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Brot

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Yeah that was pretty soon after the happening too. But it's hidden in the "web" and then "games" part.
While it's weak, it's still better than any German gaming outlet I know and unlike with DerStandard, you'd assume it's their job to report on this. I checked pcgames.de, 4players.de, gamestar.de and computerbase.de (not strictly gaming but they do report gaming news) and none of them had anything to say about this. The only article that shows up on Google News is from Eurogamer.de.

https://www.eurogamer.de/articles/2...fuehrt-die-fuer-kinderpornografie-bekannt-ist
 

jschreier

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I keep getting pinged about this thread. I think Nathan did a fine job. Not sure how anyone can read his opening few paragraphs and think he was being soft on THQ Nordic. I'm not going to get into any arguments about the content of an article I didn't write or edit (I was recording and editing a podcast when this entire thing went down), but I will explain that we didn't use "THQ Nordic" in the headline because very few people know what "THQ Nordic" is. That was a pretty clear cut decision, one we usually make when a story is interesting but our readers would mostly be unfamiliar with the party involved.
 
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If discussion of content from people like Colin Moriarty or "Meet-the-alt-right-in-the-middle" man is banned here (which I fully agree with btw, don't get me wrong), the discussion about a company not reacting to their PR team being openly indifferent about child pornography and supportive of homophobia and GG should be banned as well.
I understand if mods don't want to go that far, I really do, but it's the right thing to do.
 

derFeef

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While it's weak, it's still better than any German gaming outlet I know and unlike with DerStandard, you'd assume it's their job to report on this. I checked pcgames.de, 4players.de, gamestar.de and computerbase.de (not strictly gaming but they do report gaming news) and none of them had anything to say about this. The only article that shows up on Google News is from Eurogamer.de.

https://www.eurogamer.de/articles/2...fuehrt-die-fuer-kinderpornografie-bekannt-ist
That's a good article as well, good headline how it should be.
Shame on the other sites...
Also VERY disappointed by Giant Bomb and how they talked about it during thieir podcast. They made some jokes about Darksiders, talked about it a little bit and that's about it....
 

SJurgenson

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That's a good article as well, good headline how it should be.
Shame on the other sites...
Also VERY disappointed by Giant Bomb and how they talked about it during thieir podcast. They made some jokes about Darksiders, talked about it a little bit and that's about it....

The story was breaking as they were live recording their podcast. The full scale of the issue was not appearent then.

I think everyone still presumed we'd be seeing some sort of full backpedal from THQN soon...
 

snausages

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So do people reckon this PR guy was an 8channer himself? To me it feels like you would have to be in that echo chamber to internalise that this could ever be a good idea.
 
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If discussion of content from people like Colin Moriarty or "Meet-the-alt-right-in-the-middle" man is banned here (which I fully agree with btw, don't get me wrong), the discussion about a company not reacting to their PR team being openly indifferent about child pornography and supportive of homophobia and GG should be banned as well.
I understand if mods don't want to go that far, I really do, but it's the right thing to do.

That's a good point, actually. I'd forgotten that there were "forbidden" producers like Colin. It's weird that the staff feel like taking a wide-reaching stance towards the guy who is notorious for making a dumb, sexist joke but feel like we have to keep promotion of games from a publisher whose stance towards child pornography has become increasingly clear.

Like, they can say "we don't want partial bans on games" but surely that then extends to other kinds of content? Like, if you can't have partial bans of games then you shouldn't have partial bans on YouTube videos and as dumb and sexist and racist as Colin Moriarity is by this logic videos of his that aren't sexist or racist or whatever should be deserving of threads here.
 

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So do people reckon this PR guy was an 8channer himself? To me it feels like you would have to be in that echo chamber to internalise that this could ever be a good idea.
I think the PR guy, Reinhard, and Fabian are all 8chan natives considering how they were all taking part in talking about "lolis" and "faggotry" with all the rest of the scum that hang out there, and making off the cuff quips like "we work it like an alien prostitute" with no provocation.

I also want to drive in the fact that this is not just a PR guy. You had upper management from THQ Nordic AB in there.
 
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dammitmattt

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This guy made a horrific decision that very likely speaks to his own beliefs. He VERY clearly should be fired immediately and it's incomprehensible that it hasn't happened yet, just like it's baffling that company leadership hasn't put out any kind of real statement.

Businesses are big, complex things and you will always have idiots who fuck up in various ways, but what defines you is how you react to these situations, and THQN leadership thus far is failing miserably.

With that said, I think comments here that THQN as an organization openly supports the terrible things that define 8chan are completely disingenuous and unfair. It's an incredible leap to arrive at that point based solely on this story unless there is a pattern of behavior within the company and their leadership.
 

