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Deleted member 9317 · Mar 16, 2019

lunatique said:
Of course nazis aren't terrorists, they'e not Arabs, wear turbans, and all that.

/s

Skulls and bones ain't a symbol of death anymore, it's a symbol of life because we are all skulls and bones. Nazis are simple people now, herding farms, shitposting, killing people, spreading hate. You know, simple 2019 stuff. But Terrorism?!! No fucking way. Only incels can be terrorists.

AntiMacro said:
Again - you can vilify someone for their association with someone else - for the things that person had done PRIOR to the association. You can't fairly vilify them for things that happened after, unless they continue to support them. That's why I'm not comfortable with people saying things like they 'supported massacring 49 people' which is just over the top - that's not downplaying the cesspool they willingly waded into, it's just not timetraveling the shooting prior to their involvement.

Back to that GAF example - it's entirely unfair to say that anyone that posted there prior to Amir0x getting busted for child porn also supported child porn just because they had some connection to him - even if it was being unfairly banned for bullshit. Nobody - that we know of at least - knew about it. You can judge the fuck out of anyone that chooses to keep associating with Amir0x AFTERWARDS though, and that's entirely fair.

Do you realize this is not the first terrorist incident linked to 4chan/8chan, right? That GAF example is HILARIOUS because GAF is not a child porn website first, nor was it notorious for breeding hate or promoting these ideologies. Get your head out of your ass, you weren't born this way. If it quacks like a nazi, walks like a nazi and gives platform to nazi, it must not be nazi, amirite or amirox?

Again, head out of your ass. Don't dig in deeper, you sound like you're sympathizing with assholes.

mutantmagnet · Mar 16, 2019

lunatique said:
Of course nazis aren't terrorists, they'e not Arabs, wear turbans, and all that. /s

Gosh, how I hate the 'mass shooting' term. Just call it terrorism act, there's no difference.

The Columbine shooters weren't terrorists. They didn't have a political goal. That's why the term mass shooter exists.

Deleted member 9317 · Mar 16, 2019

mutantmagnet said:
The Columbine shooters weren't terrorists. They didn't have a political goal. That's why the term mass shooter exists.

There's no such thing as "not terrorists". America gave them a pretty name to seperate "political/religious terrorists" from "terrorists who don't have a political/religious goal" because their own boys from the neighborhood were involved, and they didn't think to call them "mentally ill" at that time. They're still terrorists, it's still terrorism. Terrorism doesn't need to be politically or religiously motivated, it's all about creating fear and terror for the general public who had nothing to do with the crimes they carried other than being at the wrong place.

Just like the incel piece of shit who killed people in Toronto. That's terrorism, and it was not politically and religiously motivated.

Let's not sugar coat the killing of innocent people by giving it a grading/acceptance system like it's Grand Theft Auto.

Schreckweg 5000 · Mar 16, 2019

mutantmagnet said:
The Columbine shooters weren't terrorists. They didn't have a political goal. That's why the term mass shooter exists.

A nazi terrorist just did nazi terrorist stuff and killed over 40 people.

If you want to talk about Columbine, you probably should make another thread.

Baji Boxer · Mar 16, 2019

AntiMacro said:
Again - you can vilify someone for their association with someone else - for the things that person had done PRIOR to the association. You can't fairly vilify them for things that happened after, unless they continue to support them. That's why I'm not comfortable with people saying things like they 'supported massacring 49 people' which is just over the top - that's not downplaying the cesspool they willingly waded into, it's just not timetraveling the shooting prior to their involvement.

Back to that GAF example - it's entirely unfair to say that anyone that posted there prior to Amir0x getting busted for child porn also supported child porn just because they had some connection to him - even if it was being unfairly banned for bullshit. Nobody - that we know of at least - knew about it. You can judge the fuck out of anyone that chooses to keep associating with Amir0x AFTERWARDS though, and that's entirely fair.

GAF would only be relevant if they had specific sub-forums dedicated to Neo-Nazis, lolicon, toddlercon, other violent extremists, and it had been started by open-pedophiles. Fact is that 8chan really doesn't have an equivelant to make a real world analogy with.

Baji Boxer · Mar 16, 2019

mutantmagnet said:
The Columbine shooters weren't terrorists. They didn't have a political goal. That's why the term mass shooter exists.

