THQ Nordic releases Gothic remake prototype for PC to gauge interest in full-scale production (see threadmark)

ConfusedOwl

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As someone who's never played the originals or has the slightest clue what they are, this looks terrible.

Now, I'm curious about the originals though based on what people are saying here. I assume they are PC-only (but probably playable on anything at this point by the looks of its graphics) so maybe I can get the first one going on my shitty work desktop...so...fans, sell me on this? The name sure is cool!
  • Amazing Atmosphere and world building
  • World feels alive and is all handmade
  • Loot is meaningful, every new weapon and piece of armour is important
  • No hand holding. Both games start out very hard and the power gain is very satisfying.
  • Great music
  • Clunky but rewarding combat. Gaining skills changes your fighting animations, which to my knowledge no games after it has done
EDIT: PC only.
 

Komo

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You can't use the "it's a prototype" excuse to hand wave issues when the entire point of the prototype is to solicit feedback. They're getting feedback. They missed the mark. They aren't even close.
Yes but people are saying it doesn't look like Gothic but like???? Wtf it's not supposed to look 1:1 to the final game. This is probably a months worth of work at most.
 

Htown

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THQ is evil and you must boycott all their games. This is according to many users here.
You don't have to do anything.

Many people just choose not to give their money to a company that thought it was a good idea to host an AMA on that piece of shit website. If you want to get defensive about it, that's on you.
 

Dr.Acula

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Excellent, I tried playing Gothic a few months ago but had to refund it because it crashed constantly.
 

Gush

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Yes but people are saying it doesn't look like Gothic but like???? Wtf it's not supposed to look 1:1 to the final game. This is probably a months worth of work at most.
The look is the least of this teaser's concerns. That said, the opening alone showcases a stark difference in atmosphere that can't just be boiled down to it being a teaser. They deliberately chose to make changes to the atmosphere and tone that have nothing to do with how long they spent working on it.

I don't think anyone expects it to be identical, they expect it to be somewhat recognizable, which it isn't.
 

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I bought Gothic 3 a while back to dip my toes in the water in consideration to getting Elex. I really liked it, but it's also kind of hard to play nowadays, and I'm someone who's usually all-in on janky old RPGs. A remake would be killer.
 
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  • Amazing Atmosphere and world building
  • World feels alive and is all handmade
  • Loot is meaningful, every new weapon and piece of armour is important
  • No hand holding. Both games start out very hard and the power gain is very satisfying.
  • Great music
  • Clunky but rewarding combat. Gaining skills changes your fighting animations, which to my knowledge no games after it has done
EDIT: PC only.
Yum yum yuuuum...that sounds good.

And yeah, it costs peanuts on Steam right now, will just buy Gothic 1 and try it out sometime soon.
 

ConfusedOwl

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Yum yum yuuuum...that sounds good.

And yeah, it costs peanuts on Steam right now, will just buy Gothic 1 and try it out sometime soon.
One word of warning. You may need to do some tweaks on Steam to get them running, there are community patches that fix the games up nicely. GOG versions should work right out of the gate. You're in for a ride either way. Hope you enjoy Gothic!
 
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One word of warning. You may need to do some tweaks on Steam to get them running, there are community patches that fix the games up nicely. GOG versions should work right out of the gate. You're in for a ride either way. Hope you enjoy Gothic!
I haven't bought more than a game or two from GOG but I'll try that instead then. I'm sure they're still cheap, I'll check when I get home.
 

YawZah

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I can't believe it!! Literally one of the best games ever, really looking forward to this!
 

ConfusedOwl

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I haven't bought more than a game or two from GOG but I'll try that instead then. I'm sure they're still cheap, I'll check when I get home.
They are also on sale on GOG so you're in luck. If you still have any issues with those versions just look up the community patches. Similar to Elder Scrolls games in that they fix a lot of crashes and bugs. The ones for the first game also enables 60fps since it's originally capped at 25 for some reason.

EDIT: Gothic 1 SystemPack and PlayerKit.
 

Bundy

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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! And it looks good! Day 1, baby.
Gothic is amazing. Gothic 2 and 3 next, please!!!!!!
 

apathetic

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Well I'm glad I suppressed my excitement. Gothic 1 and 2 are 2 of my favorite games and some of the only games I own multiple physical copies of. This isn't what I want. Maybe they can turn it around but unless more is shown I can't see why I would believe that.

