The rest go into basically a legal argument about why Japan's argument is just a bunch of BS, but I thought this was interesting since the second paragraph just reads like Japan's Government completely lost their shit.
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Tokyo Keeps Defending World War II Atrocities (Foreign Policy)
- Thread starter Piecake
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The rest go into basically a legal argument about why Japan's argument is just a bunch of BS, but I thought this was interesting since the second paragraph just reads like Japan's Government completely lost their shit.
Which countries have taken responsibility for their foreign war crimes/crimes against humanity? Just Germany for its Nazi-era atrocities?
There are way too many [prominent] people in Japan still defending that shit.
There are way too many [prominent] people in Japan still defending that shit.
he isn't wrong though. That said of course it's wrong to brush these issues under the mat like japan is doing.
What's wrong with neogaf? Isn't that what this forum is based on?
Has it changed since the Great Migration happened? I haven't paid attention to it.
Lol era is basically purple gaf. People just hide it better
Anyways, yeah Japan is never going to admit to anything or apologize as long as dudes like Abe are in charge
yeah i don't think flat out trumpist/alt right talking points will hold much water here unlike the old place, but let's not derail with that.
plenty of countries have admitted to war crimes and have held the ones responsible to account. let's not fall into this whataboutist nonsense.
well, it's about what you'd expect a forum to look like after the left-leaning users leave en masse and the owner unbans a ton of people who were originally booted for being bigots and shitheads.
From what I understand there is a lot of shit going down between
South Korea - Philippines - Japan
Mostly economic, but it seems like a complicated issue.
South Korea - Philippines - Japan
Mostly economic, but it seems like a complicated issue.
You're so right! Now, is it the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima or the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki that you classify as a slap on the wrist?
This is such an uneducated post. You don't think this goes back a fair bit further than your alt-right allusions?
Some of the old generation is in denial about the war crimes and think other countries are making it up to persecute them, and the younger generations don't learn much about them and some think it doesn't affect them because it was in the past and there's nothing they can do about it.
That being said there are more people here against the denial/imperial Japan than these articles would suggest, but most of them are younger and not involved in politics at all. Much like America there are some who protest by refusing to sing the national anthem. Of course, none of these people will be in charge of the country any time soon.
That being said there are more people here against the denial/imperial Japan than these articles would suggest, but most of them are younger and not involved in politics at all. Much like America there are some who protest by refusing to sing the national anthem. Of course, none of these people will be in charge of the country any time soon.
That wasn´t even a slap on the wrist for those responsible because it didn´t really affect them anyway. It was a straight up attack on civilians and a war crime.
As an outsider, my hot take is it looks like this place is mainly democrats and the other place is manily republicans
They could have attacked a military target instead of murdering women, children and old people.
And much like Japan's war crimes most Americans will argue it wasn't. I'm certainly not excusing Japan when I say that of course, just saying that unfortunately they're not alone.
I'm talking about the aftermath not the war I'm not saying we should have bombed them more jesus fucking christ.
Genuinely no idea what you're talking about.
Yeah tbh I can't seen any difference between the two anymore. It's changed back to neogaf past year or so.
May I recommend updating your glasses prescription
Did it? Or does it have like 100 people online at any given time and threads about how girls poop with g-strings on and apologizing for white power.
but I'll let you finish.
Japan has a long history of invading the Korean peninsula, long before fascism existed.
japan's "perspective" and lack of honesty regarding what they participated in during WW2 is fucking gross.
Yes that was a horrid decision but using whataboutism and deflecting back to Hiroshima and Nagasaki is not helping the discussion.
The reality is that Japan and I mean the older population and the surging nationalism among them have allowed these lies about history to resurface.
The racism that Koreans are subjected to in Japan is quite disturbing and to this day any mention of those war crimes angers the nationalists and Abe's thugs and they go apeshit putting sanctions on Korea and they even tried to pay them which the South Koreans saw as a insulting bribe given that it came with certain conditions.
That wasn´t meant as whataboutism but more as "the people responsible went pretty much unpunished". Japan never had it´s own "denazification" and that is showing today.
It's really sad how Japan and South Korea treat each other. The animosity between the countries is truly sick and in this case I mean both sides. Korea does have higher ground, but at the same time how it's handled at large is down right sick. Are there any other nations that still hash it out like China/Japan/Korea when it comes to WWII?
I mean Poland, Estonia and other nations are somewhat cool with Russia, even if Russia keeps fabricating all kinds of lies about Soviet and their crimes, even this day.
I think he meant pre-ERA GAF, not what it became, in which case he's right. I mean... this community is literally 99% of same people as back then, so...
They wanted the war to end. Whilst I agree with you upto a point - what they did certainly ended the war quicker than otherwise.
I'd feel differently if the US had started the conflict - but Japan did.
Uhh no Estonia, Poland and former soviet Republics are terrified of Putin that's why they want to be a part of Nato.
Latvians also cannot stand the Russians trust me the animosity is still there.
Hell the far right in poland refuses to work the the italian far right leader because he kisses Putins ass.
Eh. both Poland and Estonia (and rest of baltics) are extremely anti russian. I'ts actually pretty similar situation with a lot of eastern European countries and Russia as it's with Japan and rest of Asia. Japan/Russia downplaying past events and Eastern Europe/Asia calling them out (sometimes legitimately and some times for domestic purposes)
The ship has sailed to bring japan to heel for its crimes and atrocities. The PRC is the only entity with the will and the power to enforce a much deserved and delayed reckoning of the society and culture that created the holocaust in the east, but then... it's the pot calling the kettle black, at the end of the day.
I don't mean calling out the goverment, that's fine and should be done. And saber rattling between goverments I understand. But there is kind of day to day racisim between Koreans/Japanes people that you hear about. Or maybe it's just the comment sections of certain news sites that make it seem bigger issue then it is.
I mean, russians living in Estonia probably don't have it easy either. Especially after Ukraine.
I'm not talking about how far back this goes, I'm talking about the cultural acknowledgement of history.
I was about to write " Far too few people are aware of the inhumane atrocities that era of Japan committed , because any thread regarding the subject is insntantly/ often derailed the second someone mentions the A-Bomb" and here we are
Yep... Google unit 731 if you ever think about defending Japan in ww2, and that's just for starters.
I find myself going there sometimes and the politics section is something. It always looks like there is the same 1 or 2 (left leaning?) users who seem to be fighting for their life against the entire rest of the forum
i usually put forth this question in most threads when the question of the nuclear bombings of Japan come up. If Japan didn't surrender after one nuclear bomb being dropped on a civilian centre, how long would it have taken them with zero nuclear bombs being dropped on their civilian centres?
So... Are you saying we should have conquered and colonized japan to make sure they didnt get up to any funny business? Cause that sounds like what you're saying
Who knows, but its safe to bet there would be less civ casualties in the end without the bomb.
No it isn't. We know the japanese were training their civilian population to attack america if it attempted a land invasion.