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This is a pretty minor detail in this whole event, but there was an image posted on the AMA of a guy with a giant iron cross, which accompanied a request to have an anti-ResetEra easter egg in all of THQ Nordic's games. I was curious as to what the significance of this guy was and the image name, visible in the screenshot, seemed to be a name.

So I looked it up, and was confused why I wasn't getting any results. Then it occurred to me. The image was named hans_judenjaeger.jpg. Juden is the plural of Jude, meaning "Jewish person" or "Jewish man". Jaeger or Jäger is a hunter. The image was effectively titled "Johnny Jewhunter".

Not that they were hiding that that they were Nazi sympathizers or that I wasn't expecting to find something horrible, but nice reminder of the type of people THQ was trying to appeal to, anyway. And again, the company is headquartered in Austria, so some of the people running this AMA might have had an easier time catching that than someone learning the language for funsies like me.
y i k e s

"haha, that kidder Johnny Jewhunter with his jokes, what would we do without him"
 

m_dorian

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This is a pretty minor detail in this whole event, but there was an image posted on the AMA of a guy with a giant iron cross, which accompanied a request to have an anti-ResetEra easter egg in all of THQ Nordic's games. I was curious as to what the significance of this guy was and the image name, visible in the screenshot, seemed to be a name.

So I looked it up, and was confused why I wasn't getting any results. Then it occurred to me. The image was named hans_judenjaeger.jpg. Juden is the plural of Jude, meaning "Jewish person" or "Jewish man". Jaeger or Jäger is a hunter. The image was effectively titled "Johnny Jewhunter".

Not that they were hiding that that they were Nazi sympathizers or that I wasn't expecting to find something horrible, but nice reminder of the type of people THQ was trying to appeal to, anyway. And again, the company is headquartered in Austria, so some of the people running this AMA might have had an easier time catching that than someone learning the language for funsies like me.
THQ has no defense but they also have no shame. Anyone that participated or condoned this AMA should feel miserable about themselves, it was not a mistake.
 

Bass2448

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THQ is a trash company. I'd like to see some jobs lost over this. I really shudder at thinking due to this incident how many trash human beings just found their hellish paradise. Is there nothing any government can do to shut that place down?

With that said, I've read some comments on this thread that deeply concern me.
 

thepotatoman

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Not giving them money is the most direct way I can impact the situation, not sure what else you want.
I guess the disconnect is the assumption is that THQN didn't expect any negative news articles about it at all, and the mere existence of negative coverage and adjustment of buying habits from readers as a result will cause the executives to take note of it being a bad move and never try that again. That they knew what that website is but didn't know that it was seen so negatively.

I'm skeptical because of how little they've done as a company to distance themselves from this, how little their business partners have done to distance themselves from it, and it doesn't seem like even the people who write about video games care enough to know the details or say that much about it. It's the type of response that comes from an understanding of them only slightly crossing the line, even though the line should be miles away from where they are now.

That's a problem you or I can't solve by just personally adjusting our buying habits. I don't know how to address the problem without more knowledge of the situation within the industry, but coverage like Giant Bomb's makes me believe we're not even on the same page of the scope of the problem. And I'm worried it's not going to be any easier addressing it months from now when they or someone else crosses the line again, but just not quite as far.

But if all you care about is your own buying habits, I suppose their coverage might have been adequate, at least for you, and I'm certainly not suggesting everyone needs to go on an activist crusade for this. Right now, i'd just be happy with an understanding that there needs to be something more in general, even though most of us probably don't know what that should be.
 

John Rabbit

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But if all you care about is your own buying habits, I suppose their coverage might have been adequate, at least for you, and I'm certainly not suggesting everyone needs to go on an activist crusade for this. Right now, i'd just be happy with an understanding that there needs to be something more in general, even though most of us probably don't know what that should be.
Yeah it's pretty clear that something should be done about this beyond me just not buying their games, but I don't have a platform to do that, and I don't need other platform-holders to tell me what I already know. I don't expect Giant Bomb specifically to be the place for that change to originate from, so they're not falling short of my expectations -- because I never had them in the first place -- on this particular issue.

Now if Waypoint decides to cover a THQN game in the future, especially without context or from a perspective that ignores what THQN did, that's a real problem.

