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THQ Nordic voted 'Best Games Company' of Gamescom 2019
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I'll be damned if someone is going to tell me that I'm "normalizing hate" because I want to play Darksiders Genesis.
Well, that's disappointing, to say the least.
Is it too much to try and hold a company accountable for getting it to bed with 8chan? Especially in light of recent mass shootings.
Exactly.
Is it too much to try and hold a company accountable for getting it to bed with 8chan? Especially in light of recent mass shootings.
OR it could be something less nefarious like insanely stupid hubris to still believe that their oh-so-edgy PR stunt won't cause much fuss.
But clearly it MUST be because the guy is a Pedo Nazi which of course can be backed by, well... not much else besides "a pretty good assumption, I guess? Otherwise it surely should be possible to find _something_ in his vita to support that claim.
It's not my responsibility to come up with a reason for what they did. Any defense that they were ignorant of what they were getting into can and should be thrown out the window when you realize they were inundated with hateful messages and pedophilic art as soon as they entered the website. Before they even began the AMA, they were questioned on twitter about why they were choosing 8chan. There is no defense of ignorance when they were warned before hand, saw the site, and gleefully participated in the hateful comments ("that picture very well could be from our upcoming game" - in response to a comment stating "cease your faggotry")
You've already let people know you don't care about the AMA in multiple threads, you've stated that you will no longer be posting in this thread, and you've said you wished it was locked. You're still here, though.
Yet you came up with a reason that bets fits your narrative anyway. Go figure.
Still doesn't conclusively prove they're Pedo Nazis themselves - giant-sized douchebags on the other hand, that I'd agree with.
There isn't really any valid justification for letting go of a severe incident for which there has been no known consequences, and to discourage further discussion of the matter.
I think we're long past the point where everybody needs informing about what THQ did.
And that's basically the problem. It's likely too late to do anything. Which I find a more compelling reason for moving on than "they didn't do it again" or "it wasn't as bad as I feared it could've been". Less of a valid justification, more of a somewhat understandable, alleviating easy way out for those looking for that and to avoid further strife.
My position is more along the lines of giving up than letting go. I will give it up but I will never let it go. Not exactly sure what that means yet.
Philipp Brock, PR & Marketing Director and Reinhard Pollice, Business & Product Development Director.
We want there to be consequences that match the severity of the transgression for the two people we know to be primarily responsible.
We want Embracer to hold them accountable.
That would be an effective way of displaying that Embracer does indeed take the matter very seriously and does not tolerate this kind of conduct.
A donation to a charity that opposes the scum that were on 8chan, would make amends for the damage caused and demonstrate what Lars Wingefors claims to be their company values.
And yes the company should be lambasted? These are two directors, and Wingefors is the CEO, founder and majority shareholder.
Wingefors in particular is super representative of the company, and he initially decided (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...olding-ama-on-imageboard-known-for-child-porn) that he wasn't going to respond and pointed to Brock's unconvincing apology (https://twitter.com/THQNordic/status/1100479019475177472) as being sufficient. Then he eventually said this. When he says he takes the matter very seriously, that is about as convincing as when Brock said he didn't know what 8chan was.
Abiding by the general notion that boycotting a thing punishes many people who had nothing to do with the mistakes of a few - or the softer version of that argument, that you still want to support the many - while simultaneously agreeing that what those few people did was wrong and they should be held accountable for it, is quite strange. Inaction leads to an equal and oppose inaction, so I'm not sure what this guaranteed to be ineffective milquetoast stance even means. You say you believe something, but you're not willing to put those words into action. I've not seen anyone suggest an alternative to boycotting, so the suggested course of action very much appears to be to do nothing.
And that's kind of a general problem with this whole thing. No one really knows what to do in any more tangibly effective manner, or are unable or unwilling to organize anything beyond raising the issue and commiserating about it on this forum, which surely must have diminishing returns. And at this point judging by the discourse in this thread, the winds are shifting and now even people on here are actively arguing for letting it go and to stop talking about it.
It really might be too late to do anything further at this point. Resistance against calling THQ out was significant even as this incident was fresh. Starting some sort of campaign now seems unlikely to gain much traction and likely to backfire if anything.
I think this post does quite well theorizing how this is where we've ended up.
My narrative is that they went to the website because they agree with the website. There's nothing about my conclusion that doesn't fit the events of what actually happened.
Facts: They gleefully went to the website that fosters mass murdering bigoted sacks of shit, joked around for a while with hateful rhetoric, and left up a link advertising the site for 12 hours.
