THQN: Absolute majority of Metro Exodus revenue coming from consoles, no comment on PC sales

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Well THQ made it exclusive, you don't have to be Einstein to predict the outcome.
I'm quite happy with this, will pick it up on steam when it's bargain basement price.

If I remember correctly one of the devs said they may skip PC releases if sales are bad, that's ok by me if the publishers choose these exclusivity deals.
 

Sean Mirrsen

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Let's be honest indeed: Do you honestly think that the EGS can survive with a couple of big moneyhatted games selling well and everything else flopping?
Well okay, let's be honest and real here: EGS doesn't need to "survive", it can keep going indefinitely as long as it's at least in the neighborhood of breaking even. Epic Games could care less about being a couple million down (with their billion(s) in Fortnite income) if that makes some kind of headway in their anti-Steam crusade. It'll only really "fail" if it closes entirely, and with how little that store must cost to maintain (with the virtually nonexistent dedicated backend piggybacking off the existing Fortnite infrastructure) it won't cause a significant enough monetary loss even if it sells absolutely nothing.
 

Poimandres

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It is like some people never learn lessons. The Epic Games Store lacks basic functions like cloud saves and a fucking shopping cart. A lot of people aren't going to purchase a game or if they aren't getting the basic features they are used to.

Epic can keep moneyhatting publishers to make up for lost sales but publishers should realize they can lose their repuation and less people playing their games can lead to lower sales of future games due to a bad repuataion and a lack of an install base on previous games.
I don't have much problem with multiple launchers and stores. It's a minor inconvenience at worst for me.

But, EGS is clearly lacking in very basic features and was nowhere near ready for launch. Moneyhatting publishers for exclusive rights is also a dick move (I'd have no problem with funding exclusive game development) and has effectively pissed off almost the entire PC gaming community.

I really don't think the store is going to catch on. People have dug their heels in, and it will be months (years?) before the platform itself is up to par. It's just a money sink for Epic, and if sales are greatly impacted I think publishers will be much more hesitant to make these deals.
 

Arulan

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A franchise that has historically done very well on PC all of sudden doesn't after signing exclusivity to a platform a lot the PC community hates?

 

Forsaken82

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Impossible. I was told repeatedly that PC gamers were just gonna shut up and use the EGS anyways.

Could it be that a lot of Era doesn’t have a clue when it comes to PC gaming?
PC gamer here, will be using EGS for Borderlands 3 at the minimum, have used EGS for their free games. Decided to wait on Metro for a decent drop in price. I won't be buying Metro on Steam because it won't be nearly as cheap as it will be on EGS at time it releases on steam. So yeah, I absolutely take advantage of EGS.
 

grosvenor92

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Not surprised. Even I have considered picking the game up on PS4 instead of waiting for it to come to steam next year
 

JD3Nine

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PC gamer here, will be using EGS for Borderlands 3 at the minimum, have used EGS for their free games. Decided to wait on Metro for a decent drop in price. I won't be buying Metro on Steam because it won't be nearly as cheap as it will be on EGS at time it releases on steam. So yeah, I absolutely take advantage of EGS.
Cool. If the store works for you then by all means use it. I’ve never seen PC Era give anyone crap for using the EGS. It’s always the other way around for some reason.
 

AJ_Wings

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Well okay, let's be honest and real here: EGS doesn't need to "survive", it can keep going indefinitely as long as it's at least in the neighborhood of breaking even. Epic Games could care less about being a couple million down (with their billion(s) in Fortnite income) if that makes some kind of headway in their anti-Steam crusade. It'll only really "fail" if it closes entirely, and with how little that store must cost to maintain (with the virtually nonexistent dedicated backend piggybacking off the existing Fortnite infrastructure) it won't cause a significant enough monetary loss even if it sells absolutely nothing.
As much as I'll laugh at Epic and Sweeny's bullshit and them falling flat at their faces, I do agree with this.

The Epic Store will be around for a couple of years and will continue to be a goddamned money sink for Epic with these fire sales and exclusives since this is an effort led by a bunch of shortsighted, clueless morons who lack any long-term plans to actually build a competing platform on PC. They'll probably pull the plug on the whole project and let it die off once Sweeny is bored from his ego trip which is gonna take a while.
 

EloKa

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Have the console sales for the launch not greatly increased over the previous game? And that doesn't factor in digital.

On the PC side, do you think they factored in the EGS moneyhat? Like when the said it already made a profit do you think they included that or not?
I'm not a numbers guy so I can only take a guess like everyone else but the earlier Metro used to be a PC centric franchise. While the console sales probably have increased with Exodus (for several different reasons) they probably would have increased on PC on the same level (or even higher) without this exclusivity fuckery.

The question for the profit depends on your own definition. I guess they made a profit in the short-term with the EGS payments but will lose a lot in the long-term.
 

voOsh

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Epic can definitely survive whilst losing money for quite some time. I'm most interested to see if publishers will continue to be OK with less sales + moneyhats. For smaller fish I think it is no question beneficial for them to take the money from Epic even if their game doesn't sell. But I think it may become an issue with franchises and bigger brands. There is some intrinsic value to having a title in as many hands as possible that Epic cannot replicate just by throwing money at it. How much Borderlands 3 sells is going to be a big indicator for what the future holds in PC gaming.
 