I honestly don't think Gothic needs a remake though. A remaster with actual jank fixes and some added cut stuff would be nice but aside from that I don't know I'd want anything changed in the original. I am one of the people that likes the controls though so take that as you will. But even aside from that I don't think the game needs any streamlining/redesigning and doing so would take away from it. Even aditional menus and UI.
 

unknownspectator

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Wow, people forget so fast.....

Before you purchase any THQ Nordic games, you should be aware of what you are supporting: THQ Nordic holding an AMA on... 8chan (UP: website linked to multiple mass shootings)

This summary post was written by several users to provide the appropriate context to what occurred so that people can make a well-informed opinion.

Mod statement: "To address a few recurring points: We will not be banning games published by THQ Nordic and subsidiaries like Deep Silver. You are instead welcome to continue raising the issue in threads relevant to the publisher and its games."

If you use Steam and want to ignore all games that THQ Nordic publishes, go to their publisher page while you're logged in, then click on the little gear icon below where it says "Beta" and choose "Ignore this creator."
____________________________________________________________________________________________

These games are being published by THQ Nordic. For those who may not be aware or who may have forgotten, THQ Nordic had a marketing effort where it intended to gain attention using a website that is known primarily for its support of child pornography, as well as for support of Neo-Nazism, doxxing, and other extremely damaging behaviors.

The individuals involved posted under multiple accounts, a few of which being THQN_Phillip (PR marketing director), THQN_Reinhard (Business & Product Development Director/Executive Producer at THQ Nordic), and THQN_Fabian, where they openly responded to posts including homophobia, racial slurs, and content involving underage children. They continued responding to these awful posts with a tone of jocularity, even going so far as to agree with these users.

THQ Nordic has provided no response to this fiasco except for a very shallow apology claiming they did not do enough research. As the website is unlisted by Google, they spoke directly to the board owner about removing "nasty stuff". They had also liked a tweet saying that critics of their choice to have an AMA on that site were "sensitive Simons". They knew exactly what they were doing--this was an intentional choice.



THQ Nordic has not dealt with the individuals responsible, and they did little to refute their actions. Consider that by supporting their games, you are supporting a publisher that openly embraces all the horrible things that website stands for.







 

Airbar

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Well I'm glad I suppressed my excitement. Gothic 1 and 2 are 2 of my favorite games and some of the only games I own multiple physical copies of. This isn't what I want. Maybe they can turn it around but unless more is shown I can't see why I would believe that.

I honestly don't think Gothic needs a remake though. A remaster with actual jank fixes and some added cut stuff would be nice but aside from that I don't know I'd want anything changed in the original. I am one of the people that likes the controls though so take that as you will. But even aside from that I don't think the game needs any streamlining/redesigning and doing so would take away from it. Even aditional menus and UI.
Pretty much the bolded. Just played through G1 this year again and it is still fantastic if you can live with the jank. There are mods that actually add some cut content. The DX11 renderer alone just adds a whole lot to the game.
 

Charpunk

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Anyway...

This teaser is pretty damn awesome so far. Hopefully it turns into a full product.
 

apathetic

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Just played through G1 this year again and it is still fantastic if you can live with the jank.
Well I can and do, but I know that most people won't. I'm not one for changing actual gameplay stuff for accessibility reasons but making it easier for someone to just see it on the store and play the game without needing the most recent community patches and modifying some files to get it to on a modern system/with higher resolution would be nice.
 

Airbar

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Well I can and do, but I know that most people won't. I'm not one for changing actual gameplay stuff for accessibility reasons but making it easier for someone to just see it on the store and play the game without needing the most recent community patches and modifying some files to get it to on a modern system/with higher resolution would be nice.
GOG does that for you. And tbh this is a cult classic. Staying true to the original wouldn't set the charts on fire which is clearly what TH8chan is aiming for. And changing the story is a big no no for me as well. Is the original perfect? No, not even close. But it tried to be something different and stayed true to that idea. This "remake" is looking like its trying to appeal to the widest possible audience.
 

ConfusedOwl

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Well I can and do, but I know that most people won't. I'm not one for changing actual gameplay stuff for accessibility reasons but making it easier for someone to just see it on the store and play the game without needing the most recent community patches and modifying some files to get it to on a modern system/with higher resolution would be nice.
A touched up re-release of the original trilogy would be day 1 for me at almost any price. Sadly it doesn't look like that's the vision for this thing.
 

