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It's fun to think about what the Amazon show might do to try and make young Aragorn more interesting. I expect they'll maintain the angst about his lineage that Peter Jackson injected which in my opinion was a good decision.

I guess he doesn't have to be more nuanced. The TV version of Jon Snow has been stripped of just about everything that made him interesting and most fans still seem to like him.
 

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It's fun to think about what the Amazon show might do to try and make young Aragorn more interesting. I expect they'll maintain the angst about his lineage that Peter Jackson injected which in my opinion was a good decision.

I guess he doesn't have to be more nuanced. The TV version of Jon Snow has been stripped of just about everything that made him interesting and most fans still seem to like him.

I'm not really looking forward to LOTR's Jon Snow. They need a much better actor than Kit Harrington at least to carry Aragorn. Someone with actual presence and charisma.

Also I kinda hope they don't inject PJ's angsty Aragorn here because then that means Young Aragorn's angst won't resolve within the show.
 

Turin

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I'm not really looking forward to LOTR's Jon Snow. They need a much better actor than Kit Harrington at least to carry Aragorn. Someone with actual presence and charisma.

Most definitely.

Also I kinda hope they don't inject PJ's angsty Aragorn here because then that means Young Aragorn's angst won't resolve within the show.

It stands to reason that that would still be an issue for him if there's some continuity with the movies but what I was getting at is they need to find other ways to humanize him.
 

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Reading the Tom Bombadil part of LOTR and it makes me wonder, why didn't Pippin and Merry discuss their experience in the 'Old Forest' with Treebeard?

I don't think they mentioned Old Man Willow or Tom to him, despite that Treebeard would have likely known about both of them.
 

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I don't think Boromir and Pippin had redemption arcs.

There's nothing that Pippin needs to be redeemed for. He just grew up.

And Boromir didn't really have a arc either. He had more like a moment of weakness that he immediately tried to make up for (but then didn't really accomplish anything and died). Boromir was just more nuanced as a person than the rest. He had good parts and bad. He was flawed but ultimately a good person.
While I'd agree with you on Pippin, my logic was simply that he royally screws up so early and so bad (blowing Frodo's cover at the Prancing Pony; the bonfire on Weathertop; Moria), that I took his later feats to be redemption, but an increase of maturity is a more accurate way to describe it.

Boromir is redemption. It's not the one mistake, it's his entire behavior in regards to the Ring, the hobbits, and Aragorn. At the end he protects and respects the hobbits, choosing them over chasing the Ring, and as he lays dying he acknowledges Aragorn as the king.
 

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While I'd agree with you on Pippin, my logic was simply that he royally screws up so early and so bad (blowing Frodo's cover at the Prancing Pony; the bonfire on Weathertop; Moria), that I took his later feats to be redemption, but an increase of maturity is a more accurate way to describe it.

Boromir is redemption. It's not the one mistake, it's his entire behavior in regards to the Ring, the hobbits, and Aragorn. At the end he protects and respects the hobbits, choosing them over chasing the Ring, and as he lays dying he acknowledges Aragorn as the king.

It's more like a redemptive moment than an arc to me. An arc needs to be long enough for it to actually be an arc. That's my line of thinking.

I guess I see the starting point as Boromir trying to take the ring from Frodo rather than when he starts being tempted by it.
 

BKatastrophe

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It's more like a redemptive moment than an arc to me. An arc needs to be long enough for it to actually be an arc. That's my line of thinking.

I guess I see the starting point as Boromir trying to take the ring from Frodo rather than when he starts being tempted by it.
And this is another point that we're going to have to disagree on, because I feel his arc is long enough. Again, speaking from someone who has really only seen the films and not read the books (save for The Hobbit), I genuinely feel he has a strong arc overall. Especially in TTT, where we see him and Faramir prior to his leaving for Rivendell.
 

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And this is another point that we're going to have to disagree on, because I feel his arc is long enough. Again, speaking from someone who has really only seen the films and not read the books (save for The Hobbit), I genuinely feel he has a strong arc overall. Especially in TTT, where we see him and Faramir prior to his leaving for Rivendell.

