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Twig

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Oct 25, 2017
7,486
So I did buy the first volume of the light novels.

She writhed on the ground, struggling against her captor with her weak arms, her ample chest bouncing. It was not a wise choice. The irritated goblin took his dagger and drove it hard into her stomach.

lol ok

Lying on the ground, an arrow in her shoulder, the young girl's thin frame shook with fear. Her sweet, classically lovely face framed by long hair almost a translucent gold was scrunched up into a mess of tears and sweat. Her slim arms, her feet—her whole gorgeous body was clad in the vestments of a priestess. The sounding staff she clutched jangled, the rings hanging on it striking one another in time with the quaking of her hands.

but why

At least the manga and anime come by it honest, I suppose.

That said, as others have said, yes, absolutely, the LN up to the end of the first episode only mentions rape and "violations" in passing, instead of going into gruesome detail like the fetishists in charge of the manga and anime do. So... there's that.

Also just gonna throw out that no work of fiction that literally refers to characters as "Guild Girl" and "Cow Girl", as if that's their actual names, can in any reasonable capacity be considered "dark fantasy".
 

SENPAIatLARGE

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,501
Looking at the isekai releasing next year, the "Op protag that is level one billion,is better than everyone else, is pretty much always right and has no character flaws acknowledged in-story" will still be the norm for the near future. (Which makes sense since those are a huge chunk of current light novel releases.)
The only one i can see looking at that list that don't follow that trend is the spider isekai.
But Re:Zero and Konosuba bucked the trend and we're great. Unfortunately they seem to be the exception, not the rule
 

Monster Zero

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Nov 5, 2017
5,612
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So I did buy the first volume of the light novels.



lol ok



but why

At least the manga and anime come by it honest, I suppose.

That said, as others have said, yes, absolutely, the LN up to the end of the first episode only mentions rape and "violations" in passing, instead of going into gruesome detail like the fetishists in charge of the manga and anime do. So... there's that.

Also just gonna throw out that no work of fiction that literally refers to characters as "Guild Girl" and "Cow Girl", as if that's their actual names, can in any reasonable capacity be considered "dark fantasy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fantasy
 

Z1r2y3

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Oct 28, 2017
287
So I did buy the first volume of the light novels.

"She writhed on the ground, struggling against her captor with her weak arms, her ample chest bouncing. It was not a wise choice. The irritated goblin took his dagger and drove it hard into her stomach."

lol ok

"Lying on the ground, an arrow in her shoulder, the young girl's thin frame shook with fear. Her sweet, classically lovely face framed by long hair almost a translucent gold was scrunched up into a mess of tears and sweat. Her slim arms, her feet—her whole gorgeous body was clad in the vestments of a priestess. The sounding staff she clutched jangled, the rings hanging on it striking one another in time with the quaking of her hands."

but why



At least the manga and anime come by it honest, I suppose.

That said, as others have said, yes, absolutely, the LN up to the end of the first episode only mentions rape and "violations" in passing, instead of going into gruesome detail like the fetishists in charge of the manga and anime do. So... there's that.

I am dying lmao
 

Mendrox

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
9,439
So I did buy the first volume of the light novels.



lol ok



but why

At least the manga and anime come by it honest, I suppose.

That said, as others have said, yes, absolutely, the LN up to the end of the first episode only mentions rape and "violations" in passing, instead of going into gruesome detail like the fetishists in charge of the manga and anime do. So... there's that.

Also just gonna throw out that no work of fiction that literally refers to characters as "Guild Girl" and "Cow Girl", as if that's their actual names, can in any reasonable capacity be considered "dark fantasy".

Dude these are typical DnD names which the whole thing is based off.
 

Chindogg

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,241
East Lansing, MI
Man some of y'all are way too invested in feeling morally superior to others in this thread.

If you don't like it that's fine, and understandable as the beginning is rather hard to swallow. But others happen to like the characters and enjoy seeing how the story goes along.

At this point we've moved past having a serious debate on the first chapter/episode/volume and have now just moved on to piling on people for no real reason.

Famous prestige class, Cow Girl.

Give it a rest dude. You made your point and continue to push on this without any real end goal.
 

