Is eating out a basic human right? Should Bernie add it to his platform?
Get real. Eating out is a luxury. Factor tipping into your budget if you're going to do it, or don't eat out.
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TIP WARS: WaPo food critic says you have to tip 20 percent, no matter what
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Is eating out a basic human right? Should Bernie add it to his platform?
Get real. Eating out is a luxury. Factor tipping into your budget if you're going to do it, or don't eat out.
rewarding bad service with good tips goes against the whole point of tips in the first place.
if they can't give good service, then why are you working in a job reliant on tips?
I think the whole tip system is terrible, it's a problem that needs to be fixed.
but giving these employees a guaranteed 20% tip is NOT the solution.
Unfortunately some people end up in situations where they all but have to work a tipping-paid job due to lack of skills, experience or even just environment. This argument about "get a better job" is one I will absolutely never agree with, even though the logical conclusion, bereft of context, is correct.
Tip system is absolutely terrible, however. It's gotten worse, lately, with even people who don't traditionally get tipped have tipping on their POS machines or have karma jars or other such horse manure. Those are the ones I hate most, but I have a real problem with expecting a tip for a job that required minimal effort but is somehow affected by how much I should tip solely by the cost of what I bought.
I'm not sure this is exactly what you're saying, but what I'm hearing is that absolutely servers should be tipped 20% even if they can't give good service because they may be stuck in that job and need to pay the bills, but if someone else also making minimum wage wants a tip, it's offensive? Because of the perceived level of effort?
Because they get taxed at a higher rate then that. If you dont tip 15% they still get taxed as if they were tipped exactly that
No, I'm saying a baseline tip level is ridiculous to begin with, but saying "get a better job" as a counter argument to it is also a bad argument. If you give good service you, well, did your job. I just personally find all of these tip jars in places that didn't used to have them, even places like goddamned Chipotle, is asinine and turns me off.
I'm saying is that a waiter has absolutely no right to complain about a bad tip when they give you bad service.
it's literally part of their job description. It's like a restaurant complaining about bad reviews when they make shit food.
So what i am saying is "give better service, or get a better job"
you can't give bad service and expect good tips.
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No, they don't dude.
That's not how taxes work in the United States.
No, they don't dude.
That's not how taxes work in the United States.
Funniest part is seeing the tip culture spread to other jobs, instead of people fighting back. I think there were even some threads about that here, probably months ago.
I tip based on the experience. I tip more--and in cash--if I enjoyed the whole package. I tip less, and written on the receipt--if the experience was bad. Then everything else falls between those options. I've tipped well past 50% on phenomenal experiences in cash.
I'm more sympathetic to restaurant employees though since I used to be a busboy for a seafood restaurant that had a max capacity of 400 people.
I'm more sympathetic to restaurant employees though since I used to be a busboy for a seafood restaurant that had a max capacity of 400 people.
well the servers at high end restaurants actually do a bit more. But even by fixed percentage they make a lot more simply because of the cost of food alone
Get out of here with this shit.
When you receive the check, you are responsible to pay for the food you ordered.
Tipping is a bonus that is earned with good service. Don't guilt people because of this fucked up cultural tipping bullshit that exists in America. The customer is paying the restaurant. It's the restaurants responsibility to pay an employee's wage, not the customer's.
Raise dine in restaurant pries across the board. I wouldn't blink an eye if all restaurant prices went up 20% to cover this nonsense.
No, tipping is not 'additional' in America. You're literally not paying your waiter by not providing a tip.
You know what you're getting into by eating out in America. This isn't optional.
Actually? Yes, it is. The only time it's not is when it's clearly printed in a menu that parties of a certain size have automatic gratuity, which I'm better with if only because dealing with large groups is worth it imo.
The hostility is insane over this.
I think that someone should be able to eat out if they want to. If tipping isn't in their budget sure maybe it isn't as good of an idea, but they can still do it. Not much you can do to change that.
Please don't spout nonsense, because a social contract is philosophical malarkey usually spouted as a defense of the status quo.
Please stop playing semantic games when you understand the issue at hand.
What is the issue? That the laws allow restaurant owners to pay their workers really, really low pay? That they prop up a system where it benefits white, good looking, and individuals in populated metros? Yeah, that seems like the problem. Do you think that old woman waiting at 10 tables in a Denny's in the middle of nowhere Kentucky is making the same as someone in New York City?
You know what the issue is but you prop up a system to help only those fortunate of receiving those good tips. Like, you're not wrong, but you're not exactly helping. Do you contact your state's politicians to forward a system that benefits everyone?
I'll stop when you acknowledge that some people have valid criticism of a shitty system and stop calling people shitty just because they disagree with you.
I honestly hate tip culture. Servers should be paid a normal amount and tipping be OPTIONAL. The fact its okay to pay them less than the minimum is beyond fucked and the fact you push the cost onto the customer is insane. A tip should be a BONUS to a good job. Not a mandatory "social" extra that you feel obligated to do because that person isn't even being paid decently. Its fucking stupid.
You can criticize the system all you want, but you're really not a good person if you don't tip your waiters so long as the system exists.
I've read a lot of horror stories about servers being stiffed or given little in tips. Also, the idea of making less money an hour and having to require on the chance that they get good customers doesn't feel right. Maybe it comes down to personal preference I would rather get a straight wage as opposed to a smaller wage and a chance to make more.
It's weird but a lot of folks will want to keep the tip system because they make really good tips even though they know it affects others badly.
Right, but the author is saying that standard is automatic, regardless of the level of service, which is bullshit.
Yes, the author is wrong as well. But so are the weirdos saying it's 20% normally... that is the higher end and is done for extra good service.
I never said I don't tip, I said it's shitty that people think it's mandatory. You also still need to stop with the not a good person bullshit.