In the books, we don't see that meeting, actually. And generally Boromir is much more distant from the other characters throughout- there's no arc with Aragorn like in the film (He more-or-less accepts Aragorn as Kingly material right away, but the complicated politics behind Aragorn's lineage and the inherent threat he presents to his father's position makes him somewhat uncomfortable), he's never close with the Hobbits, and generally he doesn't invoke the sympathy Sean Bean's performance invokes.

If you can't tell, this is one of the film changes I actually greatly approve of.
 

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Reading the Tom Bombadil part of LOTR and it makes me wonder, why didn't Pippin and Merry discuss their experience in the 'Old Forest' with Treebeard?

I don't think they mentioned Old Man Willow or Tom to him, despite that Treebeard would have likely known about both of them.
They mentioned Tom to Treebeard certainly, but Tolkien didn't expand upon that via further dialogue:

"Now tell me your tale, and do not hurry!' said Treebeard.

The hobbits began to tell him the story of their adventures ever since they left Hobbiton. They followed no very clear order, for they interrupted one another continually, and Treebeard often stopped the speaker, and went back to some earlier point, or jumped forward asking questions about later events. They said nothing whatever about the Ring, and did not tell him why they set out or where they were going to; and he did not ask for any reasons.

He was immensely interested in everything: in the Black Riders, in Elrond, and Rivendell, in the Old Forest, and Tom Bombadil, in the Mines of Moria, and in Lothlórien and Galadriel. He made them describe the Shire and its country over and over again. He said an odd thing at this point. 'You never see any, hm, any Ents round there, do you?' he asked. 'Well, not Ents, Entwives I should really say."


Tom and Treebeard as two of the oldest inhabitants (on the surface of Middle-earth at least) would have known of each other, but Treebeard may have known Tom by another name, a more ancient name; Iarwain Ben-adar, roughly meaning oldest and fatherless.
 

BKatastrophe

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In the books, we don't see that meeting, actually. And generally Boromir is much more distant from the other characters throughout- there's no arc with Aragorn like in the film (He more-or-less accepts Aragorn as Kingly material right away, but the complicated politics behind Aragorn's lineage and the inherent threat he presents to his father's position makes him somewhat uncomfortable), he's never close with the Hobbits, and generally he doesn't invoke the sympathy Sean Bean's performance invokes.

If you can't tell, this is one of the film changes I actually greatly approve of.
Interesting. That seems like quite a massive change.
 

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They mentioned Tom to Treebeard certainly, but Tolkien didn't expand upon that via further dialogue:

"Now tell me your tale, and do not hurry!' said Treebeard.

The hobbits began to tell him the story of their adventures ever since they left Hobbiton. They followed no very clear order, for they interrupted one another continually, and Treebeard often stopped the speaker, and went back to some earlier point, or jumped forward asking questions about later events. They said nothing whatever about the Ring, and did not tell him why they set out or where they were going to; and he did not ask for any reasons.

He was immensely interested in everything: in the Black Riders, in Elrond, and Rivendell, in the Old Forest, and Tom Bombadil, in the Mines of Moria, and in Lothlórien and Galadriel. He made them describe the Shire and its country over and over again. He said an odd thing at this point. 'You never see any, hm, any Ents round there, do you?' he asked. 'Well, not Ents, Entwives I should really say."


Tom and Treebeard as two of the oldest inhabitants (on the surface of Middle-earth at least) would have known of each other, but Treebeard may have known Tom by another name, a more ancient name; Iarwain Ben-adar, roughly meaning oldest and fatherless.

Thanks! It seems that I somehow managed to skip over / forget that small snippet.

Given their experience with old man willow you would have thought that they would be more afraid of the ents.
 

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Thanks! It seems that I somehow managed to skip over / forget that small snippet.

Given their experience with old man willow you would have thought that they would be more afraid of the ents.
There's a very interesting note in The History of Middle-earth, Volume 6: The Return of the Shadow that you might find interesting:

"The passage concerning Old Man Willow was first written thus: 'Amongst his talk there was here and there much said of Old Man Willow, and Merry learned enough to content him (more than enough, for it was not comfortable lore), though not enough for him to understand how that grey thirsty earth-bound spirit had become imprisoned in the greatest Willow of the Forest. The tree did not die, though its heart went rotten, while the malice of the Old Man drew power out of earth and water, and spread like a net, like fine root-threads in the ground, and invisible twig-fingers in the air, till it had infected or subjugated nearly all the trees on both sides of the valley.' "

Different of course from the published text, but one can see that Tolkien presumably intended on the hobbits knowing/intuiting that the Ents were not to be feared.
 

