1. Klyka

    Klyka
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    It's a joke my man :P
     
  2. BigWinnie1

    BigWinnie1
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    Oh i didn't realize. I just remember Checking in on my way home after work and seeing how that whole conversation spiraled. I was like ' I got to clear this shit up before it spirals worse' lol
     
  3. Monster Zero

    Monster Zero
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    Any spoilers you can give about what's going on in the current novels. I thought I remember you mentioning something about the goblins changing or gaining a scary ability.
     
  4. Spyder_Monkey

    Spyder_Monkey
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    I think the difference between Berserk and Goblin Slayer is that Berserk spent time building up and developing Casca to we can empathize with her as a person so seeing her turned into basically a sex object is supposed to enrage us because we, the audience, know after the entire Golden age arc that it's flat out disgusting. In contrast, both the Spellcaster and Fighter are codified as eye candy right out of the gate especially in contrast to the Priestess, who's not only more modest in comparison but it actually came out of the thing the least scathed, so it makes what happens to Spellcaster and Fighter look more titillating because they're the most titillating characters to begin with. And yeah, Casca does get naked a couple of times in Berserk but those also come during moments of intimacy with Guts and she's never codified as a fan service character otherwise.

    Honestly Goblin Slayer's biggest problem is that it doesn't really spend anytime building anything up. Also what's super weird is that a similar thing happens in a later episode except it's handled so much better which makes episode 1 all the more pointless.
     
  5. Khezu

    Khezu
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    Weird question about Goblin Rape(that's a thing I just typed), how was it in the original LN?
    Just curious to hear how bad it was, or if the people adapting the manga and anime are taking some creative liberties for the sake of fan service.
     
  6. BigWinnie1

    BigWinnie1
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    It was literally two lines If I remember right. I think the manga took it to far but the Anime expanded it to make sense in animated form because the LN was super abrupt and kinda jumped almost directly to magician getting stabbed and Goblin slayer coming to wreck house.

    In the LN I don't think we even get much details about the party and how they mishandled the cave exploration and their mistakes like the Manga and Anime did.

    I give him benifet of the doubt because his writing becomes alot better after the first 2 volumes and he gets comfortable. He also develops the shit out of characters after the first 2 volumes because I think that when he settled one his main cast and the supporting characters for the most part.
     
  7. symphonic cacophony

    symphonic cacophony
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    It's mostly two types of posts in the for/against the show arguments :

    Type A bashes Goblin Slayer to demonstrates their moral superiority
    Type B defends the show, but tip toes around problems like does the rape has to be fetishized to prove a point.

    I think Goblin Slayer is like the Saw movie franchise. Saw has an iconic trap that can rip a person's face apart, do the audience need to see that before they are convinced that Jigsaw MIGHT be a deranged psycho killer? No, because Saw belongs to a genre called torture-porn, face ripping is the money shot.

    Like Goblin Slayer, Saw is a very successful movie franchise with many many sequels. Torture-porn isn't my things, but everytime I pass by people lining up to see Saw, I don't feel the urge to scream "Degenerates" in their faces either.

    Does everyone realized by now that Goblin Slayer is a JRPG satire that leans on controversial contents to distinguish itself from the other 20,000 Isekai anime and manga?
     
  8. Kitsunelaine

    Kitsunelaine
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    ftfy but i guess you're a mind reader so everyone's gotta be faking it for #moralpoints or whatever the fuck is being argued here
     
  9. symphonic cacophony

    symphonic cacophony
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    • User Banned (2 Weeks): Insensitive and antagonistic trolling. Account still in junior phase.
    My mind reading super power tells me that you saw the phrase "moral superiority", got triggered, and then rushed to post your hot take without reading the rest.
     
  10. Twig

    Twig
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    Hahah, nice. :P
     
  11. Twig

    Twig
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    Whooooooa slow down there cowboy. You wouldn't want to be caught using gamergate-esque rhetoric and called out.
     
  12. Kitsunelaine

    Kitsunelaine
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    I mean they basically already used the word "Virtue signalling" without saying it
     
  13. Aurongel

    Aurongel
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    Critiquing goblin jizz and rape fetishization is my favorite way to express my moral superiority.
     
