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Tim Sweeney on UE5: "The Nanite and Lumen tech powering it will be fully supported on both PS5 and Xbox Series X and will be awesome on both."
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Yea it's weird.
1: XSX SSD is plenty fast for what you saw on the demo.
2: There's no way that 6 months before launch the PS5's SSD speed is close to being maxed out to the point where that demo couldn't run on XSX.
3: Marketing deal. And this is purely speculation but I smell something brewing between Epic and Sony. Sweenie debuts UE5 on PS5. Sony puts some of it's games on the Epic store. We all know that's an inevitability.
I don't understand it either but it does makes sense considering a mobile 2080 is in the range of a desktop 2070, which is similar in terms of GPU performance to a PS5. And as speculated, a normal NVMe SSD will be fine considering PC still has DRAM to make up for the lack of SSD bandwidth.
That's true. The talk would have been better received after a proper reveal.
Well that does make a lot of sense to me.
Very interesting:
r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
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that's where I'm sitting right now. The next gen console wars this time around are unbearably weird and petty
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r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
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The information is great and really provides further evidence that something was off. I wish developers would show these demos on many devices and make them publicly available like Crytek did with their RT demo on PC.
Wether the dodging was, because of a marketing deal or not is up in the air. But as someone buying multiple consoles and a PC it's interesting to see how these devices can run a demo and I am frustrated when demos of all things are used for marketing or many details kept secret.
Just added as "UPDATE 2", and also updated the conclusions. :)
We are in for an incredible generation if third party engines can pull these incredible visuals across both consoles.
When the performance delta between the next-gen hardware is smaller than it's ever been and the hardware is virtually standardised parts in most respects, console war battlelines have to be drawn on the most esoteric lines. :)
In your quote it says UE5 demo, not UE5. And Epic speaks to all platform holders and GPU manufacturers. And has done for many years. And of course Microsoft too given UE has to run via DirectX on both PC and Xbox, and will need to leverage DX12U features for UE5. It does sound like an agreed soundbite as part of a marketing deal. It was clear as day that the showcase only mentioning PS5 was a marketing deal.
UE5 has been developed with every platform in mind. The reason why engines like UE4 and Unity are so popular is because of their scalability to multiple platforms.
Umm... No. Sorry, we ALWAYS knew even before release the garbage Jag cores were obselete and would be the source of major bottlenecks. I remember that being discussed on the old place and alot on Semi Accurate where it was put that devs will have a problem unless they leverage GPGPU because this was a generation of GPUs on a stick. What we didn't know was the HDD was the biggest bottleneck after that.
This time.. yeah, this time I think we hit jackpot with SSDs, but especially the PS5 SSD.
But yes, we always knew Jag cores will be a problem, but that garbage was all Sony and MS had within budget.
Yep that's incredible. 60FPS with that fidelity is insanity.
The jaguar were shit and we knew this, but my point was that developers talked about removing bottlenecks with PS4 and Xbox One, too. I think the XsX and PS5 are the most balanced consoles yet, but I am sure developers will still hit bottlenecks which will be erased with PS6 and Xbox Next.
What about the small RAM increase for example? What about the RAM bandwidth or RT capabilities? What about machine learning?
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Thank you.Very interesting:
r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
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Finally something tangible so that this can be put to rest. I was scared we'd see this baseless speculation continue endlessly.
Yeah.
yeah, if it's possible to have Games with similar quality on the new consoles at 60fps I'm really impressed.
that will take some time though.
I hope that well get some stunning games like Killzone or infamous at launch or soon after like last time
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r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
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Not remotely surprised either. But what about the secret sauce!?
I guess the jaguar cpu where chosen (beside budget reasons ofcourse), because there were no plants for a ps4 pro on xbox one x at the moment. I think in the end that the ps4 did a solid job as a 1080@30 machine.
Is that surprising though? The tech is still very early so there's a lot of time to finetune and optimize it.
Very interesting:
r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
140 votes and 542 comments so far on Reddit
I'm stunned at this news.
Not really
Seriously though, 1st Party is really where we'll see those SSD speeds put to use hopefully.
What secret sauce? There's nothing secret about the PS5's SSD.
Not remotely surprised either. But what about the secret sauce!?
Very interesting:
r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
140 votes and 542 comments so far on Reddit
This does not answer any questions regarding this specific fidelity of the demo, as they said UE5 sales well across different hardware.
Going by this thread alone, the last 40s of the demo. The flying & building destruction and how fluid it all was. People now saying because of Sonys SSD/IO that XSX might not/couldn't achieve the same results.
For me, as it's been said many times by others, I need to see the games in all their glory running on both systems with actual real gameplay as well before I comment on either system
He means the custom dedicated hardware/ software that makes the ssd much more efficient than a pc with similar theoretical speed
Very interesting:
r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
140 votes and 542 comments so far on Reddit
Interesting. On the PS5 demo since it using a dynamic resolution, was it capped at 30 fps?
Ignoring all the Series X talk, if only PS5 could run that demo Epic, Sony or both would have said as much.
The idea that Epic would make a demo that no current PC can run is one I can't really get my head around. That they'd use that demo to try and convince devs to leverage the technology is even harder for me to believe.
