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Apple fires back in court, says Epic Games CEO asked for special treatment [Tim Sweeney Denies]
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Apple will use these emails to proof that this whole lawsuit only exists because epic got denied a special deal and ask it to be thrown out.
Yeah, Tim Sweeney had no standing to present himself as a man of the people--and Epic can't cast themselves as benevolent freedom fighters punching up at The Man. No amount of hashtags or hamfisted corporate propaganda will change that.
Having said that, though, Apple is full of shit for pretending to treat all companies equally too. There really aren't any heroes in this story.
Maybe re-read that. The terms that Prime ended up getting were actually rolled out to the entire App Store and any service can use them. If Netflix wanted to copycat Prime, they could without issue. They did not give Prime anything that they weren't willing to give the entire App Store.
He's a fool. Good programmer that seems to have tricked himself into believing he's some sort of nefarious mastermind.
I'm genuinely surprised it's taken this long for someone to call out Tim Sweeny for blatantly bullshitting, but the revelation that, yes, Tim did indeed ask Apple for special treatment is not surprising at all.
That 70% will probably look better and better the longer Fortnite is off of iOS and Android (it's still pulled from Android right? Or can you still sideload it like they used to do?).
I'd be curious to know just what percentage of their Fortnite purchases come from iOS. Must have been high enough for Epic to start this whole case in the first place in the hopes of getting that 30% extra (or special case reduced amount, if that's what they're really after).
I'd be curious to know just what percentage of their Fortnite purchases come from iOS. Must have been high enough for Epic to start this whole case in the first place in the hopes of getting that 30% extra (or special case reduced amount, if that's what they're really after).
These deals weren't hidden. Apple already commented on them in April and they were offered to multiple video services https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/2...e-video-ios-app-store-cut-exempt-program-deal
Sweeney email
An email so correct it shows Apple is the one that actually controls Android customers choice of app store and payment processing system.
There were 2 emails before they were kicked out. One asking for a special deal and another telling Apple they willingly broke the agreement.
Edit: Second email when they broke the agreement:
You make an excellent point about other companies not being involved. It will be interesting to see whether the judge looks at this from the point of view of "yes, Apple is in fact a monopoly as Epic claims" or "Epic is just doing this because they were spurned and this is frivolous".
From a content standpoint, Epic's lawsuit remains valid, I think. But, as you are suggesting, at this point Epic and Apple are fighting a PR war that may bleed over in the courtroom.
I ... Actually have come to appreciate Todd. All things considered. I do end up spending thousand of hours on his games.
LOL, he asked both for a way to bypass Apple's fees for Fortnite microtransactions and for Apple to host and provide support for an EGS client, of which Epic would keep all the profits. No wonder they told him to kick rocks.
That's insulting to Randy Pitchford, a man who deserves every ounce of scorn he receives. Tim Sweeney is far beneath him.
I'm sure there's a strategy to Sweeney's BS that doesn't make Epic look like dumb fuck amateur hour company whose collective culture never evolved beyond herp derp edgelord 90's land and just happened to have gotten lucky with Fortnite. Would love to see it some day.
Lmao at least now that they told his ass no he really cares about the smaller devs
Not only did they try to get a deal just for them but on top of that after they were told no they now are risking others development teams livelihoods to get a deal lmao and people are still defending Epic.
Not only did they try to get a deal just for them but on top of that after they were told no they now are risking others development teams livelihoods to get a deal lmao and people are still defending Epic.
Fuck me ive had the two of them mixed up this whole time. I saw Tim's picture and was wondering why he didn't look like Randy.
I guess they're both just interchangeable clowns.
Apple lawyers conveniently leaving out critical parts of the the communication. Gee whiz what a shocker.
It contradicts Tim Sweeney's claimed intent, because his email specifically says Apple could send Epic permissions or a unique agreement if they aren't gonna change the rules. Tim Sweeney suggested they were doing this all along for all devs but actually sent a legally drafted notice interested in a side deal.
LOL there is a typo in the last line. He mentions Android instead of iOS. They probably sent the same letter to Google and used find/replace to change out terms. Hahahaha.
Yes. But does that necessarily invalidate the validity of the lawsuit? In a general sense, I think I am asking if the motives of the plaintiff are grounds to disregard the content of the suit. I don't know the answer to that. Perhaps it will depend on how the judge will approach the case.
What critical parts? You can see all the answer in:
https://www.scribd.com/document/473208798/Epic-v-Apple-TRO-opposition
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An email so correct it shows Apple is the one that actually controls Android customers choice of app store and payment processing system.
There were 2 emails before they were kicked out. One asking for a special deal and another telling Apple they willingly broke the agreement.
Edit: Second email when they broke the agreement:
Wait, but the email specifies opening it to all developers right after asking that Epic be allowed to do it? I don't know if this is as hypocritical as I thought it'd be.
There are two discussions here, and I think some people are mixing them up.
The legal one, which has merit.
And the PR one, which direct access to the email cast more doubt on.
Ah ok see this is why I hesitated to pass judgment so quickly. This isn't as pathetic as the thread title suggests. Apple's legal team working in tandem with the PR department i see
Can't deny that Tim's a nice guy when he puts it all in writing for Apple's lawyers.
What critical parts? You can see all the answer in:
https://www.scribd.com/document/473208798/Epic-v-Apple-TRO-opposition
Or:;
Wait, why are people surprised? I thought this was logic since they were complaining that Netflix etc already had special deals... They wanted the same, didnt get it and then did this whole thing. Not sure what's so surprising
of course not. they would have kept quote and suddenly not care that random indie devs are getting only 70% of the profits. when they were denied, they decide to start this whole #freefortnite circus
This. None of these emails constitute a "special deal" for Epic. They are all framed in the same way as the suit and public positioning against Apple's restrictions on app installation and payment processing on iOS.
It specifies opening Epic own store to other devs. Not opening the loophole to other devs. Epic asked for an exeption to be made for them.
For real. Between the time of submitting an app/update for review and getting the approval notification, I live in pure anxiety lol
An email so correct it shows Apple is the one that actually controls Android customers choice of app store and payment processing system.
There were 2 emails before they were kicked out. One asking for a special deal and another telling Apple they willingly broke the agreement.
Edit: Second email when they broke the agreement:
has no effect on the law suit