And really, it IS up to us to amend our buying habits to send a message. Whether or not enough of us do that is another matter.
 

test_account

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There is something to gain.

When you get the gamergate folks latched onto your company, they become an online strike force against anyone who criticizes your company. With those folks attached, criticisms of THQ as an entity becomes riskier to make, because doing so means you're likely to have a harassment mob start hounding you for it. They're not much in terms of actual sales, but in terms of your public image, the idea that you have a THQ Online Defense Squad that can kinda look like it's just "passionate fans" is a plus.

This is a part of a pattern. Some group makes some bit of outreach to the hate mob, and in so doing wins a level of loyalty. After having done that, they then make an incredibly insufficient apology. The people they just did outreach to understand the apology, because they think the company has been "forced" into making it, so they don't take the apology as a rebuke. And a lot of people don't want to believe that this sort of malicious behavior was intentional, so an apology that casts the whole thing as a great big misunderstanding puts the incident back into the mental box that they wanted to contain it to, and lets them write off the whole incident. The net result is that the entity has gained themselves an online attack force that will defend the company from criticism without costing them seriously in the eyes of the public.

If you want an old example of it, and of how to escape this box, look at Intel. Leigh Alexander wrote an article for Gamasutra that angered gamergaters, and so they started trying to go after Gamasutra's advertisers. Intel wasn't in the know on what was going on, and they actually acted on these complaints, pulling advertising from Gamasutra. They had to turn around an issue an apology for that behavior, which wasn't as good as you'd hope (but still not as awful as THQ) and was taken by gamergaters as the sort of "forced" apology that I mentioned above. But Intel didn't stop at the apology, and like two months later announced a big diversity initiative, part of which was doing a partnership with Feminist Frequency. It wasn't until that happened that gaters realized that, no, the apology Intel made earlier wasn't "forced", it was genuine, and that Intel wasn't slyly on their side. Which isn't to say that Intel was suddenly back on the side of angels because they donated some money and did a strategic partnership, but it at least burned away all of the good will they'd engendered with a hate mob with their original action. You can't recover from a situation like this without that at the minimum.
I see. It seems that they have more to lose than gain to doing so i think, but that alone could be something to gain in that regards, i can see that situation.
 

StarBot

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I don't know if people brought this up already, but I fucking love how when people are defending 8chan, they always bring up "Well resetera is full of pedos, so if you use it, you must be a pedo too!!" (They also use Reddit as a gothca too)

Never mind the fact that we literally had a thread celebrating loli shit getting banned on Twitter

Also never mind the fact that these are the same people who defend loli and say that's not pedophila
 

m_dorian

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That is a very good start. It should have been earlier but it is a start nonetheless.

Lars Wingeforsz said:
...Even if no one within the THQ Nordic Group would ever endorse such content, I realize simply appearing there gave an implicit impression that we did...
Ofcourse, the THQN execs that participated did endorse the content provided by the nazi/pedophiles of this garbage site so more actions are needed.
 
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Mbolibombo

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Oh definately, I thought they were going to sweep it under the rug for sure.. but they came out (at last)

We'll see what happens in the future.
 

Enzom21

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As Co-Founder and Group CEO of THQ Nordic AB, I take full responsibility for all of THQ Nordic GmbH's actions and communications. I have spent the past several days conducting an internal investigation into this matter. I assure you that every member of the organization has learned from this past week's events. I take this matter very seriously and we will take appropriate action to make sure we have the right policies and systems in place to avoid similar mistakes in the future.
This reads like no one is getting fired for this.
 

Nappael

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I assure you that every member of the organization has learned from this past week's events.
Sure, that's good, but what about reprimanding the people responsible.

At least we have something now, I guess. Still way too fucking soft, though.
 

LewieP

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Utterly feeble.

No discussion of how it actually happened.

No mention of consequences for those responsible.

No acknowledgement that they actively engaged with people discussing "unethical content".

Doesn't change anything in my mind.
 

Jangowuzhere

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"Good start"?

I don't see how an apology that is almost an entire week late is somehow a good start. It's also the most nothing apology as well. This whole event simply does not happen by mistake. A one note apology is not enough. People need to be fired, or at the very least, a detailed breakdown on how the hell this ended up happening.
 

