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  1. Cybit

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    Indeed - you could even get more folks from FOX News on the way out as well. Maximize that protest efficiency!

    That said - if we were this passionate about voting in elections, especially local ones, we probably wouldn't be in the position we're at now.
     
  2. PMS341

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    Do this if you don't want an effective protest. Always interesting that so many wish protestors would just do it "somewhere else". Sounds like the NFL all over again.
     
  3. saenima

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    If one side says leave Tucker alone and another says hang Tucker from a lamp post, i'll just stick to the middle here and propose people follow him 24 hours a day shouting at him until he can't hear himself think and fucks off into obscurity.

    The middle is a great place to be fellow moderates.
     
  4. mael

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    But otherwise Nana Ruth risk dying in her ambulance!
     
  5. saenima

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    This is fire.
     
  6. saenima

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    Nazis aren't born, they are made.

    By other nazis.

    Like Carlson.
     
  7. PMS341

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    I wonder how many of the racist defenders ITT feel like they can run over protesters just because they are "in the street".
     
  8. Pantaghana

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    He chose to spread white nationalist rhetoric, personal responsibility, etc, etc.

    If he doesn't want to be harassed, all he has to do is stop spreading white nationalism, those facing white nationalist discrimination can't stop being not white, so anyone claiming "both sides" is full of shit.
     
  9. mael

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    To be fair the kid in that car was trying to go help his old Nana and a protestor got in the way, he's just a poor kid advocating for the genocide of millions...
     
  10. rob305

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    Saying his kids are Nazis is a pretty bold claim. You should probably look up the word in a dictionary and if you still believe thats the case then come back with some receipts
     
  11. "Man faces small inconveniences for years of actively hurting thousands of people"
    My thoughts are with him
     
  12. mooshie78

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    They don't have to be even close to comparable for someone to think they're both bad for the country. One can be (and of course is) a gazillion times worse. Doesn't mean it's not a valid perfectly view for someone to not support the extremes on either side. And it's also perfectly valid for people to disagree with that view and think poorly of people that hold it if they want. There's too much focus on everyone having to be on one extreme or the other when in reality people fall all along the spectrum.

    Myself I have zero sympathy for alt right losers, racists, bigots, sexists, incels or anyone with those types of terrible and hateful views. I support the vast majority of protest efforts by Antifa, Black Life Matters and all the other groups out their doing good work. This shit from the right needs to be countered and voices heard. I do think some things go too far. I'm not terribly personally bothered by protests at people's homes. I just think it's probably counter productive in terms of impact. Fox isn't going to take him off the air and he's not going to resign and go hide--if anything, being wealthy they'll just hire more security or move to a more secure location. I also don't think it does anything to bring people to the cause or rile up the left base more than it already is, while it's very easy for the right to spin to keep their base riled up as well as impacting which way independents vote. So in that sense I think organized protests that disrupt capitals, traffic, headquarters of places like Fox News and so on will have more impact than going after individual people.

    But still, at the end of the day it's fighting voter suppression and getting out the vote that will lead to change and nothing else. Hopefully a lot of people going to these kind of protests, the ones tonight etc. also spent time canvassing their areas, driving people to the polls Tuesday and so forth on top of the protesting. Both matter, but real actions that get people on the left to the polls is what has the most impact on real change. Protesting is part of that of course, especially when aimed at stopping voter suppression and gerrymandering. Protesting individual people I don't see having much impact as even plenty on the left don't like a lot of those tactics and it's again easy ammo for the right to keep the Trump base fired up and turning out in super high numbers. For all the talk of suppression by Kemp in GA, the biggest factor was him being able to do even better than Trump did in a lot of the shitty rural counties as that base has stayed so riled up. The metro areas (aided by suppression, though it doesn't look to be worse than in 2016 as Abrams got more votes than Clinton) just haven't changed demographically enough (and with GOP control suppression will be the same) to counter a highly motivated rural base in Georgia yet. Best hope for a state-wide race here in the next election is that rural base getting less enthused about Trump as the metro area is unlikely to change enough. That's already tough and the more ammunition they have to rile those idiots up, the lesser the chances of defeating Trump in the rust belt, much less flipping places like GA or NC that were semi-close last time (compared to usual results).

    So protest, get involved, make a difference. Just be more mindful of whether the act is going to make the intended impact and balance that against how the right can spin it. Protesting individuals is unlikely to change--especially things like popular TV personalities who aren't getting fired or quitting as these things just up their popularity with their viewership who just sympathize more with them after such incidents. And it gives them ammo to go on the air and keep telling their audience how bad liberals are and ensuring super high turnout again in 2020 from red districts. I'd advise focusing protests, lawsuits etc at the state level and see what changes can be made to voter suppression efforts, election oversite and so on between now and then. That's the biggest chance of having an impact for 2020.