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PMS341

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I keep getting pinged about this thread. I think Nathan did a fine job. Not sure how anyone can read his opening few paragraphs and think he was being soft on THQ Nordic. I'm not going to get into any arguments about the content of an article I didn't write or edit (I was recording and editing a podcast when this entire thing went down), but I will explain that we didn't use "THQ Nordic" in the headline because very few people know what "THQ Nordic" is. That was a pretty clear cut decision, one we usually make when a story is interesting but our readers would mostly be unfamiliar with the party involved.

The name THQ itself is pretty well-known in the gaming community, and it would probably only take a sentence or two to describe exactly what makes THQ Nordic different in comparison. Again though, you didn't write it, and you certainly know better than me when it comes to proper headlines, but with the story fizzling the way it has, I suppose many are just hoping for some sort of justice at this point.
 

Gotdatmoney

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Of all the places to have an AMA deciding to do it on 8chan is automaticallly indicative of prior knowledge. This was premeditated. Its so dumb to entertain this being an accident or lack of due dilligence. Like how the fuck can you read that site for more than 1 min and not see its a huge PR nightmare?

People need to stop this stupid "big screw up". It wasn't a screw up or a bad judgement call. They just didnt expect backlash to be this strong.
 

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Of all the places to have an AMA deciding to do it on 8chan is automaticallly indicative of prior knowledge. This was premeditated. Its so dumb to entertain this being an accident or lack of due dilligence. Like how the fuck can you read that site for more than 1 min and not see its a huge PR nightmare?

People need to stop this stupid "big screw up". It wasn't a screw up or a bad judgement call. They just didnt expect backlash to be this strong.
Fuck they even joked about the gross reputation of the site by going "we are doing a AMA there and we have no idea why" like "isn't absolutely craaay how we are doing a Q&A on one of the worst places of the internet? Aren't we just so kooky?"

They fucking knew and as you said it's really baffling that someone would think otherwise.
 

Gifmaker

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Of all the places to have an AMA deciding to do it on 8chan is automaticallly indicative of prior knowledge. This was premeditated. Its so dumb to entertain this being an accident or lack of due dilligence. Like how the fuck can you read that site for more than 1 min and not see its a huge PR nightmare?

People need to stop this stupid "big screw up". It wasn't a screw up or a bad judgement call. They just didnt expect backlash to be this strong.
I disagree. I think if one was familiar with the site beforehand, they would precisely know what kind of backlash to expect.

I still lean towards considering it a giant fuck-up. A colossal one certainly, but I am not convinced about malicious intent. And I agree with what someone above stated, that it seems hardly fair to associate the entire publisher with being pro-cp now.
 

Eumi

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I disagree. I think if one was familiar with the site beforehand, they would precisely know what kind of backlash to expect.

I still lean towards considering it a giant fuck-up. A colossal one certainly, but I am not convinced about malicious intent. And I agree with what someone above stated, that it seems hardly fair to associate the entire publisher with being pro-cp now.
Then how do you explain the "and we don't know why" thing?

Why say that if you don't know that the site has a reputation?
 

Gotdatmoney

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I disagree. I think if one was familiar with the site beforehand, they would precisely know what kind of backlash to expect.

The people involved in this certainly weren't expecting Washington post and other outlets to pick this up. Naw man. You don't do an AMA on a site you know nothing about. How fucking obvious is that?

I still lean towards considering it a giant fuck-up.

It's not a fuck up. You read the website for 5 minutes, it's abundantly clear what the fuck it is.

A colossal one certainly, but I am not convinced about malicious intent.

Then you're being openly blind to the obvious facts and common sense. How the fuck do you end up on 8chan making comments about alien prostitutes and joking about holding underage anime girls tits and think its an accident?

It's not an accident and covering your eyes and ears just to feign ignorance is not cute, it's beyond obnoxious. If you dont think this had malicious intent, its because you dont want to.
 

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Good Lord, can you stop posting sick 8Chan stuff here?!

I'm just here to check this trainwreck.
There are people going "it was just a PR guy making a mistake, he probably didn't know what 8chan was", "I didn't know 8chan was a thing", "Can't be worse than Reddit", etc.

It's important these people fucking see just how bad it is with their own two eyes.
 

Servbot24

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How many people know what 8chan is but don't know the type of content it contains? I don't even understand how you can blindly navigate to that site innocently and then apparently at complete random decide to host an AMA there. Normally I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but this one clearly doesn't add up.