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A new artbook to be released in October:

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"Let acclaimed Tolkien artist John Howe take you on an unforgettable journey across Middle-earth, from Bag End to Mordor, in this richly illustrated sketchbook fully of previously unseen artwork, anecdotes and meditations on Middle-earth.

Middle-earth has been mapped, Bilbo's and Frodo's journeys plotted and measured, but it remains a wilderland for all that. The roads as yet untravelled far outnumber those down which J.R.R. Tolkien led us in his writings.

A Middle-earth Traveller presents a walking tour of Tolkien's Middle-earth, visiting not only places central to his stories, but also those just over the hill or beyond the horizon. Events from Tolkien's books are explored – battles of the different ages that are almost legend by the time of The Lord of the Rings; lost kingdoms and ancient myths, as well as those places only hinted at: kingdoms of the far North and lands beyond the seas.

Sketches that have an 'on-the-spot' feel to them are interwoven with the artist's observations gleaned from Tolkien's books as he paints pictures with his words as well as his pencil. He also recollects his time spent working alongside Peter Jackson on the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit film trilogies. Combining concept work produced for films, existing Middle-earth art and dozens of new paintings and sketches exclusive to this book, A Middle-earth Traveller will take the reader on a unique and unforgettable journey across Tolkien's magical landscape.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Middle-ear...347db24718014dd959125&creativeASIN=0008226776
 

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It's going to be a good year for Tolkien books that's for sure.

The following (due next month) looks like a nice package too:

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"This sumptuous gift set includes a replica of the very rare first edition of The Hobbit, the only edition where one can now read the original version of the story before Tolkien re-edited it to become the one enjoyed by readers since 1951.
The Hobbit was published on 21 September 1937, with a print run of 1,500 copies. With a beautiful cover design, nearly a dozen black & white illustrations and two black & red maps by the author himself, the book proved to be popular and was reprinted shortly afterwards. History was already being made.

The scarcity of the first edition has resulted in copies commanding huge prices, way beyond the reach of most Tolkien fans. In addition, subsequent changes to the text particularly those to chapter 5, when Tolkien decided in 1947 to revise the text to bring it better into accord with events as they were developing in its sequel', The Lord of the Rings mean that the opportunity to read the book in its original form and format has become quite difficult.

This special commemorative gift set includes the first edition, so that readers of all ages not just children between the ages of 5 and 9', as Rayner Unwin famously declared in his report on the original submission can finally enjoy Tolkien's story as it originally appeared. It also includes an exclusive CD of archive recordings that capture Tolkien reading from The Hobbit, a special copy of Thror's map which reveals the secret moon-runes when held to the light, and an accompanying booklet that relates the history of The Hobbit, and includes connected writings by JRR Tolkien."

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/00...X236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=9780008259549
 

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Winners of the Tolkien Society Awards 2018 announced

Best Artwork


Best Article


Best Book

  • There Would Always Be a Fairy Tale: Essays on Tolkien's Middle-earth by Verlyn Flieger
  • WINNER: Beren and Lúthien by J.R.R. Tolkien, ed. by Christopher Tolkien
  • The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide, 2nd edn, by Christina Scull and Wayne G. Hammond

Best Website


Outstanding Contribution Award

  • Alan Reynolds
  • WINNER: Priscilla Tolkien

https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2018/04/winners-of-the-tolkien-society-awards-2018-announced/
 
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Agreed! I don't stop in here every time I see it updated, but there's always fascinating things to read (and lots of expensive stuff to be tempted by).
 

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This thread is always good to catch up with. Thanks everyday for the info!
Agreed! I don't stop in here every time I see it updated, but there's always fascinating things to read (and lots of expensive stuff to be tempted by).
Yes indeed. This thread is a treasure trove of Tolkien goodness.

