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THQ Nordic holding an AMA on... 8chan (UP: website linked to multiple mass shootings) READ THREADMARKS
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"haha, that kidder Johnny Jewhunter with his jokes, what would we do without him"
THQ has no defense but they also have no shame. Anyone that participated or condoned this AMA should feel miserable about themselves, it was not a mistake.
THQ is a trash company. I'd like to see some jobs lost over this. I really shudder at thinking due to this incident how many trash human beings just found their hellish paradise. Is there nothing any government can do to shut that place down?
With that said, I've read some comments on this thread that deeply concern me.
With that said, I've read some comments on this thread that deeply concern me.
Not giving them money is the most direct way I can impact the situation, not sure what else you want.
I guess the disconnect is the assumption is that THQN didn't expect any negative news articles about it at all, and the mere existence of negative coverage and adjustment of buying habits from readers as a result will cause the executives to take note of it being a bad move and never try that again. That they knew what that website is but didn't know that it was seen so negatively.
I'm skeptical because of how little they've done as a company to distance themselves from this, how little their business partners have done to distance themselves from it, and it doesn't seem like even the people who write about video games care enough to know the details or say that much about it. It's the type of response that comes from an understanding of them only slightly crossing the line, even though the line should be miles away from where they are now.
That's a problem you or I can't solve by just personally adjusting our buying habits. I don't know how to address the problem without more knowledge of the situation within the industry, but coverage like Giant Bomb's makes me believe we're not even on the same page of the scope of the problem. And I'm worried it's not going to be any easier addressing it months from now when they or someone else crosses the line again, but just not quite as far.
But if all you care about is your own buying habits, I suppose their coverage might have been adequate, at least for you, and I'm certainly not suggesting everyone needs to go on an activist crusade for this. Right now, i'd just be happy with an understanding that there needs to be something more in general, even though most of us probably don't know what that should be.
Yeah it's pretty clear that something should be done about this beyond me just not buying their games, but I don't have a platform to do that, and I don't need other platform-holders to tell me what I already know. I don't expect Giant Bomb specifically to be the place for that change to originate from, so they're not falling short of my expectations -- because I never had them in the first place -- on this particular issue.
Now if Waypoint decides to cover a THQN game in the future, especially without context or from a perspective that ignores what THQN did, that's a real problem.
And really, it IS up to us to amend our buying habits to send a message. Whether or not enough of us do that is another matter.
I see. It seems that they have more to lose than gain to doing so i think, but that alone could be something to gain in that regards, i can see that situation.
I don't know if people brought this up already, but I fucking love how when people are defending 8chan, they always bring up "Well resetera is full of pedos, so if you use it, you must be a pedo too!!" (They also use Reddit as a gothca too)
Never mind the fact that we literally had a thread celebrating loli shit getting banned on Twitter
Also never mind the fact that these are the same people who defend loli and say that's not pedophila
Never mind the fact that we literally had a thread celebrating loli shit getting banned on Twitter
Also never mind the fact that these are the same people who defend loli and say that's not pedophila
That is a very good start. It should have been earlier but it is a start nonetheless.
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Ofcourse, the THQN execs that participated did endorse the content provided by the nazi/pedophiles of this garbage site so more actions are needed.
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Oh definately, I thought they were going to sweep it under the rug for sure.. but they came out (at last)
We'll see what happens in the future.
We'll see what happens in the future.
This reads like no one is getting fired for this.
Sure, that's good, but what about reprimanding the people responsible.
At least we have something now, I guess. Still way too fucking soft, though.
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It's an apology, but it's not enough, and it misrepresents what the intentions of those who took part in the AMA.
Good start, but late and not enough. Now fire all the people involved.
Sounds like it if the person involved in that AMA is still with the company. Given that place's reputation, you know what the fuck youre going there for and who you intend to interact with.
"Good start"?
I don't see how an apology that is almost an entire week late is somehow a good start. It's also the most nothing apology as well. This whole event simply does not happen by mistake. A one note apology is not enough. People need to be fired, or at the very least, a detailed breakdown on how the hell this ended up happening.
I don't see how an apology that is almost an entire week late is somehow a good start. It's also the most nothing apology as well. This whole event simply does not happen by mistake. A one note apology is not enough. People need to be fired, or at the very least, a detailed breakdown on how the hell this ended up happening.
It reads like we won't hear about it in a big press release but it might happen quietly
Spawn Wave and ReviewTechUSA talked about it
Rich's audience is turning on him though because "HOW DEAR HE SAID PEDOPHILEA AND KILLING MINORITIES ARE BAD"
I am glad they finally responded it was ok, Hopefully there are firings that happen there. Should have came sooner but businesses can move slow
Oh I see, it's just the impression that they endorsed homophobic content like this:
Fucking what? You LITERALLY responded to 'Cease your fa****ry' and 'Big tiddy lolis' along with some other stupid bullshit, not just questions about vidya games. What part of that was not endorsing such garbage content?
Fuck your bullshit THQN.
I listened to that podcast as well. As far as I remember, they just said that they heard from people that know him that he is supposedly the opposite of a right-winger.
That apology sounds like "Fuck, this isn't blowing over as we hoped". I still refuse to take them for their word and support them.