Twig

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Oct 25, 2017
7,486
Yeah whatever :) maybe look at all the other names too and you see what i meant
Barbarian the Barbarian, the classic tale from author Robert E. Howard.

I'm not sure what your point is. I have played D&D. I understand that many of the names are just classes or some combination of class and race and gender. That... doesn't take away from the fact that one of the characters important to the story is quite literally called "Cow Girl". Bonus, she got big ol' honkin' hooters. Well-known feature of cows. I guess.

It is absolutely comical!

Give it a rest dude. You made your point and continue to push on this without any real end goal.

That's an odd thing to quote for what you said. I'm not sure what your point is, either. Am I wrong to call out how ridiculous the name "Cow Girl" is?

I happen to like Goblin Slayer, by the way. Or, well, parts of it, anyway.
 

Depths

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,512
So I had never heard of this manga or anime before today. I read 7 chapters of the manga today. All I got from it was boring by the books base level D&D shit. There are points where they talk about how many spells they have available. It's really bad. I kept waiting for a point for it to become interesting but it never happened.

The characters are referred to by their class names for some reason. None of them have any character or backstory, aside from "Goblin Slayer" who's backstory is that he hates Goblins because they killed his family or something,

People are so stuck up on some girls getting raped by a goblin and not the fact that it's just a boring piece of work.

Like wtf even is this? It's some weird derivative of Lodoss War and D&D. Designed for teens.
 

Twig

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Oct 25, 2017
7,486
I can't stop laughing send help pls
While reading, I definitely did a... is there a word for double-take that never ends?

It's surprisingly NOT as dry as I was expecting. A fairly quick and smooth read! And honestly, those instances of out-of-place sexualization are somewhat rare (so far). Guess I'll be checking in with the sorceress lady soon enough, though...
 

Yukari

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Mar 28, 2018
11,711
Thailand
talk about konosuba i think that series will go more seriou when demon lord full appear somehow.
He was isekai heroes that was summond by Aqua and he declare war with human because Aqua's Cult (axis order) and Crimson Magic Clan (Megumi village)
 

AriesM4rch

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Oct 27, 2017
313
As I said in another thread on here about this, the use of rape as shock value and treatment of the female characters makes it gross; but it also does nothing original and is just boring.

I'm not going to shame those who enjoy it, but from what I've seen some defend it to the death like it's without faults.
 

MotionBlue

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
738
Berzerk and a couple other popular manga are a million times worse than anything in Goblin Slayer(Eclipse arc in Berzerk is haunting, decades later). Goblin Slayer has a couple of gratuitous scenes to highlight just how horrible goblins are, the entire premise of the story is based upon that. The Light Novels are great, and the sexual violence is nearly absent.
 

Trojita

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Oct 25, 2017
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Looking at the isekai releasing next year, the "Op protag that is level one billion,is better than everyone else, is pretty much always right and has no character flaws acknowledged in-story" will still be the norm for the near future. (Which makes sense since those are a huge chunk of current light novel releases.)
The only one i can see looking at that list that don't follow that trend is the spider isekai.
Spider is still heading towards OP route. It's just a fun read as she gets more broken. I was actually disappointed with a spoiler I read for the LN's, but being able to read more of the manga has me okay with it since it isn't an automatic thing and the goal for it is introduced earlier enough.

That she will eventually turn into an arachne. I read this when only the first couple of chapters of the manga were out, but since they introduced the evolution path, I became cool with it.

Smartphone and Death March MC's are literally the same character. I figured they'd at least do something cool with the smartphone access; having him advance medieval civilization with the vast knowledge human history, progress, and technology in the palm of his hands. He only uses it once in the show to do this, giving a recipe for Ice Cream. All other times he uses it as a god level terminal which might as well not even be a smartphone or marketed as such. It wasn't enough to give him that, he had to have full mastery of all magic types and all unique magic types, the former being almost impossible and the latter being ridiculously impossible in universe and whose access to makes it so he can literally never lose to an opponent, since he'll just copy their unique skill with all his other skills and magic. It would be very obvious to a moderately experienced swordsman, especially the one beast king, that his skill with a sword is that of a novice that just took up the blade.
 