User banned (2 days): continuously antagonizing other members and disruptive behaviour over a series of posts in the thread
When I see stupid comments, I must respond. You dont like it, tell a mod.
I knew there were users here that downplayed the AMA, but never to the gleeful extent of the first page.
Fuck everything about this.
Fuck everything about this.
I'm not talking about moderation, I'm talking about your mental state. If this thread upsets you, as it clearly has, you should just mark it as ignored.
Yeah. I actually miss the days on the old board where bans were at least several weeks long.
On topic, people need to realize that gamers don't give a shit about the stuff that nordiq has done. Their 8chan posting, Nazism ties or whatever. Most of their audience is straight and white. As long they keep people happy where it comes to games they will vote for them. Hence why I am not surprised about this. Era is unfortunately a tiny minority of gamers.
User Banned (3 Days): Antagonizing, history of similar infractions
Do you talk to yourself a lot then?
"Most of their audience is straight and white" - And you say this based on what exactly?
Based on fuck all. It's just typical reactionary blanket statements that have been shitting up this whole thread.
What's unnecessary is the mental gymnastics people do to absolve the executive management of THQ Nordic. People really don't give a shit that not only are they aware of a place like 8chan but they actively courted that corner of the internet.
To their credit, they're holding onto treasured IP who many are either excited to see return (Darksiders, Destroy all Humans, potentially TimeSplitters) and new IP that looks... Interesting at least (Biomutant).
Exactly.
To stay on the actual topic, THQ Nordic are doing for AA games what no other company is doing. Personally really looking forward to Darksiders Genesis. Too bad Desperados 3 won't be available for Switch, but Commandos 2 Remaster is, so I'm happy.
There is a difference between agreeing with stuff and not giving a shit about stuff - and you have decided it must without a doubt be the former, while I point out it could also be the later. Based on your facts, neither can be proven conclusively.
People can be assholes without necessarily being Pedo Nazis as well.
That's an attack and "when I see stupid comments I must respond" is just a statement of fact is it?
It's fucking funny how people will get upset because of the discourse in the thread but an AMA on 8chan is just a misunderstanding.
How in the world is not caring about self-promotion of mass murderers, pedophiles, and violent racists really any better than gleefully doing so?
THQ Nordic as a publisher has been a great addition to the gaming landscape in the terms of games they offer. They've capably filled that niche THQ left and then some in terms of AA game production. More importantly, they seem to be the main publisher willing to back European developers and push their products into a wider audience, something we haven't had since the height of Infogrames (not that they ever really did it well), they just consumed a number of European developers/publishers like THQ Nordic, but seemingly failed to utilise them well).
No surprise that they won the award from that perspective. Though that doesn't wipe away their immense stupidity in hosting that AMA. Most businesses would have pushed the marketing guy out as soon as the bad press begun to ferment.
No surprise that they won the award from that perspective. Though that doesn't wipe away their immense stupidity in hosting that AMA. Most businesses would have pushed the marketing guy out as soon as the bad press begun to ferment.
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This is a pointless difference without distinction. They participated in it willfully, propagated hatful rhetoric, surrounded themselves with pedophilic advertisements, and advertised the entire thing to a greater audience. They can't claim ignorance, therefore are wholly responsible for their actions.
I don't buy THQN games since the AMA. I also don't make personal attacks towards those that don't agree with that decision, because I am not an asshole.
If you purposefully enable pedo nazis, there is a good chance you are more than an asshole. You are either one of them, or have no fucking clue what you are doing. Both things should lead to something, but nothing has happened.
THQ Nordic is not involved with the Commandos 2 remaster. That one will be published by Kalypso (though there's a good chance they will be acquired by THQ Nordic by the time that game comes out of course :P)
If it was voted on by the public at Gamescom I doubt many of those voters actually know about the 8chan thing, let alone even know what 8chan is. I didn't know about 8chan before that whole THQ thing happened.
Will not support them in the future still, I have my principles and don't want to financially support a company that legitimized a Nazi forum.
Will not support them in the future still, I have my principles and don't want to financially support a company that legitimized a Nazi forum.
I disagree, but if ignorance or intention is all the same for you, there's really no point at all to contrinue this for either party. Which admittedly was obvious right from the beginning anyway.
I'd lean towards the "no fucking clue" explanation, but that's a statement I find reasonable.
There's is noooooooo way something like this happens without an organized trolling effort.
Huh? You don't think THQ got the votes for the games they offer? Why is that? Sorry if I misunderstood.