    Again, I don't feel bad for Carlson or any of these people. Fuck them. I just don't think it will have the desired impact is all and that protest efforts and energy could be more efficiently targeted.
     
  13. mooshie78

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    Sorry, double post from a "bad gateway" error message.
     
  14. Cybit

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    I still maintain that protesting in front of the Fox News office would get way more coverage, because if there's one thing the media is great at, it's navel gazing and writing stories about the media.
     
  15. lmcfigs

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  16. PMS341

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    Guys be nice to him.
     
  17. SmiteOfHand

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    If Tucker Carlson is supposed to be a representative of my own people, then yeah, fuck 'em, I'll take the foreigners just trying to live their lives in peace.
     
  18. JCG

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    That's quite a powerful statement. It took me a while to read the entire text and honestly reflect on it. People definitely need to speak up and fight against white supremacy and injustice in its many forms. Leaving this man alone would be a disgrace, because he deserves to be the target of protests and opposition. Nothing I've said suggests the guy should be allowed to get away with what he is doing or that the left (and any relevant allies) shouldn't mobilize and take action.

    I am also under no illusions regarding the fact that those who are currently suffering (and will continue to suffer) the most from the disgusting actions of Trump and the associated gang of criminals are, to say the least, marginalized folks. They are true victims who are experiencing far more pain and fear than anyone who was present at the house. In my mind, there is no room for comparison.

    My main concern was one of what tactics are the most effective in the current age of propaganda. Every specific action has variable consequences, both positive and negative, which should be analyzed. Maybe not by everyone, but at least by some people. Otherwise, errors in judgment can occur and those might unintentionally lead to even more pain and suffering for LGBT folks, immigrants and others by indirectly helping those in power in their manipulation of the situation. It's possible to favor some tactics over others without disagreeing about the moral justice behind the underlying issue or the need to do something.
     
  19. Torpedo Vegas

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  20. effingvic

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    Getting real sick of centrists and moderates. Every time these topics come up, I always go back to this comic routine.

     
  21. The Kree

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    He never stops to think what it might say about the conditions they're fleeing from that they'd risk coming to a country so openly hostile towards their arrival.
     
  22. Pooh

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    lmao

    Republicans have controlled every part of government for the last 2 years. Fox News LITERALLY drives policy in this country.

    YOU are the ruling class, Tucker, you fucking clown!
     
  23. Stellar

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    lol look at this piece of shit getting shook over a handful of people chanting outside of tucker's home. US supporting an absolutely horrendous massacre in Yemen, and treating immigrants like cattle by putting them in cages and making children stand trial and the Trump administration attacking every democratic institution in the country for the past 2 years and this is what really sets him off. Colbert is the poster child for white liberal with absolutely zero skin in the game trying to play morality police with minorities.
     
  24. Psychoward

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    Right except for the ~40 house seats that just flipped with great turn out.
     
  25. phazedplasma

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    Thank you, its extremely frustrating to watch people on this forum trip over themselves while trying to "both sides" everything.
     
  26. Do this at his house, but don't say stupid shit like "we know where you sleep at night". It's beyond stupid, and obviously counterproductive.
     
  27. Jecht

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    He and Stewart made their bones giving Fox News and Carlson another platform every week to spread their hate. Remember Stewart's trash takes from his "rally to restore sanity" where he said in no uncertain terms that we should be working with racists? Centrist dumbasses
     
  28. Psychoward

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    Read. Think.
     
  29. DrROBschiz

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    The battle lines are drawn

    If you think that taking the high road would prevent this fucker from taking the low road against you

    Think about that damn reporter that got body slammed, the girl that got run over, the children suffering in camps

    No peace for a fucker that laughs about mail bombs
     
  30. Psychoward

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    "No not this way of protesting, it needs to be peaceful"

    /peacefully protests

    "No not that way"

    Cool
     
  31. PMS341

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  32. Hecht

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    All right, I think this thread has gone on long enough. Gonna lock it and do a run through to see if anyone is seriously advocating for violence in this thread, however.
     
  33. Hecht

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    To clarify:

    Look, protesting, boycotting, civil disobedience, sure, fine. Screaming "FUCK THIS GUY?" Go for it. But things like "I hope someone kills him/burns down his house/anything else violent/illegal" - That's not going to fly, even as a "joke," and we aren't going to host that shit and such posts are going to be moderated accordingly.
     
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