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Tiger Woods authors one of the greatest sports stories of all time. Wins 5th Green Jacket. 15th Major.
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Is resetera desperate for traffic nowadays that this racist shit only warrants a warning? Which mod read this post and decided it's not ban worthy. Disgusting
You don't think a guy who was willing to drop 85k on a long shot bet was already a millionaire?
he needed that win b/c if he kept on not winning he might have to start pulling mid 30's white women.
This was the response I got after reporting it.
I dont know. Within the context of this thread its super sketchy and the person who posted hasnt come back to clarify what exactly it is they meant.
Probably going to regret this because I like this forum and really don't want to get banned but since I actually do care about racism and find it completely unacceptable I refuse to stand by and say nothing.
I am going to share the reason that guy only got a warning (since I reported him and this was the response.)
"Unfortunately, your recent report has been rejected: Post in thread 'Tiger Woods authors one of the greatest sports stories of all time. Wins 5th Green Jacket. 15th Major.' - We do not believe that the user was using this in a racist manner, given their post history that calls out racism, and their investment in issues concerning black people. The meaning of this word can change drastically depending on context. That's why have received a warning rather than a ban"
I am sorry but context is irrelevant, like I said before, if it was a black cop calling a young black kid the N word and he tried to justify it because of "context" and because his personal convictions told him it was justified would that be ok?
No, it would be racist, just like the use of the word coon to describe Tiger is racist.
Personal opinion on an individual shouldn't give a free pass to spout words like that with hateful history behind them.
Using the N word as a friendly greeting and taking the hate out of the word and taking the power away from racists I can fully understand but the word coon is being used in a hateful manner here to describe Tiger, how is that justifiable?
It's racist imo.
I am going to share the reason that guy only got a warning (since I reported him and this was the response.)
"Unfortunately, your recent report has been rejected: Post in thread 'Tiger Woods authors one of the greatest sports stories of all time. Wins 5th Green Jacket. 15th Major.' - We do not believe that the user was using this in a racist manner, given their post history that calls out racism, and their investment in issues concerning black people. The meaning of this word can change drastically depending on context. That's why have received a warning rather than a ban"
I am sorry but context is irrelevant, like I said before, if it was a black cop calling a young black kid the N word and he tried to justify it because of "context" and because his personal convictions told him it was justified would that be ok?
No, it would be racist, just like the use of the word coon to describe Tiger is racist.
Personal opinion on an individual shouldn't give a free pass to spout words like that with hateful history behind them.
Using the N word as a friendly greeting and taking the hate out of the word and taking the power away from racists I can fully understand but the word coon is being used in a hateful manner here to describe Tiger, how is that justifiable?
It's racist imo.
Please, tell me how you really feel. My post was a dig at the forum in general and not at either poster I quoted FWIW
Glad I'm not alone in my thinking. Whoever moderated that is off, IMO.
Coon said by a black dude about a black dude aint racist, it has a different meaning. But for me Tiger is just a dickhead, he aint Kanye.
Exactly. There's no context needed. It's easy for ppl to pretend to be for black people and call out racists in disguise. That poster couldn't help but show his true colours. Ridiculous
It's pretty much this. It means an uncle Tom. Context really does matter. The meaning of words can change depending on the person who is saying it.
I disagree brother, sorry, using a racist term in a hateful fashion is racist, irrespective of race imo,there is no need to use that word, not trying to start an argument just giving my opinion on it.
By all means people can insult Tiger but that word has a significant history behind it and it's not even like how the N word was reclaimed for use in a positive context, this is just used in a degrading fashion towards Tiger because they disagree with his personal decisions.
Would it be ok for a black cop to call a kid from the streets the hard N word because he felt it was justified? Hell no man, I can't agree with this logic.
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By all accounts, Tiger Woods isn't even close to being the same person he was even a few years ago.
Life has humbled him and it's easy to tell how that humility has shaped him. He is a completely different person. So you're out of date with the "huge jerk" claim.
Tiger in the past would've never formed the friendships he's forged with the young stars on tour these days. Or been willing to reach out for help and rely on others. Or, or, or.... fact is, Tiger suffered through self inflicted wounds and injury that tore him down and came through on the other side a better person. So many aspects which make what he accomplished today all the more legendary.
Greatest sports comeback ever from one of favorite athletes ever. Like many other people (especially minorities),I only started watching golf because of tiger. I'm so fucking happy today. Plus lefty was way back in the pack lol.
(Now gimme some of what he's taking!)
(Now gimme some of what he's taking!)
How is anyone supposed to know that the poster is black? To the random user it looks like unchecked racism.
The meaning from who is saying it isn't really relevant when it's some anonymous person on a forum.
Allowing that post to stand the way it is is more harmful than anything "positive" that person could have posted in another thread. Since when does having a certain stance in one thread give you a free pass in another.
Sure, that's why you cut off the part of my post talking about the sports aspect of it. Riiiight. smfh.
