THQ Nordic voted 'Best Games Company' of Gamescom 2019

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XR.

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I'm doing no such thing, but I can't be bothered to explain this again and in detail, especially to poeple who apparently are fine with (theoretically) killing of a whole company along because of two people on the top. Because that sounds reasonable.
Who's saying the whole company should be "killed", exactly?

I'm personally hoping for something to be done about it infernally; whether they fire the people responsible or if they choose to personally apologize for it. None of that seems likely at this point so I'll just look elsewhere for my entertainment needs.
 

Lumi

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There is so much hostility in this thread that it's clear some of y'all are only here to pick fights.

L Thammy gave some great input.
 

SparkleMotion

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I'll be damned if someone is going to tell me that I'm "normalizing hate" because I want to play Darksiders Genesis.
 

CandySTX

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Well, that’s disappointing, to say the least.
I don't understand.

I, genuinely, can't understand.

They, knowingly, associated themselves with 8chan, a website well-known for being a haven of pedophiles and vile individuals.
The gaming press didn't react. At all. There was no coverage. And I find it impossible to believe this non-reaction could be explained by ignorance.
I'm not naïve: I guess that they aren't that many gaming websites willing to risk their relationship with such a huge company. It is all about the money after all. Everyone hopes that this thing will be forgotten, swept under the rug. And it is working.
I am ashamed of the gaming press. I am furious against the ones behind this event. I am thoroughly disgusted by this company and by the general apathy displayed by people who are aware of this event and prefer to shrug it off.

I will continue to denounce their actions. I have blacklisted this company, and I will not buy a single game developed by them ever again. I will keep on hoping that, maybe, someday, this will come and bite the ones behind this event in the butt. These people don't have my sympathy.
Exactly.
Is it too much to try and hold a company accountable for getting it to bed with 8chan? Especially in light of recent mass shootings.
 

weblaus

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Why would they do that? I don't know, but I imagine harboring beliefs that align with the bigotry and hatred 8chan represents is a pretty good assumption considering they followed through with the plan despite an ocean of reasons not to throughput the entire process.
OR it could be something less nefarious like insanely stupid hubris to still believe that their oh-so-edgy PR stunt won't cause much fuss.

But clearly it MUST be because the guy is a Pedo Nazi which of course can be backed by, well... not much else besides "a pretty good assumption, I guess? Otherwise it surely should be possible to find _something_ in his vita to support that claim.
 

Arttemis

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OR it could be something less nefarious like insanely stupid hubris to still believe that their oh-so-edgy PR stunt won't cause much fuss.

But clearly it MUST be because the guy is a Pedo Nazi which of course can be backed by, well... not much else besides "a pretty good assumption, I guess? Otherwise it surely should be possible to find _something_ in his vita to support that claim.
It's not my responsibility to come up with a reason for what they did. Any defense that they were ignorant of what they were getting into can and should be thrown out the window when you realize they were inundated with hateful messages and pedophilic art as soon as they entered the website. Before they even began the AMA, they were questioned on twitter about why they were choosing 8chan. There is no defense of ignorance when they were warned before hand, saw the site, and gleefully participated in the hateful comments ("that picture very well could be from our upcoming game" - in response to a comment stating "cease your faggotry")
 

Jbourne

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I'll be damned if someone is going to tell me that I'm "normalizing hate" because I want to play Darksiders Genesis.
You've already let people know you don't care about the AMA in multiple threads, you've stated that you will no longer be posting in this thread, and you've said you wished it was locked. You're still here, though.
 

weblaus

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It's not my responsibility to come up with a reason for what they did. Any defense that they were ignorant of what they were getting into can and should be thrown out the window when you realize they were inundated with hateful messages and pedophilic art as soon as they entered the website. Before they even began the AMA, they were questioned on twitter about why they were choosing 8chan. There is no defense of ignorance when they were warned before hand, saw the site, and gleefully participated in the hateful comments ("that picture very well could be from our upcoming game" - in response to a comment stating "cease your faggotry")
Yet you came up with a reason that bets fits your narrative anyway. Go figure.