Ravio-li

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Puh... I have only watched a bit of it but I don't think they will be able to capture the magic of the original anymore. The first game is one of my favorite RPG's ever - and I played it after Skyrim released. I would like a remaster like SotC though, with as little as possible changed besides updated graphics and controls.
 
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Ok, I actually tried the demo instead of relying on youtube videos now.
It's incredibly disappointing in every possible way.

For anyone in this thread who's chiming in to say something like "Yeah, I never played Gothic but this looks bad" let me answer "No, you don't get it at all".
The way it looks is basically the LEAST of its problems. In fact I would mostly be fine with the current look. The problem is everything else.

This prototype is almost antithetical to anything that made Gothic a classic.

Over-exposition, overly chatty NPCs, an invasive UI leading you by the nose, invisible walls and "architectonic barriers" made by three crates in a row, getting a weapon and fighting dangerous enemies from the get go instead of making clear from the beginning that you are NOT special and in fact weak as a kitten at first, etc, etc.
It's not just bad, it feels almost insulting to think that someone worked on this and genuinely thought "We are totally updating a dated design" as the dev message at the beginning suggested.
 

Rynam

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Strange, I don't find it and I have everything from them besides Elex.
Do you have a Play Now button on its store page tho?
 

apathetic

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And changing the story is a big no no for me as well.
I completely agree. But I would also say that changing a lot of the what seems like archaic gameplay is also a big no for me. System level stuff like quest trackers/ui elements, to gameplay stuff like invisible walls and the lack of actual danger are all things I feel would take away from what made Gothic Gothic imo.
 

Airbar

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Yeah, thanks!

According to GameStar this is NOT from Piranha Bytes, but a new Spanish Studio. Not sure if the actual development would be done by them or PB.
Won't be done by PB (and to be quite frank, many of the people that made G1 + 2 special are not part of PB anymore).

For anyone curious, there are lots of great mods in the work for the original game. And if interested you can even track down the alpha release of the original Gothic "2" (Gothic Sequel). Those things show a lot more promise than whatever the hell this is.
 
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Yeah, thanks! I have looked a bit to early on Steam, wasn't there before.

According to GameStar this is NOT from Piranha Bytes, but a new Spanish Studio. Not sure if the actual development would be done by them or PB.
It doesn't really matter, honestly. It could be PB and I would tell them the same negative things.
In the same way i would welcome any new studio who could get it right.
 

Rynam

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Yeah, thanks!

According to GameStar this is NOT from Piranha Bytes, but a new Spanish Studio. Not sure if the actual development would be done by them or PB.
Won't be done by PB, they're not involved at all.
FAQ said:
Q: Who is developing this project?

A: THQ Nordic Barcelona. You can find out more about the studio at www.thqnordicbarcelona.com (Hint: We are looking to grow our team)

Q: Is Piranha Bytes involved in the project?

A: No! Piranha Bytes is working hard on a different project, which will be announced in 2020.

Q: Wait, why can we only play two hours?

A: Because it’s just a prototype, done by a new small team in Barcelona and we wanted to do an unusual approach and give this into the hands of players early. What you are going to play is all we have to show you at the moment.

Q: Ok, got it. But if we want the full game, how long do we have to wait?

A: Quite some time. We will only start full production if the community demands a Gothic Remake. In order to do so, we will need to grow the development team and rebuild Gothic from scratch.

Q: This can become a remastered HD version of Gothic?

A: We’d like to call it a remake. We are using a completely new tech (Unreal Engine 4) and so basically nothing but the story, the setting, the atmosphere, the music and the world of Gothic will remain. The whole tech, all graphics, the sound, different systems will be recreated according to modern high quality standards.
 

Reddaye

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getting a weapon and fighting dangerous enemies from the get go instead of making clear from the beginning that you are NOT special and in fact weak as a kitten at first, etc, etc.
Well that right there killed my interest in this. Hopefully they'll reevaluate and do things correctly. The sense of danger and being a completely useless fighter is one of the key aspects of Gothic. This is the one thing I'm not willing to accept as a change personally. You NEED to start off a weakling.
 