That said I don't hold it against THQ Nordic at large or think their games should be banned. I just think the dude who organized this should be fired.
 

Gifmaker

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Then how do you explain the "and we don't know why" thing?

Why say that if you don't know that the site has a reputation?
Probably to sound funny. Either way, it's not exactly a phrase with much substance. Also, maybe mixing it up with 4chan? Who knows. I am not saying it was competent, because it wasn't. I am just not convinced about malicious intent.
 

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Out of curiosity I thought to myself if yongyea had made a video regarding this, due to this being his bread and butter of making money. Reading articles about game companies doin
Conveniently a lot of Youtubers haven't picked up on this...

I checked yesterday to see if yongyea had made a video regarding this, because it just seems like something he would jump at the chance to cover (not a fan at all of the dudes videos, but was just curious especially considering hes gathered an alt right audience now)

All he had was just more videos of slaming EA & video game studios, laughable at the level of forced outrage to minor issues with one huge out in the open
 

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How many people know what 8chan is but don't know the type of content it contains? I don't even understand how you can blindly navigate to that site innocently and then apparently at complete random decide to host an AMA there. Normally I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but this one clearly doesn't add up.

That said I don't hold it against THQ Nordic at large or think their games should be banned. I just think the dude who organized this should be fired.
Again, it wasn't just one dude. They quickly made Phillipp the scapegoat, ignoring the fact that you had upper management (Reinhard Pollice, Director of business and production development, and shareholder of THQ Nordic AB, the parent company) in there taking part and making homophobic jokes.

At the very minimum we know 3 people were involved.
 

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Probably to sound funny. Either way, it's not exactly a phrase with much substance. Also, maybe mixing it up with 4chan? Who knows. I am not saying it was competent, because it wasn't. I am just not convinced about malicious intent.
That still doesn't explain their "joking" behavior while answering disturbing questions on the AMA itself.
 

Gifmaker

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Then you're being openly blind to the obvious facts and common sense. How the fuck do you end up on 8chan making comments about alien prostitutes and joking about holding underage anime girls tits and think its an accident?

It's not an accident and covering your eyes and ears just to feign ignorance is not cute, it's beyond obnoxious. If you dont think this had malicious intent, its because you dont want to.
Or because I have reason to believe otherwise, which I trust more than internet strangers' emotional judgement.

That still doesn't explain their "joking" behavior while answering disturbing questions on the AMA itself.
I agree. Idiocy would be my guess, but it's just that, a guess.
 

Gotdatmoney

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Probably to sound funny. Either way, it's not exactly a phrase with much substance. Also, maybe mixing it up with 4chan? Who knows. I am not saying it was competent, because it wasn't. I am just not convinced about malicious intent.

Who knows? If that is how you feel then why do you have all these excuses? It makes no sense. I do not get how you dont think they did this shit purposely. Have you read any of the story? Again, how do you end up on 8chan. A website ban from google search by accident?

How do you end up on 8chan, navigate to a board, post an AMA amoung the filth of threads hosted there, read all the comments, reply to them with entirely inappropriate responses and not think there was any intent?

Are you actually serious here?
 

Eumi

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Probably to sound funny. Either way, it's not exactly a phrase with much substance. Also, maybe mixing it up with 4chan? Who knows. I am not saying it was competent, because it wasn't. I am just not convinced about malicious intent.
To sound funny? I mean, yeah, obviously.

I'm asking you to explain the joke. Because you don't seem to get it if you think they had no idea.
 

More_Badass

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Probably to sound funny. Either way, it's not exactly a phrase with much substance. Also, maybe mixing it up with 4chan? Who knows. I am not saying it was competent, because it wasn't. I am just not convinced about malicious intent.
Maybe out of context, you could make that arguement. In the context of the sentence, it's clear "and we don't know why" is referring to 8chan's notoriety and framing the act of doing an AMA there as a reckless edgy thing to do.

We're doing an an AMA on 8chan and we don't know why, come join us!

Their follow-up tweet was THQ saying that the 8chan guy who reached out to them would handle the "nasty stuff" during the AMA

said guy will take care of the nasty stuff, so here we are

Any attempts to claim that they didn't know what 8chan was, are dead right there
 

Irminsul

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Then how do you explain the "and we don't know why" thing?

Why say that if you don't know that the site has a reputation?
I think that line can easily have a more innocuous explanation -- "We don't know this site and despite that, we're doing an AMA on it".

What's a lot harder to explain is the infamous Mark taking care of "nasty stuff". Like, if you expect nasty stuff, maybe refrain from doing an AMA? Just maybe?