Still doesn't conclusively prove they're Pedo Nazis themselves - giant-sized douchebags on the other hand, that I'd agree with.
 

Siresly

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I think we're long past the point where anybody needs informing about what THQ did.

Obviously, holding an AMA on 8chan was dangerously stupid and it's a good enough reason to be completely turned off by them. Not wanting to buy THQ Nordic games because they advertised themselves on 8chan is an understandable position to take and nobody's complaining about that. But like any other self-boycotts it's also your prerogative.

Mine, and I think everybody else's big concern was the potential that a major game company like THQN would normalize 8chan and the rhetoric they use. That the only audience that THQN would now want/allow is shitheads on 8chan and having a big game company on their side isn't a good thing. And that just didn't happen. Eventually 8chan would garner its own massive backlash through mainstream coverage due to tragic event completely disconnected from THQN. The site was shut down, the alt-right lost a major platform, and everybody not a nazi hates 8chan now. In that regard the threat of 8chan normalizing nazism is over, not that it's still not a threat but it's still a major loss for them. Hell, THQN washed their hands basically right away and they haven't done anything similar before or after since. That's why it's easy to move on from. Not is 8chan and what it represents gone, but THQN hasn't shown any consistent right-wing or alt-right behavior before or after since. So it comes across less of them being shitty alt-right organization and more of a stupid marketing stunt done out of apathy by the management. It doesn't make it less wrong, but does make it easy to move on from. And where you stand on this is going to depend on where how ready you are to move on. Some never will which is fine, but this also didn't make a dent in the greater discourse around 8chan and internet nazism so it's easy not to care about it.

Ultimately though I think the approach we're taking with THQN is starting to get increasingly unnecessary. This forum talks about shitty companies all the time. Chick Fil A, unlike THQN, consistently has shitty values and does active harm to marginalized groups. Yet, that doesn't make anywhere near as much noise as this. Nintendo literally caved to Gamergate by firing an employee who was a target of theirs. Where's there copypasta telling them they were complicit in helping Gamergate? Those are whataboutisms sure but isn't "why do you care about EGS more?" and "Disney wouldn't have done this" also whataboutisms?

Not wanting to personally support THQN because of 8chan? Absolutely understandable. Discussing fighting nazis pedophiles online? Awesome I love doing that too. But going into some unrelated thread otherwise, and posting literally the exact same thing long after the point of relevance? I think you're better off discussing fighting internet Nazism elsewhere because it's not going to make much of a difference on top of ruining people's excitement for whatever remake is coming out.
There isn't really any valid justification for letting go of a severe incident for which there has been no known consequences, and to discourage further discussion of the matter.

I think we're long past the point where everybody needs informing about what THQ did.
And that's basically the problem. It's likely too late to do anything. Which I find a more compelling reason for moving on than "they didn't do it again" or "it wasn't as bad as I feared it could've been". Less of a valid justification, more of a somewhat understandable, alleviating easy way out for those looking for that and to avoid further strife.

My position is more along the lines of giving up than letting go. I will give it up but I will never let it go. Not exactly sure what that means yet.

Yeah they're congratulating developers that have absolutely nothing to do with 2 community people who made a dumbass move

What do you realistically want to happen here? have the whole company lambasted?

You people have issues
Philipp Brock, PR & Marketing Director and Reinhard Pollice, Business & Product Development Director.
We want there to be consequences that match the severity of the transgression for the two people we know to be primarily responsible.
We want Embracer to hold them accountable.
That would be an effective way of displaying that Embracer does indeed take the matter very seriously and does not tolerate this kind of conduct.
A donation to a charity that opposes the scum that were on 8chan, would make amends for the damage caused and demonstrate what Lars Wingefors claims to be their company values.

And yes the company should be lambasted? These are two directors, and Wingefors is the CEO, founder and majority shareholder.
Wingefors in particular is super representative of the company, and he initially decided (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-02-26-thq-nordic-holding-ama-on-imageboard-known-for-child-porn) that he wasn't going to respond and pointed to Brock's unconvincing apology (https://twitter.com/THQNordic/status/1100479019475177472) as being sufficient. Then he eventually said this. When he says he takes the matter very seriously, that is about as convincing as when Brock said he didn't know what 8chan was.