SteveWinwood

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I'm willing to believe that all of the moneyhats we've seen thus far were all sent out before the initial backlash.

Although in the case of Borderlands, I'm willing to bet Randy just didn't give a fuck regardless.
That's what I was wondering a week or so ago. We'll probably never get timelines for a lot of these but we already know some have turned them down. We know metro was super rushed, but some have been months out.
 

rumbling

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As far as I can tell, both redux titles sold somewhere between 2 and 5 million... each.
Does that include the free copies everyone who owned the original games got? Because that number seem insanely good otherwise.

When was the last time a full price AAA game released across the board didnt have it's "absolute majority of revenue" from consoles? What game was it? I'm sure this is a bad sign for PC sales of the game but the doom and gloom game with very limited information is also pretty damn strong.
 

SteveWinwood

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Epic can definitely survive whilst losing money for quite some time. I'm most interested to see if publishers will continue to be OK with less sales + moneyhats. For smaller fish I think it is no question beneficial for them to take the money from Epic even if their game doesn't sell. But I think it may become an issue with franchises and bigger brands. There is some intrinsic value to having a title in as many hands as possible that Epic cannot replicate just by throwing money at it. How much Borderlands 3 sells is going to be a big indicator for what the future holds in PC gaming.
I think there's an issue with the smaller studios doing it as well though. Just not in the immediate future. The payoff isn't likely to pay for their next game, and sales won't be too hot, if they kickstarted the project that went to epic (phoneix point or outer wilds) then they sure as hell can't go to them asking for money again. They just have to hope that epic pays for every game they ever make? Apparently just having a publisher isn't enough, and you can't point to big sales to get them to back you (presuming again the numbers aren't setting the world on fire).

A lot of people (I'm not claiming it's enough to make or break a game or anything, but a certain decent amount) are going to hold a grudge. They've permanently damaged their future success with some people.

I don't know if it's as cut and dry for those indies as people want to make it. Or maybe it was before they realized the whole hullabaloo about it.
 

Bleu

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When was the last time a full price AAA game released across the board didnt have it's "absolute majority of revenue" from consoles? What game was it? I'm sure this is a bad sign for PC sales of the game but the doom and gloom game with very limited information is also pretty damn strong.
Probably games like X-com, the tropico games, elite dangerous... i am sure you could find some genre-specific outsiders.
 

Kerotan

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I'm not a numbers guy so I can only take a guess like everyone else but the earlier Metro used to be a PC centric franchise. While the console sales probably have increased with Exodus (for several different reasons) they probably would have increased on PC on the same level (or even higher) without this exclusivity fuckery.

The question for the profit depends on your own definition. I guess they made a profit in the short-term with the EGS payments but will lose a lot in the long-term.
That's a fair point. I'd add however that they will get a nice boost when it launches on steam and could end up having decent legs.
 

Mentalist

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That's a fair point. I'd add however that they will get a nice boost when it launches on steam and could end up having decent legs.
Then it'll get another spike once it's inevitably out on GOG from the no-DRM buyers.

If Steam keys become available on reseller sites, it'll likely enjoy isolated periods of elevated sales.

Just like any other PC release, really.
 
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I'd have bought Metro Exodus day one if the game was available on any storefront that supported my regional currency, cloud saves and achievements.
 

hersheyfan

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Ah, this is wonderful news to wake up to. I always saw Epic's previous (vague) disclosures bragging about Metro Exodus' sales as a smokescreen, and am glad to have been proven right.

My plan to go buy Borderlands 3 on PS4 (at full price) looks better and better every day! I want to let 2K know that I want to play the game that they're trying to sell... just not on EGS. Push that platform split in favor of consoles as far out as it can go.
 

riotous

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A poll would be interesting.

For people who were planning to buy Metro Exodus in PC, what did you decide after EGS exclusivity?

A) bought the game on EGS
B) will wait for other stores
C) bought the game on console instead (only answer this if you weren’t planning to double dip)
D) will not purchase the game
 

Techno

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A poll would be interesting.

For people who were planning to buy Metro Exodus in PC, what did you decide after EGS exclusivity?

A) bought the game on EGS
B) will wait for other stores
C) bought the game on console instead (only answer this if you weren’t planning to double dip)
D) will not purchase the game
Mixed between B and D.

By the time Metro comes to Steam... will I even care anymore? I think I will have moved on by then.
 
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Crayon

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Despite rumors to the contrary, every major release shows up on the front page of steam and gets 'discoverability *derp*' at least until the next one comes along. When one like this isn't there, another is in its place and more are in the queue. I bet it's hardly missed by a lot of people and this isn't 100% due to boycotting.
 

JudgmentJay

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A poll would be interesting.