BaconHat

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
5,104
Spider is still heading towards OP route. It's just a fun read as she gets more broken. I was actually disappointed with a spoiler I read for the LN's, but being able to read more of the manga has me okay with it since it isn't an automatic thing and the goal for it is introduced earlier enough.

Smartphone and Death March MC's are literally the same character. I figured they'd at least do something cool with the smartphone access; having him advance medieval civilization with the vast knowledge human history, progress, and technology in the palm of his hands. He only uses it once in the show to do this, giving a recipe for Ice Cream. All other times he uses it as a god level terminal which might as well not even be a smartphone or marketed as such. It wasn't enough to give him that, he had to have full mastery of all magic types and all unique magic types, the former being almost impossible and the latter being ridiculously impossible in universe and whose access to makes it so he can literally never lose to an opponent, since he'll just copy their unique skill with all his other skills and magic. It would be very obvious to a moderately experienced swordsman, especially the one beast king, that his skill with a sword is that of a novice that just took up the blade.

Yeah, those type of character are pretty much why i don't like most work in the genre.
A main character can and should be more than simple wish fufillment for the author.
 
Oct 29, 2017
5,299
Minnesota
I wound up watching the second episode, and I feel like there's a good show somewhere in here if it plays its cards right. Goblin Slayer's obsession isn't painted as healthy, and I can see him bringing everyone around him down in some degree. If the show decides to shift some focus to the characters, it could get pretty good.

I don't think it will, but it's also just kind of a fun 22 minutes too, so I'll probably continue it and then forget I watched it not long after it's over. It is a very basic DnD style show.
 

caliph95

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Oct 25, 2017
35,192
Yeah, those type of character are pretty much why i don't like most work in the genre.
A main character can and should be more than simple wish fufillment for the author.
Light novels sounds like fan fiction that somehow got published because there's seems to be a lot of wish fulfillment Gary stus
 

Trojita

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, those type of character are pretty much why i don't like most work in the genre.
A main character can and should be more than simple wish fufillment for the author.
They've taken the wish-fulfillment aspect a little too far in the LN industry. They've come to a point where the characters exhibit little to no personality, are "nice guys", and don't really seem to have a penis. They all come from the same mold.

The Smartphone MC 99.99% of the time has no personality, pretty much acts most of the time like he doesn't have any libido at all, but later on the only personality he ever shows is when .01% of the time he goes full on perverted creep.

Say what you will of harem MC's before the Isekai genre bloomed, but at least they had a personality even if viewers disagreed with how they approached situations.
 

BaconHat

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
5,104
They've taken the wish-fulfillment aspect a little too far in the LN industry. They've come to a point where the characters exhibit little to no personality, are "nice guys", and don't really seem to have a penis. They all come from the same mold.

The Smartphone MC 99.99% of the time has no personality, pretty much acts most of the time like he doesn't have any libido at all, but later on the only personality he ever shows is when .01% of the time he goes full on perverted creep.

Say what you will of harem MC's before the Isekai genre bloomed, but at least they had a personality even if viewers disagreed with how they approached situations.
It's almost funny how so many of them have no personality or clear goals they wish to attain and yet are painted as perfect and righteous in everything they do.
 

caliph95

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's almost funny how so many of them have no personality or clear goals they wish to attain and yet are painted as perfect and righteous in everything they do.
That's to make them easy for the readers and writers to project themselves on to the bland MC

I know why they don't pick a girl they actually like because then the readers can't have best girls wars but it's weird they so non sexual and I doubt it's because they're asexual
 

pizoxuat

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Jan 12, 2018
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I've read the translations for the web novel of Spider, and there is a turning point in the story where I became less invested in her as a character, the sheer level of broken she manages to achieve through hard work and cleverness, the ways in which she applies it, and the way she relates to other characters keeps me amused. Except for one character, who I feel bad for and wish had never been written. She is the focus point of the only scene in the webnovel that makes me concerned about my daughter reading the light novel, and I'll have to see if that's a scene that makes it over or not when the light novels get there.

Still, the first 200-ish chapters of Spider are my favorite web novel ever.
 