Abiding by the general notion that boycotting a thing punishes many people who had nothing to do with the mistakes of a few - or the softer version of that argument, that you still want to support the many - while simultaneously agreeing that what those few people did was wrong and they should be held accountable for it, is quite strange. Inaction leads to an equal and oppose inaction, so I'm not sure what this guaranteed to be ineffective milquetoast stance even means. You say you believe something, but you're not willing to put those words into action. I've not seen anyone suggest an alternative to boycotting, so the suggested course of action very much appears to be to do nothing.

And that's kind of a general problem with this whole thing. No one really knows what to do in any more tangibly effective manner, or are unable or unwilling to organize anything beyond raising the issue and commiserating about it on this forum, which surely must have diminishing returns. And at this point judging by the discourse in this thread, the winds are shifting and now even people on here are actively arguing for letting it go and to stop talking about it.

It really might be too late to do anything further at this point. Resistance against calling THQ out was significant even as this incident was fresh. Starting some sort of campaign now seems unlikely to gain much traction and likely to backfire if anything.

I think this post does quite well theorizing how this is where we've ended up.
Personally I still find it fucking stupid that they did the AMA at all and want nothing to do with their games because of it, at least not until they do something like 3D Realms and stand up and donate to anti-abuse/anti-hate causes and whatnot to atone for what they did. But the thing that makes even me realize that unfortunately people won't take this seriously outside of here is just some stuff I saw from the aftermath and onwards.

When it originally happened, a lot of my friends didn't even know it was a bad thing as they never heard of the website before. To them it was like "4Chan but edgy" so the creepier and vile implications weren't as obvious and thus they didn't take it seriously. Some of my friends outright called me paranoid because I pointed out how pretty freaking terrible THQ posting on that site was and it wasn't like they went on a much less offensive site like iFunny for meme purposes and called it a day. I think if it happened a few months later when more people learned about the awfulness of the site from other events, they would have as mad as I was since of the awareness and how the site's now shut down because of just how terrible it is.

It doesn't help that this site's reputation made some people in a discord I was in not even believe the AMA even happened as they didn't want to believe anyone who used this site, so they just thought it was overly exaggerated. Of course when news sites reported on it later a few of them did go "oh shit this is really bad", but when the half-hearted apology came out a while later almost all of them, friends and non-friends basically were like "OK they owned up, that's your first strike so I'm cool with it"

And that's the thing. To others the AMA was a first strike. Not another event in a long list of bad events and there wasn't any inside report that exposed any more bad info about the company or why they did it to begin with, (which I was hoping someone would talk to the press about so we know why the fuck they'd think nobody would be mad at them for it, but I guess they keep stuff tight lipped there unfortunately.) nor something that has been followed up on with something else that was equally terrible.

Thus since they've done absolutely everything they could to never mention or do anything close to that again, those people just forgot/dismissed it as no big deal. The fact that this website's the only major place I know of that speaks up about it still (Alongside some good people like Irman and Frank Cifaldi on twitter) is another sign of that, and honestly that's pretty sad as an abuse victim myself to see that incident acted like no big deal or like another meme. (Nothing that happened to me went online thank god, but I really feel pain thinking of anyone who did have that happen and had that shit end up on the vile site, which is why a post someone made a while ago in the first thread really resonated with me)

In fact, let's go back to the meme bit. You wanna know how many people on my feed were meming up the "Shoutouts to Mark" bit? More than I anticipated, and they pretty much used that as a reason to not take the situation seriously or think it was a big deal because "lol funny oopsie". Pretty darn annoying and I still see some people on Twitter use the AMA as a meme to this day. Along with that are the usual detractors who don't take stuff on this site seriously at all and have thus made things here a meme, such as literally everything ban-worthy that people posted on the first two pages of this very thread and the copypasta that has been in every thread related to THQ so far. (which even I find annoying, not gonna lie) Again, pretty sad and I think that along with the lack of any new updates as to why/how this happened is what led this to being buried. You bet that if a major news site broke the story about the behind the scenes of this AMA or something along those lines the general public would take this more seriously as it's no joke.

