As someone who's never played the originals or has the slightest clue what they are, this looks terrible.
Now, I'm curious about the originals though based on what people are saying here. I assume they are PC-only (but probably playable on anything at this point by the looks of its graphics) so maybe I can get the first one going on my shitty work desktop...so...fans, sell me on this? The name sure is cool!
You can't use the "it's a prototype" excuse to hand wave issues when the entire point of the prototype is to solicit feedback. They're getting feedback. They missed the mark. They aren't even close.
Yes but people are saying it doesn't look like Gothic but like???? Wtf it's not supposed to look 1:1 to the final game. This is probably a months worth of work at most.
Hey thanks that sounds pretty interesting really. I assume they're PC only right? The first two I mean. I'd like to eventually check them out in order.
Many people just choose not to give their money to a company that thought it was a good idea to host an AMA on that piece of shit website. If you want to get defensive about it, that's on you.
Yes but people are saying it doesn't look like Gothic but like???? Wtf it's not supposed to look 1:1 to the final game. This is probably a months worth of work at most.
The look is the least of this teaser's concerns. That said, the opening alone showcases a stark difference in atmosphere that can't just be boiled down to it being a teaser. They deliberately chose to make changes to the atmosphere and tone that have nothing to do with how long they spent working on it.
I don't think anyone expects it to be identical, they expect it to be somewhat recognizable, which it isn't.
I bought Gothic 3 a while back to dip my toes in the water in consideration to getting Elex. I really liked it, but it's also kind of hard to play nowadays, and I'm someone who's usually all-in on janky old RPGs. A remake would be killer.
Hey thanks that sounds pretty interesting really. I assume they're PC only right? The first two I mean. I'd like to eventually check them out in order.
Yes, Gothic 1 and Gothic 2 + NotR are PC exclusive. Controlscheme takes quite some getting used to. Wildlife will be a legit threat to you so be careful.
One word of warning. You may need to do some tweaks on Steam to get them running, there are community patches that fix the games up nicely. GOG versions should work right out of the gate. You're in for a ride either way. Hope you enjoy Gothic!
One word of warning. You may need to do some tweaks on Steam to get them running, there are community patches that fix the games up nicely. GOG versions should work right out of the gate. You're in for a ride either way. Hope you enjoy Gothic!
They are also on sale on GOG so you're in luck. If you still have any issues with those versions just look up the community patches. Similar to Elder Scrolls games in that they fix a lot of crashes and bugs. The ones for the first game also enables 60fps since it's originally capped at 25 for some reason.
Well I'm glad I suppressed my excitement. Gothic 1 and 2 are 2 of my favorite games and some of the only games I own multiple physical copies of. This isn't what I want. Maybe they can turn it around but unless more is shown I can't see why I would believe that.
I honestly don't think Gothic needs a remake though. A remaster with actual jank fixes and some added cut stuff would be nice but aside from that I don't know I'd want anything changed in the original. I am one of the people that likes the controls though so take that as you will. But even aside from that I don't think the game needs any streamlining/redesigning and doing so would take away from it. Even aditional menus and UI.
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Well I'm glad I suppressed my excitement. Gothic 1 and 2 are 2 of my favorite games and some of the only games I own multiple physical copies of. This isn't what I want. Maybe they can turn it around but unless more is shown I can't see why I would believe that.
I honestly don't think Gothic needs a remake though. A remaster with actual jank fixes and some added cut stuff would be nice but aside from that I don't know I'd want anything changed in the original. I am one of the people that likes the controls though so take that as you will. But even aside from that I don't think the game needs any streamlining/redesigning and doing so would take away from it. Even aditional menus and UI.
Pretty much the bolded. Just played through G1 this year again and it is still fantastic if you can live with the jank. There are mods that actually add some cut content. The DX11 renderer alone just adds a whole lot to the game.
Well I can and do, but I know that most people won't. I'm not one for changing actual gameplay stuff for accessibility reasons but making it easier for someone to just see it on the store and play the game without needing the most recent community patches and modifying some files to get it to on a modern system/with higher resolution would be nice.