  14. Veggen

    Veggen
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    But how can anyone be genuinely upset at goblin semen poisoning rape victims when someone directed torture porn 10-15 years ago?
     
  15. The poster isn't wrong and nothing in the rest of the posts claims that people may be also genuinely upset rather than having some sort of moral superiority stance, but go ahead and just reply with "hot takes" and "triggered" in order to avoid being called on your hot take.
     
  16. Kitsunelaine

    Kitsunelaine
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    I mean the person you're quoting just doubles down in the post. "I don't feel the urge to scream "Degenerates" in their faces either.". Saying I should read the post (I had) to find out their REAL argument only works when the rest of their content actually disputes the reading. Some of us care about facts!
     
  17. But clearly, still using his mind reading powers, people who dislike Goblin Slayer call the show's fans degenerates from their moral superior high horse.
     
  18. Spyder_Monkey

    Spyder_Monkey
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    Nobody hates a show to feel morally superior. That's not how feelings work.
     
  19. Zhukov

    Zhukov
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    *Watches first two episodes*

    ...

    That's what all the fuss is about?

    Mostly just strikes me as an edgelord-ish deconstruction:
    "What would actually happen if a bunch of newbie adventurers tried to take on monsters?"
    "They'd screw it up due to inexperience and get stabbed to death in the dark of course."
    "Oh, and all the women would get raped lololol"

    Deconstruction of RPG tropes isn't the worst premise I've ever heard of, although I suspect it's been done better elsewhere. Basically lost me when Mr Stoic McBadass turns up to show the noobs how to git gud. Definitely lost me with the most generic backstory of all time.

    Not exactly blowing my mind in terms of visual design or animation quality either.
     
  20. BuddyDharma

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    We've compared it to exploitation flicks about a dozen pages back. I can understand the exploitative elements in, say, I Spit on Your Grave, and at the same time criticize those elements. I'd advise you not to worry about moralizing or namecalling. It's the internet. Be like me and save your stubborn indignation for a less heated topic like politics!

    It's not the anger that makes someone act self-righteous, it's the insinuation that enjoying a particular tv show or comic is a reflection of one's character.

    With rape goblins.
     
  21. remz

    remz
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    It reminds me of like, Death Wish with Charles Bronson but swap the gang members for goblins and add in the typical isekai meta gaming in an rpg world angle.

    it's even alike in that bronson and goblin slayer are both old fuddy duddies who know how to do it better than the younguns, which are coded as adventurers in newer fantasy anime as opposed to GS himself's old school dnd vibe and it's about the perils of naivete against a evil threat the law is ignoring and taking things into your own hands
     
  22. I disagree with this because if you look at how they frame the rape scene, they prioritize showing off the fighter’s body instead of trying to instill a sense of horror.

    Rewatch the scene and note how the goblins don’t act naturally and stand off to the side while stripping her and pinning her down so that you can see her entire body. Look at how they pose her so that you get to see her boobs and her butt and her entire arched back as they slowly pan up to show her panties getting torn off.

    The compare it to how the male adventurer’s death is framed, how the goblins act like goblins and don’t pose him for the camera and think about why it is.

    I’d also just want to point out that one can objectively look at some elements and deduce that it is designed with the intent to titillate while not being turned on by it themselves. Beyond that, accusing people of being perverted for making that kind of criticism is juvenile and a weak counter argument. It’s the equivalent of someone pointing out something racially insensitive in a show and you saying that person must be racist for seeing that in it.
     
  23. Monster Zero

    Monster Zero
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    I guess I'm desensitized from all the horrible acts I've witnessed in Berserk.
     
  24. Twig

    Twig
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    Honestly, that's old hat. My favorite bit was him claiming that Goblin Slayer is satire.
     
  25. LowParry

    LowParry
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    So buddy of mine recommended in watching this because "It'd like D&D" or whatever. Then I saw this thread. So I checked it out. -sigh- Anime. Why do you do this shit?
     
  26. Well,
    there's a new type of Goblin never previously existed that, interestingly enough, actually worship a 'good' God; it's basically a Hero type Goblin. Goblins are also used by the Demon Lord to wreck havoc although, hilariously, the Demon Lord later actually forbid his army to employ Goblins because he doesn't want Goblin Slayer coming in and ruining his shit, as he tends to do as a collateral thing when he hunt Goblins, lol
     
  27. FF Seraphim

    FF Seraphim
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    Is that real? If so thats hilarious.
     
