steam all week. It's pretty fucking annoying considering the circumstances. This may be just me because It's been on my wishlist for like a year. Now it's off the wishlist. Figures. Finally goes on sale and the publisher does some insane next world shit.
I think the idea is that the banned games are banned because any discussion of them has to, or will inevitably, break some part of Rule III. about NSFW content. They aren't banned because they have heinous moral codes (although they pretty much all do) but because they are sexually or graphically explicit by nature, such that they cannot be discussed without some form of tacit endorsement or spreading of that explicit content, and THQ Nordic/Deep Silver don't have any games like that.
There is also always the concern that banning all discussion means that these issues don't get raised and thus people aren't well informed of the company's actions. No doubt many posters will either not be informed of the rule (which would be their own fault) or will not understand THQ Nordic AB's complex mess of licenses and projects and will post many threads that would break this rule, which would likely be a frequent and messy situation. Banning all discussion of a major publisher is such a drastic move that it is probably wiser to take the safe route, where everyone will be constantly informed of this heinous decision in every relevant thread anyway.
At that point what's the difference between Reddit and Facebook or Twitter? All have major problems with abusive content and have acted far too slowly to stop them from spreading. The difference is that while those sites have tons and tons of issues, they are mainstream websites where the vast majority of their millions of users never see or seek out such content and have relatively strict standards and moderation for AMAs and similar marketing events. The issue is that they could have chosen a site that can be and is used daily by millions for legitimate, non-hateful purposes but chose to go to one that exists solely for edgelord pieces of shit to share hateful content.
Videogame news outlet readers considers themselves costumers, not citizens. They want to be fed with the new hot shit, not consider if the manifacturers of their console have human rights or figure out what crunch time is. Which is reflected by most coverage. They wanna consume and not feel guilty about it. Hence why the gaming community is such recruiting ground for scum. All they need to say is there is nothing wrong with what you consume and fuck the libtards who want to take it away from you.
Things are slowly changing atleast. Better writers, people from a place of decency pouring in and some miniscule growing up in the community
Things are slowly changing atleast. Better writers, people from a place of decency pouring in and some miniscule growing up in the community
I disagree. I know Reddit has terrible communities (some of the absolute worst out there) but I use it everyday and I've literally never encountered any of these horrible things that appear as soon as you visit the chans. The use of slurs and other channy behaviours are not allowed in most of Reddit I'd say.
It's like sombody remembered the edgy marketing Sega Europe used to do in the 90's and tried to replicate it but missed the mark by so much they looked like they were endorsing pedos and Nazis.