In the end though, THQN isn't some game developer who we can easily avoid or a small scale publisher, they're one of the biggest game companies in all of europe. They're also a huge publisher which means the awful people who did the AMA aren't the ones developing the games they actually release. Heck, if what Irman mentioned when this first came out is true, said developers were equally as pissed that their publisher did something so stupid, so it's not like every single employee at the company or their dev partners are in agreement with the policies of that website. It's just when THQ is as big as they are, you can't really split and do your own thing in protest... Which really sucks.

Black Forest Games made my favorite indie games of the mid 2010s with Giana Sisters and now that they're bought by THQ, it'll be a lot more sucky to try and support them, since I'm flipping a two-sided coin with half of each side corrupted, meaning that even if I buy whatever they cook up next I'll support the same publisher who thought an AMA was a good idea. Heck, as people in this thread have pointed out, they do have legitimately good quality games coming out in the next year, from developers with no involvement with this actual shitshow. ...But since their publisher is so bad, I can't really feel safe supporting them unless they're serious about not doing that again. Of course it would be easy if they'd just respond to people like Irman who've asked them dozens of times why they did that, but since they're continuing to ignore any press who ask questions on that I don't think the tone will change anytime soon. And thus, the public won't really be bothered either. Not because they agree with the website THQ had the AMA on (god no, at least most sane people), but because they either aren't aware of it or think that they've brushed it aside and have changed their ways.

TLDR: Unless a partner exposes the whole behind the scenes or unless they do something like this again, the general consumer base will assume that all's well and it was an honest mistake, even though it was clearly not. That's pretty much my final take on this and while I'll be avoiding games from them for the near future, (as much as I looked forward to Biomutant before this went down) I'm still not going to think every single dev they acquired are doing work for the devil or agree with the awful policies of that site, as I'm pretty positive nobody behind Darksiders and Spongebob think that AMA was the best thing in history. In fact, they probably were just as mad if not moreso than we are. I'll just hope that they actually crack down and take action instead of hoping for it to blow over, but I'm also not going to get angry at Best Buy for stocking their newest game.
 

Arttemis

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Yet you came up with a reason that bets fits your narrative anyway. Go figure.

Still doesn't conclusively prove they're Pedo Nazis themselves - giant-sized douchebags on the other hand, that I'd agree with.
My narrative is that they went to the website because they agree with the website. There's nothing about my conclusion that doesn't fit the events of what actually happened.

Facts: They gleefully went to the website that fosters mass murdering bigoted sacks of shit, joked around for a while with hateful rhetoric, and left up a link advertising the site for 12 hours.
 

SparkleMotion

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User banned (2 days): continuously antagonizing other members and disruptive behaviour over a series of posts in the thread
You've already let people know you don't care about the AMA in multiple threads, you've stated that you will no longer be posting in this thread, and you've said you wished it was locked. You're still here, though.
When I see stupid comments, I must respond. You dont like it, tell a mod.
 

GameAddict411

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The utter lack of empathy on display in this thread and any of the other THQ threads is absolutely disgusting.



Well, they'll unfortunately be back in three days.
Yeah. I actually miss the days on the old board where bans were at least several weeks long.

On topic, people need to realize that gamers don't give a shit about the stuff that nordiq has done. Their 8chan posting, Nazism ties or whatever. Most of their audience is straight and white. As long they keep people happy where it comes to games they will vote for them. Hence why I am not surprised about this. Era is unfortunately a tiny minority of gamers.
 

Pooroomoo

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On topic, people need to realize that gamers don't give a shit about the stuff that nordiq has done. Their 8chan posting, Nazism ties or whatever. Most of their audience is straight and white. As long they keep people happy where it comes to games they will vote for them. Hence why I am not surprised about this. Era is unfortunately a tiny minority of gamers.
"Most of their audience is straight and white" - And you say this based on what exactly?
 

