Nah, he is saying Android is fake open because Android by default makes it hard to sideload apps (due in part to safety reasons) and that the only way to sell in Android is using the Play Store.
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Tim Sweeney (Epic Games): Companies should divorce from politics, Android is a fake open system, iOS is worse, "respect Gamer rights and freedoms"
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What? How did you even get to that conclusion. Everything he said, was in the context of gaming. You can read his talk, its all up there. He's left no ambiguity.
That's the whole problem with Tim from the beging, he is a lying hypocrite.
A united ecosystem for Fortnite is great, because it benefits his income. But a closed of store that leaves people no choice but to buy from him is also great because it benefits his income.
An open android is great, because he would not have to share Fortnite mtx money. So he criticises android for warning people that sideloading might be dangerous.
He criticises UWP and Windows Store in the past, because it monopolized software distribution. In truth he was only afraid he wouldn't be able to try himself.
He puts on an act about how a better cut will help developers, which would be true but most of his deals are being made with publishers and don't improve crunch or work conditions. It benefits the publishers winning, all while Tim's own stuff is suffering from work overload.
This lost can go on for way longer tbh. Point is: Tim is a spinning asshole.
I remember when Fornite released first on Android, the amount of fake apps that popped up.
Android has that thing for a reason, and it (mostly) isn't Google's greed.
Yeah, as I said in other post before, I have been sideloading different apps since 2.3.x and there were already warnings when you activated the sideload option there. I havent really noticed an increase on it. It is also funny he talks about not trusting Google security when Fortnite itself in Android had some key security vulnerabilities that Google discovered and reported to them.
I think he is primarily speaking to investors and not gamers. Sure the public listening may be this and that, but the message is to others as usual for this kind of things. Kind of like when Reggie talked to a public of gamers/journalists (regarding the strategies Nintendo had for Wii) but the real audience was the investors.
Yup, basically.
He acts like a child who would cry to his parents and spread rumors about his enemies if he didn't get what he wanted.
And? DICE is mostly videogame professionals in the business, not investors. It doesn't change the context or meaning of his words. Stop spinning.
why would he need to speak to investors like this? He own half the company and the other major owner is one company.
Is this troll reply? Becuase accepting far right pov is polarizung the space. Also let's kid that they are somewhat not represented (see Tom Clancy's games).
Yeah, Valve puts their employees into dangers by giving them too much free time and vacations on to of that.
Meanwhile Epic provides safe surroundings for 24/7 without need to leave.
#SafeytyFirst
it doesn't even make sense. Why would a company CEO tell investors what political statements that companies should or Shouldn't be making.
the entire logic is backwards if you focus on investors.
Is this like the same gut feeling conservatives get when facts get in the way?
I am just taking it from the article:
Which, together with him complaining about having to pay Google the 30% for the transactions for being in the Play Store points towards his views being monetary.
He has a point on Play Store being nearly full monopoly (it is still a monopoly) that is hard to fight against in Android but his point of attack of sideloading being warned against is idiotic because the warning is necessary.
In the end Sweeney wants to have it all. The ability to declare that he is a 'good' rich person by supporting developers if they make content supporting under-prvieleged groups but also be able to distance himself if there is backlash for whatever reason.
'It's not Epic Games that supports X it's the developers, the company is 'neutral''
Give me a fuck break
And the unsaid logic is that he wouldn't hesitate to dump the backslash to any 'political statement' onto a dev group. After all Epic has to be neutral.
'It's not Epic Games that supports X it's the developers, the company is 'neutral''
Give me a fuck break
And the unsaid logic is that he wouldn't hesitate to dump the backslash to any 'political statement' onto a dev group. After all Epic has to be neutral.
Pretty much what I get from this guy lmao. The amount of times I ran into people like that by pursuing computer programming really made me cynical towards the tech industry and its growing influence on society.
But a lot of people have already done a good job dunking on his political comments, so I just want to say that even if I agree with some of his criticisms of Android and iOS not being open enough, I really don't want to hear this dude talking about what is and isn't a "real" open platform.