Well I can and do, but I know that most people won't. I'm not one for changing actual gameplay stuff for accessibility reasons but making it easier for someone to just see it on the store and play the game without needing the most recent community patches and modifying some files to get it to on a modern system/with higher resolution would be nice.
GOG does that for you. And tbh this is a cult classic. Staying true to the original wouldn't set the charts on fire which is clearly what TH8chan is aiming for. And changing the story is a big no no for me as well. Is the original perfect? No, not even close. But it tried to be something different and stayed true to that idea. This "remake" is looking like its trying to appeal to the widest possible audience.
Well I can and do, but I know that most people won't. I'm not one for changing actual gameplay stuff for accessibility reasons but making it easier for someone to just see it on the store and play the game without needing the most recent community patches and modifying some files to get it to on a modern system/with higher resolution would be nice.
A touched up re-release of the original trilogy would be day 1 for me at almost any price. Sadly it doesn't look like that's the vision for this thing.
Puh... I have only watched a bit of it but I don't think they will be able to capture the magic of the original anymore. The first game is one of my favorite RPG's ever - and I played it after Skyrim released. I would like a remaster like SotC though, with as little as possible changed besides updated graphics and controls.
Ok, I actually tried the demo instead of relying on youtube videos now.
It's incredibly disappointing in every possible way.
For anyone in this thread who's chiming in to say something like "Yeah, I never played Gothic but this looks bad" let me answer "No, you don't get it at all".
The way it looks is basically the LEAST of its problems. In fact I would mostly be fine with the current look. The problem is everything else.
This prototype is almost antithetical to anything that made Gothic a classic.
Over-exposition, overly chatty NPCs, an invasive UI leading you by the nose, invisible walls and "architectonic barriers" made by three crates in a row, getting a weapon and fighting dangerous enemies from the get go instead of making clear from the beginning that you are NOT special and in fact weak as a kitten at first, etc, etc.
It's not just bad, it feels almost insulting to think that someone worked on this and genuinely thought "We are totally updating a dated design" as the dev message at the beginning suggested.
The Kingdom of Myrtana has been invaded by an implacable horde of orcs. King Rhobar II, in need of a large quantity of magical ore in order to forge powerful weapons, operates the Khorinis mines with all available prisoners.
I completely agree. But I would also say that changing a lot of the what seems like archaic gameplay is also a big no for me. System level stuff like quest trackers/ui elements, to gameplay stuff like invisible walls and the lack of actual danger are all things I feel would take away from what made Gothic Gothic imo.
Won't be done by PB (and to be quite frank, many of the people that made G1 + 2 special are not part of PB anymore).
For anyone curious, there are lots of great mods in the work for the original game. And if interested you can even track down the alpha release of the original Gothic "2" (Gothic Sequel). Those things show a lot more promise than whatever the hell this is.
It doesn't really matter, honestly. It could be PB and I would tell them the same negative things.
In the same way i would welcome any new studio who could get it right.
A: THQ Nordic Barcelona. You can find out more about the studio at www.thqnordicbarcelona.com (Hint: We are looking to grow our team)
Q: Is Piranha Bytes involved in the project?
A: No! Piranha Bytes is working hard on a different project, which will be announced in 2020.
Q: Wait, why can we only play two hours?
A: Because it’s just a prototype, done by a new small team in Barcelona and we wanted to do an unusual approach and give this into the hands of players early. What you are going to play is all we have to show you at the moment.
Q: Ok, got it. But if we want the full game, how long do we have to wait?
A: Quite some time. We will only start full production if the community demands a Gothic Remake. In order to do so, we will need to grow the development team and rebuild Gothic from scratch.
Q: This can become a remastered HD version of Gothic?
A: We’d like to call it a remake. We are using a completely new tech (Unreal Engine 4) and so basically nothing but the story, the setting, the atmosphere, the music and the world of Gothic will remain. The whole tech, all graphics, the sound, different systems will be recreated according to modern high quality standards.
getting a weapon and fighting dangerous enemies from the get go instead of making clear from the beginning that you are NOT special and in fact weak as a kitten at first, etc, etc.