They don't need to fire anyone, they can come to an agreement so that the persons in question leave by themselves, that's standard procedure.
Yeah I saw that. At least he can now clean out the bad part of his audience.
Even if they go down that path, you know everyone involved is lawyering up as we speak (assuming they haven't done so already).
If these guys ever leave the company, it's gonna take some time.
The standard procedure is something along the lines of "We think it's best if you left on your own and here are X months salary as compensation", I think it's rare that someone doesn't agree to that and instead try to fight the company that obviously don't want you there. That is assuming the leadership actually don't want them there.
So nothing substantial to actually back up the post I quoted. Thanks for the information and for taking the time to reply, much appreciated :)
Too little, too late, and considering one of the guys who approved this AMA is a big shareholder, from what I've gathered, and is not going anywhere any time soon: I am not accepting their apology and I won't support this company in any way whatsoever if the foreseable future.
It baffles me that since video games are "entertainment" (nevermind the fact that videogames are a form of art and can be used to convey emotions, messages and beliefs) a lot of things are swept under the rug and/or not taken seriously.
This, right here, is unforgivable. There is no going back from this. If any other non-videogame major company did this, their image would have suffered thoroughly, maybe even irrevocably. We are talking about doing an AMA on a forum known for enabling child pedophilia, for Christ's sake! How is this even remotely acceptable, forgivable?
This was not a mistake, as it was demonstrated several times. This was a deliberate decision, one which have brought traffic to an unspeakable place (which should be nuked from the internet).
I'm at a loss for words. I don't have a lot of power, but I will talk about this everytime THQ Nordic comes up in a conversation, in real life or on forums, and I won't support this company in any way.
It baffles me that since video games are "entertainment" (nevermind the fact that videogames are a form of art and can be used to convey emotions, messages and beliefs) a lot of things are swept under the rug and/or not taken seriously.
This, right here, is unforgivable. There is no going back from this. If any other non-videogame major company did this, their image would have suffered thoroughly, maybe even irrevocably. We are talking about doing an AMA on a forum known for enabling child pedophilia, for Christ's sake! How is this even remotely acceptable, forgivable?
This was not a mistake, as it was demonstrated several times. This was a deliberate decision, one which have brought traffic to an unspeakable place (which should be nuked from the internet).
I'm at a loss for words. I don't have a lot of power, but I will talk about this everytime THQ Nordic comes up in a conversation, in real life or on forums, and I won't support this company in any way.
I don't buy that apology at all. I bet no one at fault had any serious repercussions dealt to them other than being talked to. Definitely sours me on all of this even further, and I really don't want to support them any longer.
Waypoint's new article on the THQ Nordic apology has sources that contradict what it is saying:
THQ Nordic's 'Apology' Over 8chan Incident Isn't Worthy of Forgiveness
There's more at the jump, with a conclusion that, basically, we shouldn't forget so easily. It's a really good piece; Waypoint's been the vanguard of reporting on this, IMO. (Shoutout to Patrick.)
THQ Nordic's 'Apology' Over 8chan Incident Isn't Worthy of Forgiveness
This isn't the bare minimum. The bare minimum involves disclosing steps on how you plan to regain trust.
There's more at the jump, with a conclusion that, basically, we shouldn't forget so easily. It's a really good piece; Waypoint's been the vanguard of reporting on this, IMO. (Shoutout to Patrick.)
It's a better apology than the BS Phillip offered on Day 1 and the CEO's dumb "All you're getting is the PR guy's apology" stance, but they didn't lay out any details on how they're doing a make good. They're changing internal policies, but the three dumbasses still have their jobs and that's all that needs to be said about how much they care about holding people responsible for their awful actions.
Listened to the Patreon 24-hour early access VideoGamer podcast this evening, and they also don't take THQ's apologies at face value. They pointed out that the 'due diligence' excuse was nonsense as they gave full indication that they knew what they were getting into, and then still participated in the discussion.
The public version should be up tomorrow (Wednesday afternoon, UK time).
The public version should be up tomorrow (Wednesday afternoon, UK time).
User Banned (Permanent): Doubling down on inflammatory accusations and commentary after previously being banned for same.
It was interesting to see how easily you may get ban for bringing site's past up, but honestly I'm glad I did it.
It's way too much hypocrisy and bigotry without even acknowledging it. I think my original post getting that kind of reaction indicates how much staff are afraid of that.
Same staff also did nothing until whole thing was made into public.
That's constructive dismissal. That's illegal in most European countries without a clear chain of multiple warnings, investigations etc.
The more posts I read, the clearer it is that people around the world have very different ideas on how work works. The seemingly obvious standard, no-nonsense way of firing a person doing their job badly is to announce it three months prior. This exit bonus sort of thing sounds more like an implied settlement than a job termination.
No it's not illegal to suggest an employee to leave and get compensation for it.
Of course it's a settlement. In europe you can not just give a 3 month notice and fire someone, the employee has a lot of protection. First in last out principle applies as long as there are positions the employee have sufficient competence for. But it's not unheard of reaching a settlement if things just aren't working out.
"Europe" is not such a coarse thing you seem to imply it is, that's for sure.