Shao Kahn said:
There's no such thing as "not terrorists". America gave them a pretty name to seperate "political/religious terrorists" from "terrorists who don't have a political/religious goal" because their own boys from the neighborhood were involved, and they didn't think to call them "mentally ill" at that time. They're still terrorists, it's still terrorism. Terrorism doesn't need to be politically or religiously motivated, it's all about creating fear and terror for the general public who had nothing to do with the crimes they carried other than being at the wrong place.

Just like the incel piece of shit who killed people in Toronto. That's terrorism, and it was not politically and religiously motivated.

Let's not sugar coat the killing of innocent people by giving it a grading/acceptance system like it's Grand Theft Auto.

Schreckweg 5000 said:
A nazi terrorist just did nazi terrorist stuff and killed over 40 people.

If you want to talk about Columbine, you probably should make another thread.

I just want to make one statement about Columbine and point out that there was a reason behind it that could qualify as terrorism under that defenition, including a Nazi connection.

He praised them often in his journal, and some of his friends grew irritated at his frequent Nazi salutes and quotations in the months leading up to the shooting. At a certain point, Harris realized he needed to reduce this behavior, for fear of revealing his plans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold

Basically, he was enamoured with Nazis and Hitler. The date chosen for the attacks happened to fall on Hitler's birthday. They made statements of an ideological sort about "natural selection" and a general hatred for humanity. They were inspired by other ideological terrorists like Timothy McVeigh.

In addition to the commonly known "bully revenge" angle, they certainly developed a very destructive hate filled ideology. I'd say they defenitely qualify as lone wolf terrorists under the more common defenition.

mutantmagnet · Mar 16, 2019

Shao Kahn said:
There's no such thing as "not terrorists". America gave them a pretty name to seperate "political/religious terrorists" from "terrorists who don't have a political/religious goal" because their own boys from the neighborhood were involved, and they didn't think to call them "mentally ill" at that time. They're still terrorists, it's still terrorism. Terrorism doesn't need to be politically or religiously motivated, it's all about creating fear and terror for the general public who had nothing to do with the crimes they carried other than being at the wrong place.

Just like the incel piece of shit who killed people in Toronto. That's terrorism, and it was not politically and religiously motivated.

Let's not sugar coat the killing of innocent people by giving it a grading/acceptance system like it's Grand Theft Auto.

There isn't a sugar coating it. Murder has already been given distinctions in our courts because motivations matter in determining what the source of the problem is.

Should I assume you actually don't care about figuring out what would be the most effective ways to prevent each type of murder?

Schreckweg 5000 said:
A nazi terrorist just did nazi terrorist stuff and killed over 40 people.

If you want to talk about Columbine, you probably should make another thread.

Next time aim your point at the person who decided to broaden the topic instead of the person replying to that comment.

Baji Boxer said:
I just want to make one statement about Columbine and point out that there was a reason behind it that could qualify as terrorism under that defenition, including a Nazi connection.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold

Basically, he was enamoured with Nazis and Hitler. The date chosen for the attacks happened to fall on Hitler's birthday. They made statements of an ideological sort about "natural selection" and a general hatred for humanity. They were inspired by other ideological terrorists like Timothy McVeigh.

In addition to the commonly known "bully revenge" angle, they certainly developed a very destructive hate filled ideology. I'd say they defenitely qualify as lone wolf terrorists under the more common defenition.

Thanks for adding to the discussion. The timing with the birthday is really important and makes me assess my initial point was flawed.

Even though Columbine would still count as terrorism, the agenda behind other mass shootings wouldn't qualify.

GhostTrick · Mar 16, 2019

Ms.Galaxy said:
Many of us are only calling for a temporary ban in protest, not a permanent one. A ban of discussion until they start taking steps to fixing this and fire everyone responsible. They have not taken a single bit of any real action since this shit show started, outside of half-hearted apologies and vague promises, and those responsible are still in their positions getting paid nicely. There are real consequences for what they did, and they need to take responsibility for it.

If a ban took place in gaming medias, the whole thing would be solved already and the persons responsible would be fired.

But eh, what do I know.

AcademicSaucer · Mar 16, 2019

Shao Kahn said:
There's no such thing as "not terrorists". America gave them a pretty name to seperate "political/religious terrorists" from "terrorists who don't have a political/religious goal" because their own boys from the neighborhood were involved, and they didn't think to call them "mentally ill" at that time. They're still terrorists, it's still terrorism. Terrorism doesn't need to be politically or religiously motivated, it's all about creating fear and terror for the general public who had nothing to do with the crimes they carried other than being at the wrong place.

Just like the incel piece of shit who killed people in Toronto. That's terrorism, and it was not politically and religiously motivated.