StarBot

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It is quite telling that Jim Sterling is one of the only big youtube gaming channels who has chosen to highlight the disgusting shitshow that is THQ nordic hosting a AMA on 8chan. Meanwhile all the usual suspects are too busy talking about lack of content in Anthem or FFXIV caving to SJW's or whatever the fuck they are all up in arms about. Boogie, Yongyea, HealsvsBabyface, Quartering etc etc....heck even Skillup who's reviews people have been praising in here only cares about EA ceo salary, and not that a publisher has helped promote a site known for CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
Imagine being this level of cunt.
Spawn Wave and ReviewTechUSA talked about it

Rich's audience is turning on him though because "HOW DEAR HE SAID PEDOPHILEA AND KILLING MINORITIES ARE BAD"
 

Alavard

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Even if no one within the THQ Nordic Group would ever endorse such content, I realize simply appearing there gave an implicit impression that we did.
Oh I see, it's just the impression that they endorsed homophobic content like this:

 

Taffy Lewis

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Thanks for the summary, much appreciated. I got banned earlier in the thread, so I couldn't respond to this earlier. When they say that one of the PR folks leans to the "far left", do they elaborate on what makes him "far left"? I don't like the term, but curious about whether they go into any specifics when they label him as such.
I listened to that podcast as well. As far as I remember, they just said that they heard from people that know him that he is supposedly the opposite of a right-winger.
 

misho8723

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You need to understand that in Europe firing someone isn't as easy and fast as in the US.. in some cases, it can take some months to fire someone
 

DrArchon

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They don't need to fire anyone, they can come to an agreement so that the persons in question leave by themselves, that's standard procedure.
Even if they go down that path, you know everyone involved is lawyering up as we speak (assuming they haven't done so already).

If these guys ever leave the company, it's gonna take some time.
 

Spence

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Even if they go down that path, you know everyone involved is lawyering up as we speak (assuming they haven't done so already).

If these guys ever leave the company, it's gonna take some time.
The standard procedure is something along the lines of "We think it's best if you left on your own and here are X months salary as compensation", I think it's rare that someone doesn't agree to that and instead try to fight the company that obviously don't want you there. That is assuming the leadership actually don't want them there.
 

derFeef

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Weaksauce apology.
If no one in the company would endorse such content, it would not have happened.
I wanted to see actions and admissions, but they are painting themselves as the target/victim.
 

Arcus Felis

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Too little, too late, and considering one of the guys who approved this AMA is a big shareholder, from what I've gathered, and is not going anywhere any time soon: I am not accepting their apology and I won't support this company in any way whatsoever if the foreseable future.

It baffles me that since video games are "entertainment" (nevermind the fact that videogames are a form of art and can be used to convey emotions, messages and beliefs) a lot of things are swept under the rug and/or not taken seriously.

This, right here, is unforgivable. There is no going back from this. If any other non-videogame major company did this, their image would have suffered thoroughly, maybe even irrevocably. We are talking about doing an AMA on a forum known for enabling child pedophilia, for Christ's sake! How is this even remotely acceptable, forgivable?

This was not a mistake, as it was demonstrated several times. This was a deliberate decision, one which have brought traffic to an unspeakable place (which should be nuked from the internet).

I'm at a loss for words. I don't have a lot of power, but I will talk about this everytime THQ Nordic comes up in a conversation, in real life or on forums, and I won't support this company in any way.
 

ElMexiMerican

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I don't buy that apology at all. I bet no one at fault had any serious repercussions dealt to them other than being talked to. Definitely sours me on all of this even further, and I really don't want to support them any longer.
 

Hella

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Waypoint's new article on the THQ Nordic apology has sources that contradict what it is saying:

THQ Nordic's 'Apology' Over 8chan Incident Isn't Worthy of Forgiveness
This isn't the bare minimum. The bare minimum involves disclosing steps on how you plan to regain trust.
It’s been nearly a week since THQ Nordic, a publisher with the resources to know better, engaged with a public Q&A on 8chan, an online board best known for credible allegations of hosting child pornography. Hours later, the company issued a frantic apology, but in the days since, THQ Nordic has been quiet. The company has not, according to multiple sources who asked to remaining anonymous out of fear of reprisal, addressed the matter internally.