No one knows yet where the bottlenecks are going to be in these new systems. Sony have done a lot of impressive work to ensure storage is rarely, if ever, a bottleneck, but I'm not taking more away from it than that.
The PS5 isn't bottlenecked at 1440p and 30fps in this demo by its ssd speed. From what Epic have said, it's limited to that by its GPU.
PS5 will certainly have faster loading times. We may even see advantages in titles that rely on streaming in assets, but it's unrealistic to think the GPU and CPU can process that data quickly enough that you can be continuously loading at full bandwidth.
The idea that Epic would make a demo that no current PC can run is one I can't really get my head around. That they'd use that demo to try and convince devs to leverage the technology is even harder for me to believe.
No one knows yet where the bottlenecks are going to be in these new systems. Sony have done a lot of impressive work to ensure storage is rarely, if ever, a bottleneck, but I'm not taking more away from it than that.
The PS5 isn't bottlenecked at 1440p and 30fps in this demo by its ssd speed. From what Epic have said, it's limited to that by its GPU.
PS5 will certainly have faster loading times. We may even see advantages in titles that rely on streaming in assets, but it's unrealistic to think the GPU and CPU can process that data quickly enough that you can be continuously loading at full bandwidth.
It answers this, because there is only this demo and he said the SSD requirements are lower than people believe.
Notebook RTX 2080 performs like a Desktop 2070Super. It running atVery interesting:
r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
140 votes and 542 comments so far on Reddit
1440p at 40 fps is actually higher res than PS5 Demo if DRS targetting 30 would be used.
Well this is some interesting scaling and in fact lines up
Given that the source of the info is /r/XboxSeriesX, I'd like an independent translation and verification that the streamer in question is indeed high up in the Epic's engineering division. However, if we can establish that the info is accurate, and that the demo is runnable as-is using a Samsung 970 Evo, then it's 100% threadworthy, as it would mean that the Xbox Series X would absolutely run the demo as shown.Very interesting:
r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
140 votes and 542 comments so far on Reddit
So it'd make even less sense? You where clearly trying to downplaying it as nothing more than secret sauce, a "/s" would imply the opposite.
The idea of forcing PC players to NVMe SSD never really made sense to me. I believe this tech will scale across a wide different of hard drives. You see HDDs are still common and only SATA SSDs get traction right now, NVMe not so much.
From the PS5, to Xbox Series X, to PC PCIe Gen 4 to PCIe Gen 3 to SATA SSD, I believe it will look amazing and much better than anything we have current gen, regardless of what SSD you have. That is the purpose of a multiplatform engine feature, to scale.
However, this tech is just impossible to scale to regular HDDs, so PC players should definately upgrade.
From the PS5, to Xbox Series X, to PC PCIe Gen 4 to PCIe Gen 3 to SATA SSD, I believe it will look amazing and much better than anything we have current gen, regardless of what SSD you have. That is the purpose of a multiplatform engine feature, to scale.
However, this tech is just impossible to scale to regular HDDs, so PC players should definately upgrade.
Seriously some people still denying the implications of super fast I/O configuration advantages on PS5 are going to have rough generation ahead.
thats interesting I thought flying scene is more demanding for ssd but about this 40fps on notebook 2080, we don't know how many fps would be on ps5 devkit without 30fps capVery interesting:
r/XboxSeriesX - UE5 tech demo on a RTX 2080 & 970 EVO Plus notebook is 1440p40
140 votes and 542 comments so far on Reddit
But we've since learned this demo didn't actually saturate the PS5's SSD and that any decent SSD would work.
I think some people in this thread appear not to understand the concept of scaling (which is ironic because that's something many have been talking about a lot lately). Of course the demo is going to run on lesser devices. It has to. Unreal is a multiplatform engine that has to scale with hardware, otherwise how else is Epic supposed to promote it as a flexible and accessible game engine?
The question isn't whether lesser hardware CAN run it, but what sort of scaling takes place when it does, eg what impact a slower SSD has on asset streaming density, draw distance, visuals etc if any, and what sort of performance difference lower hardware gets too. The cutbacks to get it running on lesser hardware could be dramatic, and likewise they may not be. That's what remains to be seen.
The question isn't whether lesser hardware CAN run it, but what sort of scaling takes place when it does, eg what impact a slower SSD has on asset streaming density, draw distance, visuals etc if any, and what sort of performance difference lower hardware gets too. The cutbacks to get it running on lesser hardware could be dramatic, and likewise they may not be. That's what remains to be seen.
Both are probably far past the point where the difference is going to be noticeable.
To make a garbage analogy (it's not an Era thread without one), it doesn't matter what the top speed of your car is if you're always stuck in traffic. PS5 games aren't going to be reading/writing at 5GB/s frequently. The rare times that it will be likely can be optimized around on the Xbox port (whether that means 1s loading screen turns into 2s, or a handful of assets get compressed).
You're taking way more from this than you need to be. It was a joke about how much people hype up the SSD as this almighty component that will be the savior of game design and make games unplayable on other platforms. It's a great SSD, but the amount of fear-mongering since its announcement has been utterly laughable.
But go ahead and keep making this about something it isn't. I won't be responding anymore.