Well that right there killed my interest in this. Hopefully they'll reevaluate and do things correctly. The sense of danger and being a completely useless fighter is one of the key aspects of Gothic. This is the one thing I'm not willing to accept as a change personally. You NEED to start off a weakling.
Well that right there killed my interest in this. Hopefully they'll reevaluate and do things correctly. The sense of danger and being a completely useless fighter is one of the key aspects of Gothic. This is the one thing I'm not willing to accept as a change personally. You NEED to start off a weakling.
Still amazing to me that the idea of progressively more capable animations with increasing skills haven't really been copied. That's like such a small but neat idea that adds a whole lot to the experience in any game (with weapon skills that is).
Ok, I actually tried the demo instead of relying on youtube videos now.
It's incredibly disappointing in every possible way.
For anyone in this thread who's chiming in to say something like "Yeah, I never played Gothic but this looks bad" let me answer "No, you don't get it at all".
The way it looks is basically the LEAST of its problems. In fact I would mostly be fine with the current look. The problem is everything else.
This prototype is almost antithetical to anything that made Gothic a classic.
Over-exposition, overly chatty NPCs, an invasive UI leading you by the nose, invisible walls and "architectonic barriers" made by three crates in a row, getting a weapon and fighting dangerous enemies from the get go instead of making clear from the beginning that you are NOT special and in fact weak as a kitten at first, etc, etc.
It's not just bad, it feels almost insulting to think that someone worked on this and genuinely thought "We are totally updating a dated design" as the dev message at the beginning suggested.
Wasn't much of a fan of the forced dialogue that wasn't there before but I could live with it, the other issues are pretty major to me though. It's pretty on rails in the beginning and you don't actually get to the point of seeing the old camp but that does look like the game must open up later on. The fact that you can fairly easily kill a snapper in the demo is anathema.
There should be a lot more wild animals that pose a threat to you, you shouldn't be able to sneak or pick locks right away, the exploration should feel more rewarding there's just less stuff to pick up and when there was any verticality it felt very designed rather than something you weren't supposed to find but stumbled upon anyway.
Well that right there killed my interest in this. Hopefully they'll reevaluate and do things correctly. The sense of danger and being a completely useless fighter is one of the key aspects of Gothic. This is the one thing I'm not willing to accept as a change personally. You NEED to start off a weakling.
I killed 3 wolves with the broken sword the game gives you at the beginning. You can also enter the inventory at any time and spam healing items. I remember when I played the original Gothic I was terrified to go into the woods to fight even one wolf.
Risen 1 is fantastic. I even enjoyed Risen 3 and Elex. I think PB's biggest misstep to date is Risen 2. With that said nothing they have made past Gothic 2 was ever as good. I don't think any developer or PB can ever capture that magic again sadly, at least not if they want to sell copies to a modern audience.
Still amazing to me that the idea of progressively more capable animations with increasing skills haven't really been copied. That's like such a small but neat idea that adds a whole lot to the experience in any game (with weapon skills that is).
It really is a great system. The problem with most action RPGs now is that developers want to start you off as a demigod and end you off as a total god. Skill points as just something that makes the damage numbers higher, rather than actual mechanical effectiveness. Which is a shame.
I killed 3 wolves with the broken sword the game gives you at the beginning. You can also enter the inventory at any time and spam healing items. I remember when I played the original Gothic I was terrified to go into the woods to fight even one wolf.
Yeah, screw that. I'm not sure how you can claim to want to remake a game, yet brush aside such a fundamental aspect of it's identity and progression. Go back to the drawing board and try again, or just scrap it and make something original if they don't think it will sell.
Huh... not done by PB, not really a close remaster/remake of the original.. so this is just putting the Gothic name on some product again then? Götterdämmerung and Arcania were already excellent ideas....
Okay I feel I get too negative, I should play the demo first. The for honor combat looks interesting.
Gothic 1 + 2 remasters have been a long wish of mine. Hearing the impressions that so much is changed is really bumming me out though, hopefully it wouldn't be like that in an actual product
Ugh what the hell is up with that broken arch. Like what?
Also for a remake I guess I should probably be able to tell what location that is supposed to be but I don't have any clue. Is that the broken bridge on the way to the Old Camp?