BaconHat

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
5,104
That's to make them easy for the readers and writers to project themselves on to the bland MC

I know why they don't pick a girl they actually like because then the readers can't have best girls wars but it's weird they so non sexual and I doubt it's because they're asexual
Having seen some isekai where the character is sexual... The alternative is really not better. It mostly devolves into borderline porn if not outright. Heck, the reason why i originally stopped reading everything in the genre a while back was one that became a rape fantasy that was treated as a good thing in-story. It pissed me off to no end.
 

caliph95

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Oct 25, 2017
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Having seen some isekai where the character is sexual... The alternative is really not better. It mostly devolves into borderline porn if not outright. Heck, the reason why i originally stopped reading everything in the genre a while back was one that became a rape fantasy that was treated as a good thing in-story. It pissed me off to no end.
Ugh how
 

LucidMomentum

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Nov 18, 2017
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Having seen some isekai where the character is sexual... The alternative is really not better. It mostly devolves into borderline porn if not outright. Heck, the reason why i originally stopped reading everything in the genre a while back was one that became a rape fantasy that was treated as a good thing in-story. It pissed me off to no end.

But the rape fantasies that are treated as things that "just happen" in the story but are drawn so well that certain people enjoy them don't piss you off?

Like, to me Rape as a narrative device is already a touchy subject, but then to glorify it with such detail is a little suss.

(Yes I read and enjoy Berserk. No I don't enjoy the rape scenes and it's one of the reasons I never recommend it to anyone.)
 

Ratrat

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Oct 27, 2017
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Having seen some isekai where the character is sexual... The alternative is really not better. It mostly devolves into borderline porn if not outright. Heck, the reason why i originally stopped reading everything in the genre a while back was one that became a rape fantasy that was treated as a good thing in-story. It pissed me off to no end.
How do you go about choosing stuff? Everything has tags. You can spot degenerate trash a mile away.
There are a few that is highly questionable, like that one where the Mc become a demon lord of some sort and then he does sexual acts with basically every women in the story, etc etc. Most are pretty harmless but a few can be... yeah, problematic.
That is the plot of like a thousand different web novels.
 
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Skittles

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Oct 25, 2017
8,274
So I did buy the first volume of the light novels.



lol ok



but why

At least the manga and anime come by it honest, I suppose.

That said, as others have said, yes, absolutely, the LN up to the end of the first episode only mentions rape and "violations" in passing, instead of going into gruesome detail like the fetishists in charge of the manga and anime do. So... there's that.

Also just gonna throw out that no work of fiction that literally refers to characters as "Guild Girl" and "Cow Girl", as if that's their actual names, can in any reasonable capacity be considered "dark fantasy".
Holy shit that writing lmao. Wheres that thread about Male authors writing about women? Itd fit in perfect there
 

caliph95

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Oct 25, 2017
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(Yes I read and enjoy Berserk. No I don't enjoy the rape scenes and it's one of the reasons I never recommend it to anyone.)
To defend Berserk there's some attempted rape scenes that just feel like a cheap tension especially rape horse which is more goofy then anything

But at least the main characters was treated with seriousness
 

pizoxuat

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Jan 12, 2018
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At least in the novel Slime's protagonist identifies as asexual. He likes big boobies because they feel like his own slime body, but he has no sex organs and no sex drive. Even when he transforms into a humanoid form, he doesn't have sex organs.

Don't know if the anime will ever touch on that, since that's all internal monologue revelations.
 

Ratrat

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't watch much anime, but does anyone know why the similarly creatively bankrupt 'Villainess' isekai stories aren't getting adapted? Or did I just miss them?
 

Trojita

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Oct 25, 2017
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Having seen some isekai where the character is sexual... The alternative is really not better. It mostly devolves into borderline porn if not outright. Heck, the reason why i originally stopped reading everything in the genre a while back was one that became a rape fantasy that was treated as a good thing in-story. It pissed me off to no end.
Yeah there's no balance at all. It seems to either to tip to one end or the other.

Possibly the worst web novel in content I've seen is Dungeon Seeker. That author REALLY seems to hate women. From what I've seen the manga is removing all of that.
 

BaconHat

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Oct 25, 2017
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But the rape fantasies that are treated as things that "just happen" in the story but are drawn so well that certain people enjoy them don't piss you off?

Like, to me Rape as a narrative device is already a touchy subject, but then to glorify it with such detail is a little suss.

(Yes I read and enjoy Berserk. No I don't enjoy the rape scenes and it's one of the reasons I never recommend it to anyone.)