HiLife

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These are the same guys who do TimeSplitters 2??? God dammit. Just furthers my agreement that gamers are asshats. I’d have to imagine if you’re watching/voting for a show atgamescom you’re at least in tune with the shit THQ has been doing.
 

Necron

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To their credit, they're holding onto treasured IP who many are either excited to see return (Darksiders, Destroy all Humans, potentially TimeSplitters) and new IP that looks... Interesting at least (Biomutant).
 

Pooroomoo

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Based on fuck all. It's just typical reactionary blanket statements that have been shitting up this whole thread.
Exactly.

To stay on the actual topic, THQ Nordic are doing for AA games what no other company is doing. Personally really looking forward to Darksiders Genesis. Too bad Desperados 3 won't be available for Switch, but Commandos 2 Remaster is, so I'm happy.
 

Jbourne

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What's unnecessary is the mental gymnastics people do to absolve the executive management of THQ Nordic. People really don't give a shit that not only are they aware of a place like 8chan but they actively courted that corner of the internet.
That doesn't warrant attacks on other members, though.
 

weblaus

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My narrative is that they went to the website because they agree with the website. There's nothing about my conclusion that doesn't fit the events of what actually happened.

Facts: They gleefully went to the website that fosters mass murdering bigoted sacks of shit, joked around for a while with hateful rhetoric, and left up a link advertising the site for 12 hours.
There is a difference between agreeing with stuff and not giving a shit about stuff - and you have decided it must without a doubt be the former, while I point out it could also be the later. Based on your facts, neither can be proven conclusively.

People can be assholes without necessarily being Pedo Nazis as well.
 

SMD

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That doesn't warrant attacks on other members, though.
That's an attack and "when I see stupid comments I must respond" is just a statement of fact is it?

It's fucking funny how people will get upset because of the discourse in the thread but an AMA on 8chan is just a misunderstanding.
 
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There is a difference between agreeing with stuff and not giving a shit about stuff - and you have decided it must without a doubt be the former, while I point out it could also be the later. Based on your facts, neither can be proven conclusively.

People can be assholes without necessarily being Pedo Nazis as well.
How in the world is not caring about self-promotion of mass murderers, pedophiles, and violent racists really any better than gleefully doing so?
 

Tamazoid

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THQ Nordic as a publisher has been a great addition to the gaming landscape in the terms of games they offer. They've capably filled that niche THQ left and then some in terms of AA game production. More importantly, they seem to be the main publisher willing to back European developers and push their products into a wider audience, something we haven't had since the height of Infogrames (not that they ever really did it well), they just consumed a number of European developers/publishers like THQ Nordic, but seemingly failed to utilise them well).

No surprise that they won the award from that perspective. Though that doesn't wipe away their immense stupidity in hosting that AMA. Most businesses would have pushed the marketing guy out as soon as the bad press begun to ferment.
 
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Arttemis

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There is a difference between agreeing with stuff and not giving a shit about stuff - and you have decided it must without a doubt be the former, while I point out it could also be the later. Based on your facts, neither can be proven conclusively.

People can be assholes without necessarily being Pedo Nazis as well.
This is a pointless difference without distinction. They participated in it willfully, propagated hatful rhetoric, surrounded themselves with pedophilic advertisements, and advertised the entire thing to a greater audience. They can't claim ignorance, therefore are wholly responsible for their actions.
 

Jbourne

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That's an attack and "when I see stupid comments I must respond" is just a statement of fact is it?

It's fucking funny how people will get upset because of the discourse in the thread but an AMA on 8chan is just a misunderstanding.
I don't buy THQN games since the AMA. I also don't make personal attacks towards those that don't agree with that decision, because I am not an asshole.
 

derFeef

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There is a difference between agreeing with stuff and not giving a shit about stuff - and you have decided it must without a doubt be the former, while I point out it could also be the later. Based on your facts, neither can be proven conclusively.