Anyway, I'll reiterate that it's an absolutely incredible sports achievement. Easily among the greatest comeback stories of all-time considering his back injuries, how much time he missed and how bad his game got due to those issues. The chase for Jack's Majors-won record will revitalize PGA ratings as long as Tiger's playing in those Majors and is contention. He's not far off and is still plenty young enough to get there, if his back/body holds up. If he gets there, that'll be one of the greatest sports stories of my lifetime, by far.
That being said, that doesn't mean I have to personally like the guy and none of it has to do with his infidelities or whatever, that's really none of my business. It's more that he's just a rich apolitical asshole who pals around with Trump. And I don't think mentioning that is taking away from his achievement.
What if everyone went around this forum calling every black person a coon though? And when called out they say "it's ok I'm black". ? I've grown up around black people my whole life and only ever heard racist shitheads use that.
Yup, I'm am not about to police a Black person using that word, fully allowed. It's like if I said , "stop your nonsense you're being a "f****t" to one of my fellow lgbt folks,they would 100% get my meaning and not try and call me prejudiced or some nonsense
You literally posted to argue against the mods interpretation.
Id liken Tiger to a Frankenstein jordan/shaq. Like, they had to literally change all the golf courses because of tiger destroying them all like how rules had to change because of shaq.
I'm black, and I've heard it used in the context of an uncle tom for literally my entire life.
Don't call me brother plz. I get you, but some have reclaimed coon as well. I don't use it myself.
Look at mans posts? Mods have obviously done it and were sure he was black.
Tiger isn't a member of Era
That person has to be friends with a Mod that is the only way that isn't a ban.
No, I posted because I think it's racist and context is irrelevant as far as I am concerned.
If I didn't care I wouldn't have even bothered saying anything but I wanted to speak out against it, is that an issue?
You just censored yourself in your post... so no.. I don't think you're going to call someone that on this forum and think you'll get a pass.. nor should you.
You can tell skin color by someone's post? It's not whether technically a black person is ok saying it, because it is.. it shouldn't be OK on a forum where it can look like as being accepting of a racist term.
Yeah and neither do I, so I guess we are on the same page here.
I don't think that word being used in a hateful way (like it was against Tiger) is a reclaimation of anything though, I think it's just perpetuating the cycle of racism.
I was never a huge Tiger fan, and after all the shit that happened I liked him even less, but the man is the GOAT, and what he did was like 10 years ago let that shit go if you are still holding on to it and stop acting like you have never made a mistake in your life. Him winning a Major is massive for Golf and I hope he keeps doing it. Fucking amazing.
Had to one up roger Federer in the "everyone thinks he's washed" but he comes back and proves them wrong.
With regard to reclaimed language
Official Staff Communication
A lot of posters seem confused on a few points, so to explain:
The word "coon" has indeed historically been used as a derogatory slur to degrade black people. However, it has more recently gained a different meaning within the black community, where it is used to refer to black persons who willingly subjugate themselves to white supremacy. This is an example of reclaimed language and, when used by black people, is not a slur.
We have always provided some leeway for reclaimed language used by minority members on this board. The reason the contemporary usage of "coon" can be actioned at all is because it is always a negative term with the potential to inflame.
We look at context, apparent intent, and user history to make these judgments. These deliberations are always led by relevant minority staff. After further discussion we've upgraded the penalty in this case to a ban because the attack seems uncalled for, but there should be no misunderstandings about the meaning and connotations of the term in this context.
If you see a post with language you find concerning, you are encouraged to report it so that we can make an informed decision. If you have further questions you are welcome to PM a Mod Captain. In this thread however it is time to get back on topic; further derails will be moderated.
The word "coon" has indeed historically been used as a derogatory slur to degrade black people. However, it has more recently gained a different meaning within the black community, where it is used to refer to black persons who willingly subjugate themselves to white supremacy. This is an example of reclaimed language and, when used by black people, is not a slur.
We have always provided some leeway for reclaimed language used by minority members on this board. The reason the contemporary usage of "coon" can be actioned at all is because it is always a negative term with the potential to inflame.
We look at context, apparent intent, and user history to make these judgments. These deliberations are always led by relevant minority staff. After further discussion we've upgraded the penalty in this case to a ban because the attack seems uncalled for, but there should be no misunderstandings about the meaning and connotations of the term in this context.
If you see a post with language you find concerning, you are encouraged to report it so that we can make an informed decision. If you have further questions you are welcome to PM a Mod Captain. In this thread however it is time to get back on topic; further derails will be moderated.
Roman Reigns will be here.
Anyways I wonder what the ratings are going to be
This was way more impressive than what Fed did. Fed stayed healthy and just continued to work hard and evolve culminating in him solving Nadal at the Australian.
Tiger was playing like a bum 3-4 years ago and his resurgence last year was amazing. To come back from that to win at the Masters is just amazing from the shell he was previously.
Jack Nicklaus was on young tigers wall for a reason, I think even Tiger has said Jack is goat.