  28. His backstory, and how it ties to the overall grand scheme of the universe he inhabits, is definitely not 'the most generic', that is if you care to delve deeper in Goblin Slayer's lore.

    Though I don't fault you either if you are not interested to do so after viewing just 2 episodes, it is what it is I guess.
     
  29. sph3re

    sph3re
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    I watched the first episode yesterday and, sans the rape bit, I thought it was... okay. Kind of wish the Goblin Slayer was the main character, I hated all of those other kids.

    But it's... what, some goblin harem anime? Is that right? I'm not down with that, I want more brutal goblin killing.

    And less rape. Preferably none.
     
  30. Rackham

    Rackham
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    Watched the first 6 episodes today. It was pretty good. First two episodes were the darkest but it after that it seemed to be pretty good. The elf seems like a direct rip off of the elf from Dragon's Crown. The priestess is the worst character. Typical anime shit tier character.
     
  31. Monster Zero

    Monster Zero
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    That's a pretty nice twist. Thanks for the info keep it coming. My own theory with no proof is that the goblin race were created from humans or elves corrupted with magic by the demon lord or someone else evil.
     
  32. mutantmagnet

    mutantmagnet
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    For shit tier she keeps saving the entire party from wiping like a skilled healer would. :p
     
  33. Rackham

    Rackham
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    Not criticizing her ability, just her anime mannerisms
     
  34. Otakukidd

    Otakukidd
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    The rest of the series is kinda what you want. Also the gobin Slayer is the main character and it's not really a harem anime... Wait people are calling goblin Slayer a harem anime?
     
  35. Otakukidd

    Otakukidd
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  36. Pilgrimzero

    Pilgrimzero
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    Read the first chapter of the manga. Saw the female Mage and monk get raped and murdered.

    Yeah not for me.
     
  37. FF Seraphim

    FF Seraphim
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    Yeah due to the fact he has about 5 ladies who want to be by his side.
     
  38. Qvoth

    Qvoth
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    it's a japanese light novel series, it's a given there are some harem elements
     
  39. I think I rather stick with my Warhammer orcs and goblins. Growing out of fungus.
     
  40. DerpHause

    DerpHause
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    Like, romantically? Where I last watched the party was pretty balanced and only 1 person showed what could be considered romantic attraction.
     
  41. FF Seraphim

    FF Seraphim
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    Oh man… not sure what I can say in this thread but at least 3 characters want him in that kind of sense. Another 1 maybe and the last one not too sure.
     
  42. Monster Zero

    Monster Zero
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    Goblin Slayer ignores girls feelings more than Kamijou Touma.
     
  43. DerpHause

    DerpHause
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    Huh, I need to catch up. Things moved from where I left off.
     
  44. FluxWaveZ

    FluxWaveZ
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    With the harem aspect, it's not that bad, and a lot of it is because Orcbolg doesn't give a shit. He's not playing the bashful/obtuse harem main character, or someone who doesn't know which girl to pick. He's thinking about killing goblins.

    So it's only short scenes, Goblin Slayer is unresponsive, and then it moves on.
     
  45. FF Seraphim

    FF Seraphim
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    This is from reading the LN and Manga, the anime may show stuff in maybe 3 to 4 more episodes depending on how they are doing it.
     
  46. Twig

    Twig
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    You've never seen a harem anime, have you?
     
  47. DerpHause

    DerpHause
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    I've seen several, what one's have you seen where no female members have an interest in the mc (at the point I left of none of the actual party did)?
     
  48. Saying Goblin Slayer a harem Anime is a mischaracterization of what it is, especially if you frame it in the way that the main character is the kind that the 'losers' who read/watch it can project themselves into.
     
  49. Sword Maiden is a definite yes, Cow Girl is almost a definite, Priestess is a maybe (and surprisingly the one that GS has the strongest reaction towards if you read the LN), and the elf girl is definitely not.
     
  50. FF Seraphim

    FF Seraphim
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    Wait are you saying HEA has no interest in GS? I need to catch up on the LNs if true.
    Pretty sure Priestess is a yes if spoilers are true.
    Also you forgot Guild Girl.