People can be assholes without necessarily being Pedo Nazis as well.
If you purposefully enable pedo nazis, there is a good chance you are more than an asshole. You are either one of them, or have no fucking clue what you are doing. Both things should lead to something, but nothing has happened.
 

DarkDetective

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Exactly.

To stay on the actual topic, THQ Nordic are doing for AA games what no other company is doing. Personally really looking forward to Darksiders Genesis. Too bad Desperados 3 won't be available for Switch, but Commandos 2 Remaster is, so I'm happy.
THQ Nordic is not involved with the Commandos 2 remaster. That one will be published by Kalypso (though there's a good chance they will be acquired by THQ Nordic by the time that game comes out of course :P)
 

Airbar

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If it was voted on by the public at Gamescom I doubt many of those voters actually know about the 8chan thing, let alone even know what 8chan is. I didn't know about 8chan before that whole THQ thing happened.

Will not support them in the future still, I have my principles and don't want to financially support a company that legitimized a Nazi forum.
 

weblaus

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This is a pointless difference without distinction.
I disagree, but if ignorance or intention is all the same for you, there's really no point at all to contrinue this for either party. Which admittedly was obvious right from the beginning anyway.

If you purposefully enable pedo nazis, there is a good chance you are more than an asshole. You are either one of them, or have no fucking clue what you are doing. Both things should lead to something, but nothing has happened.
I'd lean towards the "no fucking clue" explanation, but that's a statement I find reasonable.
 

weblaus

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There's is noooooooo way something like this happens without an organized trolling effort.
That's nonsense, as various people have correctly stated before: You might not like this one bit, but outside the Era bubble, very few people care about the 8chan issue at all if there's even aware of it - even more so in countries where Englisch isn't the main language, something which is certainly the case in Germany

That said: I looked it up and the award for "Best Games Company" was actually decided by the Jury. I know a good numer of people from that particular group and none is remotely guilty of being evil. Questionable tastes might be another matter, especially when looking at some other award decisions.

What I can't find right now is a set of rules on what criteria were to be applied for the Company category as that's probably not public - but I get the impression it's supposed to be on the exhibition on the showfloor.
 

Budi

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That's nonsense, as various people have correctly stated before: You might not like this one bit, but outside the Era bubble, very few people care about the 8chan issue at all if there's even aware of it - even more so in countries where Englisch isn't the main language, something which is certainly the case in Germany

That said: I looked it up and the award for "Best Games Company" was actually decided by the Jury. I know a good numer of people from that particular group and none is remotely guilty of being evil. Questionable tastes might be another matter, especially when looking at some other award decisions.

What I can't find right now is a set of rules on what criteria were to be applied for the Company category as that's probably not public - but I get the impression it's supposed to be on the exhibition on the showfloor.
Atleast every other best of Gamescom award is decided by a jury indeed. But in the video linked in the OP they are talking about it being decided by the fans. They just don't specify at all, even when asked "where do people go to vote?", the answer was weird non-answer "it's up to the fans to decide". They didn't announce any other nominees either, even though it seemed like they were supposed to. While I fully believe that THQ can win something like this on the merit of their games alone, it's still bit unclear how it came to be exactly. It entirely possible the people of IGN on that video don't have a clue either, hence they couldn't explain the process better. One of them was from IGN Deutschland though, I'd expect him to know atleast. Especially since they're hosting Gamescom event on official Gamescom channel.
 
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Weltall Zero

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I mean, this post right here is generalising all Germans as Nazis, that's the state of discourse right now, unacceptable, I am not German myself but I feel like that's incredibly unfair and bigoted to suggest such a thing.
It's interesting that one single post making the Germans = Nazi implication (and being rightfully banned and dunked on by everyone, including THQ boycotters) is "the state of discourse right now"; but multiple posts unironically using SJW as a pejorative and insisting they're every bit as bad as actual Nazis and pedophiles are completely ignored.