Today, however, the co-founder and chief executive of THQ Nordic’s parent company, Lars Wingefors, issued a brief statement “regarding the recent AMA event.” It’s worth reading the statement, which was broadly addressed to “group employees, partners and consumers," but largely reads like a letter to shareholders:

[...the statement would go here...]

8chan is not a “controversial” website, a legal-friendly centrist term implying there’s active debate over what 8chan is or isn’t, an ongoing question as to whether a place with pedophile-friendly forums is legit. “Controversy” grants 8chan merit it doesn’t deserve.

[...]

There's more at the jump, with a conclusion that, basically, we shouldn't forget so easily. It's a really good piece; Waypoint's been the vanguard of reporting on this, IMO. (Shoutout to Patrick.)
 

Captain of Outer Space

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It's a better apology than the BS Phillip offered on Day 1 and the CEO's dumb "All you're getting is the PR guy's apology" stance, but they didn't lay out any details on how they're doing a make good. They're changing internal policies, but the three dumbasses still have their jobs and that's all that needs to be said about how much they care about holding people responsible for their awful actions.
 

Menome

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Listened to the Patreon 24-hour early access VideoGamer podcast this evening, and they also don't take THQ's apologies at face value. They pointed out that the 'due diligence' excuse was nonsense as they gave full indication that they knew what they were getting into, and then still participated in the discussion.

The public version should be up tomorrow (Wednesday afternoon, UK time).
 

Just

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User Banned (Permanent): Doubling down on inflammatory accusations and commentary after previously being banned for same.
Look at mister two hundred over there lmao, what a smart boy you are
1 week for this lmao, get fucking real gaming side.
It was interesting to see how easily you may get ban for bringing site's past up, but honestly I'm glad I did it.

It's way too much hypocrisy and bigotry without even acknowledging it. I think my original post getting that kind of reaction indicates how much staff are afraid of that.

Are you referring to the moderator of a different website which was owned by a different guy and who shares none of its staff with this website?
Same staff also did nothing until whole thing was made into public.
 

Mindwipe

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The standard procedure is something along the lines of "We think it's best if you left on your own and here are X months salary as compensation", I think it's rare that someone doesn't agree to that and instead try to fight the company that obviously don't want you there. That is assuming the leadership actually don't want them there.
That's constructive dismissal. That's illegal in most European countries without a clear chain of multiple warnings, investigations etc.
 

stan423321

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The standard procedure is something along the lines of "We think it's best if you left on your own and here are X months salary as compensation", I think it's rare that someone doesn't agree to that and instead try to fight the company that obviously don't want you there. That is assuming the leadership actually don't want them there.
The more posts I read, the clearer it is that people around the world have very different ideas on how work works. The seemingly obvious standard, no-nonsense way of firing a person doing their job badly is to announce it three months prior. This exit bonus sort of thing sounds more like an implied settlement than a job termination.
 

svacina

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The more posts I read, the clearer it is that people around the world have very different ideas on how work works. The seemingly obvious standard, no-nonsense way of firing a person doing their job badly is to announce it three months prior. This exit bonus sort of thing sounds more like an implied settlement than a job termination.
Two months.
 

Spence

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That's constructive dismissal. That's illegal in most European countries without a clear chain of multiple warnings, investigations etc.
No it's not illegal to suggest an employee to leave and get compensation for it.

The more posts I read, the clearer it is that people around the world have very different ideas on how work works. The seemingly obvious standard, no-nonsense way of firing a person doing their job badly is to announce it three months prior. This exit bonus sort of thing sounds more like an implied settlement than a job termination.
Of course it's a settlement. In europe you can not just give a 3 month notice and fire someone, the employee has a lot of protection. First in last out principle applies as long as there are positions the employee have sufficient competence for. But it's not unheard of reaching a settlement if things just aren't working out.
 

stan423321

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No it's not illegal to suggest an employee to leave and get compensation for it.



Of course it's a settlement. In europe you can not just give a 3 month notice and fire someone, the employee has a lot of protection. First in last out principle applies as long as there are positions the employee have sufficient competence for. But it's not unheard of reaching a settlement if things just aren't working out.
"Europe" is not such a coarse thing you seem to imply it is, that's for sure.