For people who were planning to buy Metro Exodus in PC, what did you decide after EGS exclusivity?

A) bought the game on EGS
B) will wait for other stores
C) bought the game on console instead (only answer this if you weren’t planning to double dip)
D) will not purchase the game
I immediately pre-ordered it on Steam.
 

Arthands

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A poll would be interesting.

For people who were planning to buy Metro Exodus in PC, what did you decide after EGS exclusivity?

A) bought the game on EGS
B) will wait for other stores
C) bought the game on console instead (only answer this if you weren’t planning to double dip)
D) will not purchase the game
I will buy on other stores or consoles. Its not like the other stores are lacking games
 

Eorl

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I'm all for multi storefronts and have been since the saga of EGS began. What I am glad to see is that exclusivity is met with low sales because that shit is abhorrent and against the PC gaming platform that has been rebuilt over the last decade. No one should hoard games thanks to large stacks of cash unless they are first party based.

I want to buy on EGS, but I won't while there is exclusivity and double whammy regional pricing plus USD conversion. Exclusivity breeds a monopoly and enables a company to do shitty things like taking Metro at the hour of midnight all while claiming greatness because of a dev split. No, as a consumer that's shit and you shouldn't be putting up with it unless you truly are wanting warring platforms that dig away at pro consumer attitudes.

With Epic they could have easily opened up their platform with no exclusivity and had Fortnite feed the dev revenue split. That way devs are making more, exclusivity isn't a thing unless first party and the games can even be challenged in price points. You'd actually have Steam come to the table then because right now they see no reason to do so thanks in part to the stupid shit Epic is doing to themselves.
 

Acinixys

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A poll would be interesting.

For people who were planning to buy Metro Exodus in PC, what did you decide after EGS exclusivity?

A) bought the game on EGS
B) will wait for other stores
C) bought the game on console instead (only answer this if you weren’t planning to double dip)
D) will not purchase the game
You forgot "preordered on Steam months before the EGS tomfoolery happened, and managed to play through the game with cloud saves and achievements"

Because that's what I did.

If Epic continue to cannibalize PC game sales with their "deals", i will just wait longer for the inevitable Steam release a few months later

Probably better for me, as I can get all the games I want @50% off on the Christmas sales
 

SamWilson

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You’re banned so you won’t see this until that ban ends but man, this is a bad fuckin’ take. How embarrassing for you...
Banned users can still see threads and read the forum. idk why you'd think they can't see this until after the ban ends. Unless you mean the notification that they got a response.
 

Alexandros

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Well okay, let's be honest and real here: EGS doesn't need to "survive", it can keep going indefinitely as long as it's at least in the neighborhood of breaking even. Epic Games could care less about being a couple million down (with their billion(s) in Fortnite income) if that makes some kind of headway in their anti-Steam crusade. It'll only really "fail" if it closes entirely, and with how little that store must cost to maintain (with the virtually nonexistent dedicated backend piggybacking off the existing Fortnite infrastructure) it won't cause a significant enough monetary loss even if it sells absolutely nothing.
What you said can prove to be completely right or completely wrong depending on a variety of factors. I think it can be reasonably assumed that the EGS is now operating at a loss under the logic of loss leading. Between the sizeable moneyhats and paying for sales out of Epic's pocket, I don't think there's currently a realistic scenario in which the EGS is at a break-even point. So what would have to happen to reach that point? The EGS would have to attract a large audience and achieve significant sales numbers without moneyhats and subsidized sales. Can it? I don't think so. There are literally zero reasons to shop from the EGS if games are available elsewhere.

Let's move on to the publisher/developer factor. I think it's also safe to assume that game sales on EGS aren't setting the world on fire. This likely means that developers will be asking for bigger moneyhats for their future games. Will Epic manage to drive enough sales through the EGS to convince developers to sell exclusively through the store without moneyhats? I really doubt that.

Then there's the Fortnite factor. As long as Fortnite brings in the big bucks, Epic can keep the store running in the red and continue moneyhatting to their heart's content without much issue. Will that always be the case? Will Fortnite prove to be the evergreen title that consistently brings in lots of cash or will that change sometime?

Lastly, there's the factor of Epic's expectations for the store. Did Epic make a plan for when they expect to reach profitability? How will they react if their expectations are not met? Will they double down on moneyhats and other anti-consumer bullshit? Will they change their mind and try to be more consumer friendly?

Lots of unknowns. We'll see what happens.
 

Cecil

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This, and the sudden Epic mega sale, are very interesting, when you want to discuss how the Epic Store is doing right now.
 

GhostTrick

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This, and the sudden Epic mega sale, are very interesting, when you want to discuss how the Epic Store is doing right now.


It was obvious when they gave us such cryptic numbers.
It's even more interesting that Exodus is according to Epic their biggest grossing title on the store. Speaks volume of the disaster here. When you factor that they have to subsidize a sale that much...
I'm glad it's not working.
 

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Didn't the devs threatened that they won't do a PC port of their next game if Exodus did bad? Guess instead of owning up to it, they're gonna double down.