The two i'm thinking of were sex slaves the protagonist bought, and the other one i would argue would be what's in goblin slayer if the protagonists were the goblins.

The way it was treated in the story, like this was for the norm and the "normal, acceptable thing to do" for the protagonist, pissed me off to no end. Then the story had the gall to tell me they liked it and i could not look at that piece of shit anymore.
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
25,974
Tbilisi, Georgia
There's this dark fantasy super sentai hybrid series called Garo.

It has a depiction of rape in it's first episode as a part of repressions against a particular organization.

How is it depicted? A two second shot of captive women (if I remember correctly, not in a particular state of undress and certainly no tittilating perspectives), followed by a shot of the sleazy captors fastening their belts.

This was all the show needed to do to get across that rape had transpired.

The whole scene takes several seconds tops and is not given any more focus than the other horrific repressions faced by members of this group, be they men or women.

Even in the context of "RAPE HAPPENS IN MY DARK FANTASY CRAPSACK WORLD" you can do a lot better than having tittilating rape scenes.
 

massoluk

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Oct 25, 2017
6,586
Thailand
Reading this last page... Ya'all are about to see the glory that is Release That Witch real soon. The real Isekai web novel adaptation I've been waiting for
 
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Qvoth

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Oct 26, 2017
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Is that the isekai where main character is reborn as the female antagonist of an otome game?
 

Twig

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Oct 25, 2017
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I read some more last night.

Hearing that casual, self-possessed walk, she slid her naked body off her straw bed, gave a great stretch and a yawn. Then she pulled some underwear over her voluptuous form before opening the window. The cool, bracing morning wind blew in. "Good morning! Up early as always, I see!" Cow Girl rested her vast bosom on the window frame and leaned out, calling to his back as he looked at the fence.

so VAST!!!

He strode along the tree-lined road to town, Cow Girl following behind him, pulling the cart. Each time the load jostled over the gravel, her chest bounced right along with it.

i needed to know this

Blushing, she hurriedly lowered herself into the chair next to him. Her little behind made a cute buhmp as she sat down.

my buhmps my buhmps my buhmps

...

And in case you're wondering how the men are typically described...

Cow Girl saw a spear-wielding adventurer eagerly relating his exploits to the girl at the front desk. His impressively slim body, which seemed composed of almost solid muscle, spoke of his strength. The tag around his neck showed he was a Silver-ranked adventurer.

50 shades is right.
 

StrayDog

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Jul 14, 2018
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why do the people here are translating 牛飼娘 as cow girl instead rancher girl, cowgirl, herdsgirl?
 
Nov 17, 2017
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Once again, I never claimed that it overrode the main premise. I said it stood alongside it as a core aspect of the series; I even clarified that yes, it is not the main premise of the series. If you'd like continue to assert otherwise, please directly quote where you're getting that from and I'll explain to you why you're wrong.

None of anything else you are saying really detracts from my point. In fact, some of it actively supports that rape is a core aspect of the series as a result of being a world building plot point. Rape is not merely referenced through the series, it is not just alluded to. It is built into and underlies every part of it. It is a primary motivation for goblin attacks on humans, why they are so aggressive and the main tool the work uses to show their brutality and lack of sympathy. Goblins exist to be killed, and the main motivation the work gives us readers (not necessarily the characters, mind you) is because of the horrible sexual violence they use against women. The few times we see goblins exhibit any other emotion than murderous anger is while the process of attempted rape, and even the goblin bosses frame rape as a threat, or as part of their history (one goblin actually blames women's emotional weakness for how he was able to survive for so long, as he is picturing himself raping them). When Goblin Slayer, at least the manga, needs to remind us how "dire" the situation is or how terrible the goblins are, it uses rape or the threat of rape against a character to communicate just how bad things are. And it reminds the reader constantly, with framing that juxtaposes terribly with how leery it is in comparison to how it shows murderous violence and always uses young female characters. It's part of the Priestess' starting trauma, and the aspect of her trauma that she most interacts with as a result of her own attempted assault, what she witnesses before Goblin Slayer enters the stage, and what she finds once they rescue the fighter girl. Another major character is centrally defined by her experiences with goblins, and while this could in another way be an interesting look at how powerful characters can live with and move past their trauma, I can't say that it works like that here. Every other female character at the very least must live under the specter of rape as a result of the narrative being so intertwined with rape as a primary motivator for the goblins.