 

Pooroomoo

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THQ Nordic is not involved with the Commandos 2 remaster. That one will be published by Kalypso (though there's a good chance they will be acquired by THQ Nordic by the time that game comes out of course :P)
Oops, somehow thought it was from THQ, in my mind Desperados and Commandos are connected, not to mention that the main company reviving such games is THQ.
 

Arttemis

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I disagree, but if ignorance or intention is all the same for you, there's really no point at all to contrinue this for either party. Which admittedly was obvious right from the beginning anyway.



I'd lean towards the "no fucking clue" explanation, but that's a statement I find reasonable.
Sure, but you're lying to state there was any ignorance in regards to what happened that day as I've stated in each of my posts. They were warned beforehand, they were greeted with pedophilic imagery and Nazi slogans yet stayed, and eagerly responded to bigoted comments.

There. Was. No. Ignorance.
 

SparkleMotion

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All I ask is not to be attacked or told I'm enabling hate because of the video games I choose to buy. The people who want to boycott, more power to you, and I support your personal decision. However, don't attack me for not falling in line with the boycott.
 

weblaus

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Atleast every other best of Gamescom award is decided by a jury indeed. But in the video linked in the OP they are talking about it being decided by the fans. They just don't specify at all, even when asked "where do people go to vote?", the answer was weird non-answer "it's up to the fans to decide". They didn't announce any other nominees either, even though it seemed like they were supposed to. While I fully believe that THQ can win something like this on the merit of their games alone, it's still bit unclear how it came to be exactly.
Well... they indeed do say that. Or at least Sebastian Ossowski (Editor-in-Chief of IGN Germany and actually part of the jury!) does, but it's wrong - you'd think he should know that.

There are four categories up for public voting (which is correctly stated in the description below the video) - best booth, best eSports experience, best streamer and "Most Wanted".

"Best games company" on the other hand is a jury award, which is very clearly stated that way in the official press release from gamescom that was sent out on Saturday and can be found online here.
 
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weblaus

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All I ask is not to be attacked or told I'm enabling hate because of the video games I choose to buy. The people who want to boycott, more power to you, and I support your personal decision. However, don't attack me for not falling in line with the boycott.
You mean something like this?

Consider that by supporting their games, you are supporting a publisher that is complicit with child pornography.

For the life of my I can't see why anyone would feel attacked by such a statement. /s
 

EloKa

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"Best games company" on the other hand is a jury award, which is very clearly stated that way in the official press release from gamescom that was sent out on Saturday and can be found online here.
All 30 members of the jury are listed on the gamescom website as well.
Dunno why people keep stating that there was some kind of online vote or a public vote by attendees.
 

Budi

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Well... they indeed do say that. Or at least Sebastian Ossowski (Editor-in_Chief of IGN Germany and actually part of the jury!) does, but it's wrong - you'd think he should know that.

There are four categories up for public voting (which is correctly stated in the description below the video) - best booth, best eSports experience, best streamer and "Most Wanted".

"Best games company" on the other hand is a jury award, which is very clearly stated that way in the official press release from gamescom that was sent out on Saturday and can be found online here.
Thanks for the link! Are those genre awards also jury voted? Do you happen to know if it's similar to E3 judges, that the jury gets to play those games before the event begins? I saw few baffled commentors about awards given out before Gamescom even properly began. I assumed the jury got to play the games beforehand.
 

weblaus

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All 30 members of the jury are listed on the gamescom website as well.
Dunno why people keep stating that there was some kind of online vote or a public vote by attendees.
I knew that, but I didn't want to risk them getting now flooded with accusations of being Pedo Nazi enablers.

Thanks for the link! Are those genre awards also jury voted? Do you happen to know if it's similar to E3 judges, that the jury gets to play those games before the event begins? I saw few baffled commentors about awards given out before Gamescom even properly began. I assumed the jury got to play the games beforehand.
Sorry, I don't know the details - I haven't been involved myself and not really talked to any jury member about it. I don't really give them many thoughts as there's pretty much aways some very weird voting / nomations going on that I simply don't see as reasonable (NBA 2K20 being in the simulation category instead of sports game, for example).
 
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