Another new book release to consider is the following:

Anything You Can Imagine: Peter Jackson & The Making of Middle-earth

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The definitive history of Peter Jackson's Middle-earth saga, Anything You Can Imagine takes us on a cinematic journey across all six films, featuring brand-new interviews with Peter, his cast & crew. From the early days of daring to dream it could be done, through the highs and lows of making the films, to fan adoration and, finally, Oscar glory.

Lights
A nine-year-old boy in New Zealand's Pukerua Bay stays up late and is spellbound by a sixty-year-old vision of a giant ape on an island full of dinosaurs. This is true magic. And the boy knows that he wants to be a magician.

Camera
Fast-forward twenty years and the boy has begun to cast a spell over the film-going audience, conjuring gore-splattered romps with bravura skill that will lead to Academy recognition with an Oscar nomination for Heavenly Creatures. The boy from Pukerua Bay with monsters reflected in his eyes has arrived, and Hollywood comes calling. What would he like to do next? 'How about a fantasy film, something like The Lord of the Rings…?'

Action
The greatest work of fantasy in modern literature, and the biggest, with rights ownership so complex it will baffle a wizard. Vast. Complex. Unfilmable. One does not simply walk into Mordor – unless you are Peter Jackson.

Anything You Can Imagine tells the full, dramatic story of how Jackson and his trusty fellowship of Kiwi filmmakers dared take on a quest every bit as daunting as Frodo's, and transformed JRR Tolkien's epic tale of adventure into cinematic magic, and then did it again with The Hobbit. Enriched with brand-new interviews with Jackson, his fellow filmmakers and many of the films' stars, Ian Nathan's mesmerising narrative whisks us to Middle-earth, to gaze over the shoulder of the director as he creates the impossible, the unforgettable, and proves that film-making really is 'anything you can imagine'.


 

Anoregon

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It's going to be a good year for Tolkien books that's for sure.

The following (due next month) looks like a nice package too:

9780008259549.jpg


"This sumptuous gift set includes a replica of the very rare first edition of The Hobbit, the only edition where one can now read the original version of the story before Tolkien re-edited it to become the one enjoyed by readers since 1951.
The Hobbit was published on 21 September 1937, with a print run of 1,500 copies. With a beautiful cover design, nearly a dozen black & white illustrations and two black & red maps by the author himself, the book proved to be popular and was reprinted shortly afterwards. History was already being made.

The scarcity of the first edition has resulted in copies commanding huge prices, way beyond the reach of most Tolkien fans. In addition, subsequent changes to the text particularly those to chapter 5, when Tolkien decided in 1947 to revise the text to bring it better into accord with events as they were developing in its sequel', The Lord of the Rings mean that the opportunity to read the book in its original form and format has become quite difficult.

This special commemorative gift set includes the first edition, so that readers of all ages not just children between the ages of 5 and 9', as Rayner Unwin famously declared in his report on the original submission can finally enjoy Tolkien's story as it originally appeared. It also includes an exclusive CD of archive recordings that capture Tolkien reading from The Hobbit, a special copy of Thror's map which reveals the secret moon-runes when held to the light, and an accompanying booklet that relates the history of The Hobbit, and includes connected writings by JRR Tolkien."

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/00...X236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=9780008259549

Is this the version with the different characterization of Gollum?
 

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You flatter me and I thank you, but I'm not good enough to do well on Mastermind.

Maybe not in the general knowledge, I couldn't comment on that.

However.... Your Tolkien knowledge would put the researchers to shame. Without doubt.

Would be better to watch then the specialist subject matter on Harry Potter (I like the books) which I believe the BBC mastermind team have banned. They get 200+ applications a year on the subject.
 

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There. I just finished Lord of the rings. And I enjoyed it immensely. There are some things that really stood out for me.

Throughout the books I noticed the emphasis on strength of character. Next to the events along the story it really takes centre stage and I found it really inspiring.

Also a lot of the characters (Aragorn and Gandalf come to mind) have a very healthy grasp of what they can and cannot control. Doing what is within their reach and then watching events unfold. Always seeing their own and others actions as part of a complex web. Somehow that feels so refreshing.

Also the chapter of the grey havens touched me greatly. I feel this is very close to the way survivors of any war can feel on returning home. A part of the story that is told with great sensitivity.