It isn't just keeping a worldbuilding plot relevant, it is both in the background and the foreground of Goblin Slayer, and it is most certainly an actual focus of the visual narrative. Sexual violence is the visual narrative of why we should hate the goblins. None of this is me reaching, this isn't something that is subtle. If rape is part of your central narrative, is a relevant part/threat of every single female character's history in the past or going forward, is the way goblins attempt to assert their dominance over human beings and their reason for aggression (which in turn undercuts every character's motivations against them), and is the main method used to reinforce the dark nature of the world, then I can't even begin to imagine how you could assert that it isn't a core aspect of your series.

The creators wanted a way to engender harsh feelings from their reader while simultaneously reinforcing how dark the world is. They not only chose rape to be the primary way to accomplish this, but also they chose to depict it in the manner and frequency they did. Once again, there is another work out there with a similar starting premise that manages to not have rape end up as a defining aspect of the series that it will go constantly go back to. There are other ways of giving the characters primary motivation without constantly falling back on rape shots with gratuitous framing, and I won't laud Goblin Slayer for constantly going with one.

It doesn't have to be a "rape-focused work" to feature rape as a central aspect of the story. That would make it a hentai. What it does do is intertwine rape so much with the central narrative that it disproportionately distorts so many other aspects of the series to ultimately lead to it. Which the creators did not have to do. They chose to force this centrality.

Rape is a major part of Goblin Slayer's central narrative, is it's emotional crutch, and is a major part of character development (or lack thereof). I assert again: It is a core aspect of the series.
Exactly.


Eh to say that Goblin Slayer pandering to "rape porn enthusiast" make it seem like the rape scenes in Goblin Slayer are designed with people masturbating to it in mind.... Maybe it's just me, but there's nothing 'sexy' or 'arousing' in the way the manga depicts the rape scenes, it's just blergh, disgusting, horrifying.

I legit question the sanity of people using those scenes to pleasure their dicks.
You're talking about the manga? I think you might need to reread because they definitely do tend to pose and focus on the women's bodies in ways and at angles that seem designed more to titillate than to simply convey the idea that rape is happening. The violence tends to be more low key and censored than the rape in some ways which is ironic considering how much goblin slaying happens.

The content doesn't need to be sexy or arousing to you personally in order to see how they might be drawing it with the intent to be. When you consider that every rape victim in the manga is a curvy, traditionally attractive, young woman usually with big breasts, I think it goes beyond just the idea that goblins simply target women to procreate. The art work takes care to show us their naked bodies in clear view, usually in large panels taking the focus of the page and angles that focus on their bodies with a male gaze. For example, there's a panel in the first chapter where the monk yells to the Priestess to run as she lays there pinned down and out of all the ways they could've chosen to show this, they have the viewpoint directly behind her so you mostly only see her naked ass and legs from close up view. That's ignoring the way the goblins are incredibly efficient at stripping off her entire outfit in one panel so that we get a full view of her nude body or how they pose her in a very specific position that feels unnecessary.

I think there were a lot of ways to have the goblins rape the monk without showing it so gratuitously. They were in a dark cave, they could've obscured some details. There were many goblins ripping her clothes off at once, they could've shown what they were clearly doing without giving us such a clear and detailed look at her body. Maybe have it so that several goblins hold her down so that their bodies are blocking a full view of it. After all, they did this with the male adventure who was killed just pages earlier. Perhaps don't dedicate a full panel to the monk's ass as the goblin grips it and leers towards her crotch. The goblins could have, instead of raping her right then and there, dragged her back into their den which then would have made it obvious what had happened when the Goblin Slayer and Priestess made their way back there, especially since the goblins ended up dragging her back there to rape her more anyway. At the very least, they didn't have to show provocative and male gazey angles and poses to depict the rape. It's very unnecessary and gratuitous unless they had the intention to show it off a bit which I fully believe they did. They could've have shown that the goblins are evil, that bad things happen in this world, that it's a dark fantasy where women are raped without showing it the way they chose to.