Though of course it could be that they just expected 4chan-level nasty stuff. Even that should be plainly obvious not to be the case once you visit the site. On the other hand, them expecting to get just another version of 4chan still makes more sense to me, because you can get the "edgy gamer" crowd with that, you can even get some of /pol/, but it's probably even more ignored by the media at large than the current situation. I just don't see the benefit of 8chan vs. 4chan, at all.

Of course, doing an AMA on 4chan is also a tremendously stupid idea and quite nasty. But at least I could imagine the thought process behind that. I really can't for 8chan (and no, not even if the guys behind that were in favour of child porn. But that's a different point altogether).

That still doesn't explain their "joking" behavior while answering disturbing questions on the AMA itself.
Mixing it up with 4chan actually does, I think, because none of the posts in the actual AMA would be out of line there.
 

Gotdatmoney

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People are actually running with this mixing it up with 4chan cover? It's like now we assume corporate employees cant use the internet, cant google and apply simple logic.

Embarassing.
 

Servbot24

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Again, it wasn't just one dude. They quickly made Phillipp the scapegoat, ignoring the fact that you had upper management (Reinhard Pollice, Director of business and production development, and shareholder of THQ Nordic AB, the parent company) in there taking part and making homophobic jokes.

At the very minimum we know 3 people were involved.
Well all those people should be canned then.
 

OrdinaryPrime

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I disagree. I think if one was familiar with the site beforehand, they would precisely know what kind of backlash to expect.

I still lean towards considering it a giant fuck-up. A colossal one certainly, but I am not convinced about malicious intent. And I agree with what someone above stated, that it seems hardly fair to associate the entire publisher with being pro-cp now.

I don't particularly care that you disagree. The evidence is obvious to anyone who read the deleted tweet and saw what was posted by a member of THQ Nordic's board on the website.
 

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Or because I have reason to believe otherwise, which I trust more than internet strangers' emotional judgement.


I agree. Idiocy would be my guess, but it's just that, a guess.

If you are a PR guy, you see a question regarding "big titties lolis" and you answer it, instead of closing down the whole stunt immediately is not stupidity unless the guy lacks any common sense and doesn't even know the basics of it's job or it was a planned strategy to get a loyal fan base.

You decide but the second one is way more likely.
 

Eumi

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Holy crap are we actually pulling out the "maybe they thought it was 4-chan" defense now?

Why are people so damn eager to defend big corporations?

The site isn't even listed by google, for God's sake! Add to that the fact that they saw the reaction they were getting after announcing it (they were liking tweets talking about the AMA), there is literally no chance that they did not know about the site before starting the AMA. They liked a tweet directly referencing people being too sensitive. They knew. End of story.

Can we please stop grasping at the most tenuous straws to validate this decision?
 

Famassu

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In don't know about Philipp Brock, but a sizable portion of the team, no. Be aware that you are willing to throw a lot of people under the bus for the actions of just a few persons with that line of thinking.


DerStandard wrote about it yesterday, but only online I think.
Marketing people don't generally fly solo in bigger companies with whole teams handling these things. I very much doubt this was the doings of a single person. And please, I'm throwing no one (in particular) under the bus. I'm not pointing fingers at any specific people (other than the head of marketing & that other dude) and I'm not saying everyone on the team is such. But the culture would seem to be the kind that (not enough) people aren't the kind that they would go "hold on, maybe we should rethink this whole deal"
 
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Yakuza and Anno wouldn't be affected by a ban on their games anyway. Yakuza's a SEGA game, Deep Silver only publishes the physical European release, and Deep Silver hasn't had anything to do with Anno in over a decade, Ubisoft owns it.
doesnt Deep Silver publish all physical Sega releases on Europe? Will the disclaimer about 8Chan be a permanent fixture in Sega threads?
 
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Danzflor

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Out of curiosity I thought to myself if yongyea had made a video regarding this, due to this being his bread and butter of making money. Reading articles about game companies doin

I checked yesterday to see if yongyea had made a video regarding this, because it just seems like something he would jump at the chance to cover (not a fan at all of the dudes videos, but was just curious especially considering hes gathered an alt right audience now)

All he had was just more videos of slaming EA & video game studios, laughable at the level of forced outrage to minor issues with one huge out in the open

Yeah, I stopped watching YongYea a while ago. While his Kojima related content is really neat, all his other outrage content put a bad taste in my mouth, just like you said, making minor issues feel like a terrorist attack on the poor gamers.

That said, I truly believe the main reason non of said youtubers are covering the situation is the child pornography aspect of it. They know that the second they mention it, it could drastically affect their revenue or even getting an strike on their channels, and they're having none of it.