Looking up the definition of terrorism I found NATO's for example

"The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against individuals or property in an attempt to coerce or intimidate governments or societies to achieve political, religious or ideological objectives"

and the UK one has this part
"the use (of violence) or threat (of violence) is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause "

In this case, the attack to the mosque in New Zealand was obviously terrorism

Schreckweg 5000 · Mar 16, 2019

I always stan thread derails, because that gives me the possibility to point out the obvious again:

1. Nazis can be terrorists.

2. Nazi ideology leads to violence.

3. 8chan is home for nazi ideology, which leads to violence.

4. Terrorists can committ mass shootings.

5. A nazi terrorist just shot a whole lot of people.

6. The nazi terrorist was radicalized at 8 chan.

Yall welcome.

L Thammy · Mar 16, 2019

If you're associating with ideologies like Nazism, white supremacy, the incel movement, et cetera, and you commit an act of violence that's primarily directed against the targets of that ideology, you're a terrorist. That's an act that serves to promote that ideology.

There are cases of mass shootings which are essentially violent acts of suicide, but when you go into the shooter's room and find the stars and bars pinned up on the wall, they're a terrorist. And that's what you find in a hell of a lot of these cases.

Deleted member 2652 · Mar 16, 2019

please don't pick on AntiMacro, he only says this stupid fucking shit in order to protect video games

Falcon511 · Mar 16, 2019

Couldn't the Feds just shut down 8**** for the illegal stuff? I mean it can't be that difficult. I actually vaguely remember that site from a few years ago around when GG started now that I think about it.

BernardoOne · Mar 16, 2019

AntiMacro said:
Again - you can vilify someone for their association with someone else - for the things that person had done PRIOR to the association. You can't fairly vilify them for things that happened after, unless they continue to support them. That's why I'm not comfortable with people saying things like they 'supported massacring 49 people' which is just over the top - that's not downplaying the cesspool they willingly waded into, it's just not timetraveling the shooting prior to their involvement.

Back to that GAF example - it's entirely unfair to say that anyone that posted there prior to Amir0x getting busted for child porn also supported child porn just because they had some connection to him - even if it was being unfairly banned for bullshit. Nobody - that we know of at least - knew about it. You can judge the fuck out of anyone that chooses to keep associating with Amir0x AFTERWARDS though, and that's entirely fair.

Except Amirox was a piece of shit pedophile on his own, he didn't use GAF for his lowlife garbage.
8chan literally had boards dedicated to post photos of real kids in sexually compromising positions. It's the reason they got delisted from google to begin with.

Sumio Mondo · Mar 16, 2019

Falcon511 said:
Couldn't the Feds just shut down 8**** for the illegal stuff? I mean it can't be that difficult. I actually vaguely remember that site from a few years ago around when GG started now that I think about it.

Literally every member on there should be on a watchlist now. I'd be very surprised if investigators aren't already looking at the boards and the members there very carefully.

patientzero · Mar 16, 2019

Sumio Mondo said:
Literally every member on there should be on a watchlist now. I'd be very surprised if investigators aren't already looking at the boards and the members there very carefully.

To go along with this, there could be a legit law-enforcement reason to not shut it down - it provides a one-stop shop for people to investigate. It's the same reason why law enforcement doesn't automatically shut down a lot of criminal enterprises; if the criminals have a watering hole you know where they'll be and can poach.

Sumio Mondo · Mar 16, 2019

patientzero said:
To go along with this, there could be a legit law-enforcement reason to not shut it down - it provides a one-stop shop for people to investigate. It's the same reason why law enforcement doesn't automatically shut down a lot of criminal enterprises; if the criminals have a watering hole you know where they'll be and can poach.

Yeah, all this will do is make more of the investigators around the world take note and keep a close eye on them (not just from US and NZ but from all over too). It'll be a great place to gather intel pretty easily.

patientzero · Mar 16, 2019

Sumio Mondo said:
Yeah, all this will do is make more of the investigators around the world take note and keep a close eye on them (not just from US and NZ but from all over too). It'll be a great place to gather intel pretty easily.

I'll add this caveat - if they're bothering to.

Governments are pretty notorious for not investigating right-wing terrorism very heavily. Granted, 8chan's other proclivities do get enforced more often.