That's nonsense, as various people have correctly stated before: You might not like this one bit, but outside the Era bubble, very few people care about the 8chan issue at all if there's even aware of it - even more so in countries where Englisch isn't the main language, something which is certainly the case in Germany
That said: I looked it up and the award for "Best Games Company" was actually decided by the Jury. I know a good numer of people from that particular group and none is remotely guilty of being evil. Questionable tastes might be another matter, especially when looking at some other award decisions.
What I can't find right now is a set of rules on what criteria were to be applied for the Company category as that's probably not public - but I get the impression it's supposed to be on the exhibition on the showfloor.
Atleast every other best of Gamescom award is decided by a jury indeed. But in the video linked in the OP they are talking about it being decided by the fans. They just don't specify at all, even when asked "where do people go to vote?", the answer was weird non-answer "it's up to the fans to decide". They didn't announce any other nominees either, even though it seemed like they were supposed to. While I fully believe that THQ can win something like this on the merit of their games alone, it's still bit unclear how it came to be exactly. It entirely possible the people of IGN on that video don't have a clue either, hence they couldn't explain the process better. One of them was from IGN Deutschland though, I'd expect him to know atleast. Especially since they're hosting Gamescom event on official Gamescom channel.
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It's interesting that one single post making the Germans = Nazi implication (and being rightfully banned and dunked on by everyone, including THQ boycotters) is "the state of discourse right now"; but multiple posts unironically using SJW as a pejorative and insisting they're every bit as bad as actual Nazis and pedophiles are completely ignored.
Oops, somehow thought it was from THQ, in my mind Desperados and Commandos are connected, not to mention that the main company reviving such games is THQ.
Sure, but you're lying to state there was any ignorance in regards to what happened that day as I've stated in each of my posts. They were warned beforehand, they were greeted with pedophilic imagery and Nazi slogans yet stayed, and eagerly responded to bigoted comments.
There. Was. No. Ignorance.
All I ask is not to be attacked or told I'm enabling hate because of the video games I choose to buy. The people who want to boycott, more power to you, and I support your personal decision. However, don't attack me for not falling in line with the boycott.
Well... they indeed do say that. Or at least Sebastian Ossowski (Editor-in-Chief of IGN Germany and actually part of the jury!) does, but it's wrong - you'd think he should know that.
There are four categories up for public voting (which is correctly stated in the description below the video) - best booth, best eSports experience, best streamer and "Most Wanted".
"Best games company" on the other hand is a jury award, which is very clearly stated that way in the official press release from gamescom that was sent out on Saturday and can be found online here.
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You mean something like this?
Consider that by supporting their games, you are supporting a publisher that is complicit with child pornography.
For the life of my I can't see why anyone would feel attacked by such a statement. /s
All 30 members of the jury are listed on the gamescom website as well.
Dunno why people keep stating that there was some kind of online vote or a public vote by attendees.
Thanks for the link! Are those genre awards also jury voted? Do you happen to know if it's similar to E3 judges, that the jury gets to play those games before the event begins? I saw few baffled commentors about awards given out before Gamescom even properly began. I assumed the jury got to play the games beforehand.
I knew that, but I didn't want to risk them getting now flooded with accusations of being Pedo Nazi enablers.
Sorry, I don't know the details - I haven't been involved myself and not really talked to any jury member about it. I don't really give them many thoughts as there's pretty much aways some very weird voting / nomations going on that I simply don't see as reasonable (NBA 2K20 being in the simulation category instead of sports game, for example).
Nothing gets between gamers and there games
you can't have your cake and eat it too with this
This.
you can't have your cake and eat it too with this
You just described the circle of shithead bigots that tend to hate on this site. All I see when people bitch about era is the same drone: god damn sjws and their faux outrage / agenda pushing / discussion shutting / feelings over facts, or what have you, which basically translates to "I am uncomfortable they speak out about these issues because I don't care about them and like punching down". Almost always it's gamergate youtube channels, troll twitter accounts, and far right-leaning forums. Are we supposed to feel bad that a bunch of 4chan rejects live and breathe on collecting screenshots and info from here to obsess over and bitch about? I'm not going to lose sleep over living rent-free inside the mind of a random loser. Same shit was happening when we were back on gaf, it hasn't changed a bit and it's not going to change.
Also, please point out to me any gaming forum that's universally praised on the internet or even considered "one of the good ones". Any large-scale forum I've seen is continuously trashed; IGN, giantbomb, gamespot. Gamefaqs has been the butt of every gaming forum joke since its conception. That's normal, they're all just forums. Nobody's going to care about what is going on inside every one unless they have particular beef with one of them (see: "this place sucks because they permabanned me")
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