This is the guy who said installing GNU/Linux in response to MS' fuckery was like moving to Canada to escape US political trends, and that we should "fight for our freedoms where we have them". Windows is closed source and the sole property of a giant international corporation that got investigated by the Justice department for anticompetitive practices and an effective monopoly on personal computing. His view of software freedoms is straight trash as fair as I'm concerned.
Who talk to investors about "GAMERS RIGHTS AND FREEDOM" ?
The man's just a colossal moron.
I should get around to deleting mine. I redeemed the first few freebies but it felt icky so I stopped. Also owned the vast majority of the stuff being given away but lets not let that take away from my narrative of being principled.
So can we fully admit now that conservatism is synonymous with fascistic racial supremacy?
hard? opening an apk lets you install then play protect says yo do you wanna install this. and that's it.
He is the controlling shareholder, he can say and do whatever he likes. He also supported the Heartstone player who got banned from Blizzard.
Yeah, I support gamers' rights... gamers' rights to shut up!
But gosh this really is just a barrage of bad takes. Reading that title is just a 1-2-3 combo.
But gosh this really is just a barrage of bad takes. Reading that title is just a 1-2-3 combo.
I mean, it is harder than downloading the game from the app store which in a market where an increase in customer friction can cause them to not use it is important. I myself dont think it is hard, butn his words were:
So he doesnt like the "scary pop-up" (which are true and a safety concern). Which have been a thing in Android for like forever.
In my opinion sideloading in Android is fine, the main issue in android is that rival stores to Android have the "why should I download this apk for the store when i can just download the apk for the game I want?", and that the Play Store has too strong of a stronghold that can only be combated if the OEMs partnered and created a new store, which is a pipedream of collaboration.
I think the freebies are really cynical, but effective. And the more people who join the service, the more it emboldens Sweeney. Even if you only take the freebie and nothing else, Sweeney sees the rising number of registered accounts as a sign that Epic is doing the right things. He'll only add functions to the site if people make noise about them, or leave in droves.
Nothing against anyone who is signed up to Epic, we're all consumers at the end of the day navigating a minefield of morally questionable companies, but any who are disgruntled with Sweeney should leave to send a message. Just my take anyway!
We even know than in cases like Metro Exodus and Shenmue 3 the EGS exclusivity deal was made without the developer having any involvement. He went above the developer straight to the publisher, the developer had absolutely no say about it.
Might be true of other games, but we don't know.
If he actually cared about developers, he would not make these deals against the wishes of developers.
hoo boi how fucking dare you allude to the boycott of Chik-fil-a as "really dumb" when they continue to use their funding towards extremely damaging if not fatal conversion therapy. Fuck you Tim, fuck you. Way to take a massive shit on the LGBT+ community.
His point is that despite Android itself being an open platform, creating your own open solution were you get 100% of the money is hard due to increased friction caused by safety protections. Play Store monopoly is a real thing that should be fought (even if I think the excuses and the reasonings Tim gives for it are stupid) and Google already got into trouble not that long ago for imposing the Play Store and prohibiting other default stores in the phones at install (and had to change that rule).
We need to protect Android openness because we sure as hell wont get Apple/iOS to be even somewhat open.
Also Fortnite technically is in the Samsung Store (if I remember correctly) lol.
Get in line, I'm still waiting on Dragon Quest discussion to be banned. Neither will happen, of course.
Banning DQ discussion because the composer is a racist clown?
Politician Made Anti-LGBTQ Comments On Dragon Quest Composer's TV Show
Japanese politician Mio Sugita has made international news due to her anti-LGBTQ comments on a television show. The program is co-hosted by Koichi Sugiyama, who composes music for the Dragon Quest games.
kotaku.com
He's little more than racist clown. He's funding organizations of war crime denials.
You know the answer to that. they will tell us that we should "respect the product" and completely disregard the man behind it that is getting billions from it.
Oh right, that too. Horrible person.
But no reason to ban the entire DQ discussion. That's going overboard.
At the time Tim said he supported Fortnite players who wanted to comment about politics and human rights.
Now he's saying there's no reason to bring divisive topics like politics into the game industry, and that they should be neutral venues for entertainment.