Deleted member 176 · Mar 16, 2019

edit: accidental post 😭

TheUnseenTheUnheard · Mar 16, 2019

Why is the shooting relevant to this AMA? I know the connections to 8chan and all but its not like THQ Nordic held the AMA after the shooting took place or that they knew they would take place. While they did promote a toxic environment they could not have ever known the environment would spawn something like this.

svacina · Mar 16, 2019

TheUnseenTheUnheard said:
Why is the shooting relevant to this AMA? I know the connections to 8chan and all but its not like THQ Nordic held the AMA after the shooting took place or that they knew they would take place. While they did promote a toxic environment they could not have ever known the environment would spawn something like this.

The point is that the community they decided to spotlight did spawn something like this. And it is not particularly shocking.

spam musubi · Mar 16, 2019

TheUnseenTheUnheard said:
Why is the shooting relevant to this AMA? I know the connections to 8chan and all but its not like THQ Nordic held the AMA after the shooting took place or that they knew they would take place. While they did promote a toxic environment they could not have ever known the environment would spawn something like this.

4chan has lead to shootings before, and 8chan is a way worse 4chan, so they can't really be surprised

L Thammy · Mar 16, 2019

TheUnseenTheUnheard said:
Why is the shooting relevant to this AMA? I know the connections to 8chan and all but its not like THQ Nordic held the AMA after the shooting took place or that they knew they would take place. While they did promote a toxic environment they could not have ever known the environment would spawn something like this.

See:

L Thammy said:
They probably didn't know that the terrorist attack in New Zealand would happen or that it would someone from 8chan who did it, no. But they did probably see this:

Which, considering the title of the posted image is hans_judenjaeger.jpg - that would be Hans Jewhunter in English - should tell you how the 8channers responding to this AMA felt about violence against minorities. Oh, and I should remind that the company responsible for this AMA is in Vienna, Austria. Reinhard Pollice even went to university there as seen on his bio in THQ Nordic's board and executives page. They're probably well aware of what this stuff means.

And they even replied to this image:

which even ignoring the text is a member of the Knights Templar, a crusading order. Why would you see a member of a Christian organization that fought wars against Muslims in the Middle East in an AMA where Nazis are also being posted?

Even if the folks at THQ Nordic didn't know about specific future cases of violence against minorities, the AMA itself included celebrations of it.

LewieP · Mar 16, 2019

TheUnseenTheUnheard said:
Why is the shooting relevant to this AMA? I know the connections to 8chan and all but its not like THQ Nordic held the AMA after the shooting took place or that they knew they would take place. While they did promote a toxic environment they could not have ever known the environment would spawn something like this.

Yes who could have possibly predicted that a hotbed of vile unchecked white supremacy could result in violence.

Mechaplum · Mar 16, 2019

TheUnseenTheUnheard said:
Why is the shooting relevant to this AMA? I know the connections to 8chan and all but its not like THQ Nordic held the AMA after the shooting took place or that they knew they would take place. While they did promote a toxic environment they could not have ever known the environment would spawn something like this.

They could not have known that a cesspool that supports violence idealogy would eventually cause a violent tragedy?

Okay.

Weltall Zero · Mar 16, 2019

TheUnseenTheUnheard said:
Why is the shooting relevant to this AMA? I know the connections to 8chan and all but its not like THQ Nordic held the AMA after the shooting took place or that they knew they would take place. While they did promote a toxic environment they could not have ever known the environment would spawn something like this.

"Hey let's make an AMA in a nazi friendly board"
*board becomes involved in nazi terrorist shooting*
"HOW COULD HAVE WE POSSIBLY PREDICTED THAT!?"

Deleted member 2652 · Mar 16, 2019

TheUnseenTheUnheard said:
Why is the shooting relevant to this AMA? I know the connections to 8chan and all but its not like THQ Nordic held the AMA after the shooting took place or that they knew they would take place. While they did promote a toxic environment they could not have ever known the environment would spawn something like this.

give me a break, you know they foster this shit. they were literally warned about this and they did nothing. you want us to believe you're stupid enough to think this terrorist act being linked to 8chan is just a coincidence?

Palette Swap · Mar 16, 2019

"I guess that all caps read threadmarks mention in the title means I can go the fuck ahead and start shitposting disingenuous bullshit ASAP."

L Thammy · Mar 18, 2019

Just so we're keeping track, I'd like to point out that it's been three weeks so far and Reinhard Pollice is still shown in THQ Nordic's board and senior executives page.
http://www.thqnordic-investors.com/en/board-and-management/

Their statement on the AMA event is still the most recent news on the investors website, although it's business as usual elsewhere, such as their Twitter.