Airbar

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Well that right there killed my interest in this. Hopefully they'll reevaluate and do things correctly. The sense of danger and being a completely useless fighter is one of the key aspects of Gothic. This is the one thing I'm not willing to accept as a change personally. You NEED to start off a weakling.
Still amazing to me that the idea of progressively more capable animations with increasing skills haven't really been copied. That's like such a small but neat idea that adds a whole lot to the experience in any game (with weapon skills that is).
 

Artdayne

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Ok, I actually tried the demo instead of relying on youtube videos now.
It's incredibly disappointing in every possible way.

For anyone in this thread who's chiming in to say something like "Yeah, I never played Gothic but this looks bad" let me answer "No, you don't get it at all".
The way it looks is basically the LEAST of its problems. In fact I would mostly be fine with the current look. The problem is everything else.

This prototype is almost antithetical to anything that made Gothic a classic.

Over-exposition, overly chatty NPCs, an invasive UI leading you by the nose, invisible walls and "architectonic barriers" made by three crates in a row, getting a weapon and fighting dangerous enemies from the get go instead of making clear from the beginning that you are NOT special and in fact weak as a kitten at first, etc, etc.
It's not just bad, it feels almost insulting to think that someone worked on this and genuinely thought "We are totally updating a dated design" as the dev message at the beginning suggested.
Wasn't much of a fan of the forced dialogue that wasn't there before but I could live with it, the other issues are pretty major to me though. It's pretty on rails in the beginning and you don't actually get to the point of seeing the old camp but that does look like the game must open up later on. The fact that you can fairly easily kill a snapper in the demo is anathema.

There should be a lot more wild animals that pose a threat to you, you shouldn't be able to sneak or pick locks right away, the exploration should feel more rewarding there's just less stuff to pick up and when there was any verticality it felt very designed rather than something you weren't supposed to find but stumbled upon anyway.
 

Artdayne

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Closest thing to a Gothic 1 remake is Risen 1. Both games are great but Risen 1 falls apart more so at the end.
 

ConfusedOwl

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Well that right there killed my interest in this. Hopefully they'll reevaluate and do things correctly. The sense of danger and being a completely useless fighter is one of the key aspects of Gothic. This is the one thing I'm not willing to accept as a change personally. You NEED to start off a weakling.
I killed 3 wolves with the broken sword the game gives you at the beginning. You can also enter the inventory at any time and spam healing items. I remember when I played the original Gothic I was terrified to go into the woods to fight even one wolf.
 

ConfusedOwl

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Closest thing to a Gothic 1 remake is Risen 1. Both games are great but Risen 1 falls apart more so at the end.
Risen 1 is fantastic. I even enjoyed Risen 3 and Elex. I think PB's biggest misstep to date is Risen 2. With that said nothing they have made past Gothic 2 was ever as good. I don't think any developer or PB can ever capture that magic again sadly, at least not if they want to sell copies to a modern audience.
 

Reddaye

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Still amazing to me that the idea of progressively more capable animations with increasing skills haven't really been copied. That's like such a small but neat idea that adds a whole lot to the experience in any game (with weapon skills that is).
It really is a great system. The problem with most action RPGs now is that developers want to start you off as a demigod and end you off as a total god. Skill points as just something that makes the damage numbers higher, rather than actual mechanical effectiveness. Which is a shame.

I killed 3 wolves with the broken sword the game gives you at the beginning. You can also enter the inventory at any time and spam healing items. I remember when I played the original Gothic I was terrified to go into the woods to fight even one wolf.
Yeah, screw that. I'm not sure how you can claim to want to remake a game, yet brush aside such a fundamental aspect of it's identity and progression. Go back to the drawing board and try again, or just scrap it and make something original if they don't think it will sell.
 

Ravio-li

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Huh... not done by PB, not really a close remaster/remake of the original.. so this is just putting the Gothic name on some product again then? Götterdämmerung and Arcania were already excellent ideas....

Okay I feel I get too negative, I should play the demo first. The for honor combat looks interesting.
 

Hadxmen

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I'm trying to restore atmosphere close to the original with Reshade:


I think this looks better than this:
 

snail_maze

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Gothic 1 + 2 remasters have been a long wish of mine. Hearing the impressions that so much is changed is really bumming me out though, hopefully it wouldn't be like that in an actual product
 

Airbar

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Ugh what the hell is up with that broken arch. Like what?

Also for a remake I guess I should probably be able to tell what location that is supposed to be but I don't have any clue. Is that the broken bridge on the way to the Old Camp?