Arttemis · Mar 18, 2019

I'm certain that the internal investigation mentioned by the CEO was not ongoing but already concluded by the time he made his last statement. It's beyond disappointing to see a lack of any punitive measures for multiple people within the company to publicize and spend a day in the toxic hive of swatting, doxxing, racism, child pornography, incels, and terrorists.

DarkDetective · Mar 18, 2019

L Thammy said:
Just so we're keeping track, I'd like to point out that it's been three weeks so far and Reinhard Pollice is still shown in THQ Nordic's board and senior executives page.
http://www.thqnordic-investors.com/en/board-and-management/

Their statement on the AMA event is still the most recent news on the investors website, although it's business as usual elsewhere, such as their Twitter.

They don't update the list every day.

LewieP · Mar 18, 2019

Phillip Brock still says he's in his position on his LinkedIn.

L Thammy · Mar 18, 2019

DarkDetective said:
They don't update the list every day.

I'm not posting it every day.

Siresly · Mar 18, 2019

L Thammy said:
Just so we're keeping track, I'd like to point out that it's been three weeks so far and Reinhard Pollice is still shown in THQ Nordic's board and senior executives page.
http://www.thqnordic-investors.com/en/board-and-management/

Their statement on the AMA event is still the most recent news on the investors website, although it's business as usual elsewhere, such as their Twitter.

Well, at least there's this.

Of course doesn't mean anything, just words he put there at some point for whatever reason, that you snicker at and hope are true when you read them today.

Interested Observer · Mar 18, 2019

LewieP said:
Phillip Brock still says he's in his position on his LinkedIn.

People don't often announce they've been fired on LinkedIn.

LewieP · Mar 18, 2019

Interested Observer said:
People don't often announce they've been fired on LinkedIn.

People often update the "current employer" to reflect that the are no longer employed by someone.

Also I just posted accurate information regarding his public linkedin profile, I did not rule out anything else happening behind the scenes.

DarkDetective · Mar 18, 2019

L Thammy said:
I'm not posting it every day.

There hasn't been a quarterly earnings presentation since the controversy. That's when they usually update such information. The next one is on 22 May.

L Thammy · Mar 18, 2019

DarkDetective said:
There hasn't been a quarterly earnings presentation since the controversy. That's when they usually update such information. The next one is on 22 May.

Okay. If they post their quarterly earnings report and we learn then that something has been done, I'll post that instead. For now, since people are saying that it'll take weeks for something to happen, I'll just point out on a weekly basis that from what we've been given, nothing seems to have happened yet.

DarkDetective · Mar 18, 2019

L Thammy said:
Okay. If they post their quarterly earnings report and we learn then that something has been done, I'll post that instead. For now, since people are saying that it'll take weeks for something to happen, I'll just point out on a weekly basis that from what we've been given, nothing seems to have happened yet.

Personally, I don't expect anything to happen, but I feel 22 May is their final deadline, so to speak.

Deleted member 2652 · Apr 27, 2019

Quote said:
welp.

Deleted member 2840 · Apr 27, 2019

Quote said:
.

Why the weird bump?

RROCKMAN · Apr 27, 2019

saci said:
Why the weird bump?

Forgotten tab disease?

Deleted member 2840 · Apr 27, 2019

RROCKMAN said:
Forgotten tab disease?

Quite the old tab.

MrSaturn99 · Apr 27, 2019

D'oh, and I thought there was an update.

On a related note: I saw an ad for a THQ Nordic game (some re-release, I think?) on Crunchyroll last night and was stunned at how quickly everyone moved on from this.

Deleted member 2652 · Apr 27, 2019

unfortunately it's not a "weird bump" or "forgotten tab"
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sa...-1-dead-3-injured-called-a-hate-crime.113956/

L Thammy · Apr 27, 2019

Thanks for bumping this, Quote . Christ, I've been slipping, it's shameful how THQ Nordic has been able to successfully just let this die on its own accord.

Checked the board and management page again and, what do you know, Reinhard Pollice is still there.

http://www.thqnordic-investors.com/en/board-and-management/

Fat4all · Apr 27, 2019

saci said:
Why the weird bump?

there was a shooting today with another 8channer

Deleted member 2840 · Apr 27, 2019

Fat4all said:
there was a shooting today with another 8channer

AGAIN? What the fuck.

L Thammy · Apr 27, 2019

http://www.thqnordic-investors.com/en/news/?releaseId=3259962

This is the last update on their investors page. Don't know if it's related.

Fat4all · Apr 27, 2019

8chan users cheered on the note posted in the name of the suspected San Diego shooter, imploring him to "get a high score."

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