I loved every minute of reading.
 

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There. I just finished Lord of the rings. And I enjoyed it immensely. There are some things that really stood out for me.

Throughout the books I noticed the emphasis on strength of character. Next to the events along the story it really takes centre stage and I found it really inspiring.

Also a lot of the characters (Aragorn and Gandalf come to mind) have a very healthy grasp of what they can and cannot control. Doing what is within their reach and then watching events unfold. Always seeing their own and others actions as part of a complex web. Somehow that feels so refreshing.

Also the chapter of the grey havens touched me greatly. I feel this is very close to the way survivors of any war can feel on returning home. A part of the story that is told with great sensitivity.

I loved every minute of reading.

Well....

If you enjoyed reading then may I recommend this following download.

https://m.mediafire.com/folder/cjjdiknzeieol,6jmo2c5q9vbll,jdmyib22aeqpm/shared

It's an amazing unabridged audiobook of The Lord Of The Rings.

The narrator is Phil Dragash. He also spices things up by heavily "borrowing" sound effects and musical score from the movies. He also works towards sounding like the characters do from the movies.

It's awesome and I have listened to it half a dozen times or more.

Enjoy and share


Also if you enjoyed the grey heavens chapter then make sure to listen to the very end of each chapter of each book.

You will understand once you listen.

You feel like you have been on an epic journey and the ending at the end is sublime.
 

Eldy

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Someone posted this thought it was relevant.

Comparisons between Martin and Tolkien's view of bravery:

https://phuulishfellow.wordpress.co...f-courage-j-r-r-tolkien-vs-george-r-r-martin/

Lemme know if you guys agree with the Tolkien portions.

That's an interesting article, though I'm unfortunately too far behind on sleep to give it a full response. The author mentions Tolkien's interest in the idea of "Northern courage" of the hopeless, heroic, but doomed sort found in Germanic mythologies (including Anglo-Saxon works). It's reflective of a pagan mindset, which was something Tolkien was fascinated by, but his work also contains Christian themes, including hope that in the long cosmic term good will win and the world will be a better place for all that happened to it. This bled through in the Athrabeth (a philosophical dialogue published in Morgoth's Ring) in which Finrod hears from the wisewoman Andreth of a human belief that Eru would one day enter Arda to heal its Marring, although Tolkien was concerned that this would read like "a parody of Christianity" so it's hard to say how he might have changed the Athrabeth for publication had he lived longer. I suppose that sort of courage is also a form of endurance, though.

Húrin's defiance of Morgoth is very classically "Northern", as the article points out, though there is a very faint hint of hope. Even though Húrin had no real hope for himself, he didn't believe humanity to be utterly doomed on a spiritual level. The 1977 Silmarillion says only that Húrin mocked and defied Morgoth without going into specifics, but the full account of their conversation (published in both Unfinished Tales and The Children of Húrin; I'm quoting from UT but they're very close if not identical) made a really memorable exchange out of the question of hope that helps drive home why Morgoth was so infuriated.

"This last then I will say to you, thrall Morgoth," said Húrin, "and it comes not from the lore of the Eldar, but is put into my heart in this hour. You are not the Lord of Men, and shall not be, though all Arda and Menel fall in your dominion. Beyond the Circles of the World you shall not pursue those who refuse you."

"Beyond the Circles of the World I will not pursue them," said Morgoth. "For beyond the Circles of the World there is Nothing. But within them they shall not escape me, until they enter into Nothing."

"You lie," said Húrin.

Honestly that's one of my favorite moments from the whole First Age.

There. I just finished Lord of the rings. And I enjoyed it immensely. There are some things that really stood out for me.

Throughout the books I noticed the emphasis on strength of character. Next to the events along the story it really takes centre stage and I found it really inspiring.

Also a lot of the characters (Aragorn and Gandalf come to mind) have a very healthy grasp of what they can and cannot control. Doing what is within their reach and then watching events unfold. Always seeing their own and others actions as part of a complex web. Somehow that feels so refreshing.

Also the chapter of the grey havens touched me greatly. I feel this is very close to the way survivors of any war can feel on returning home. A part of the story that is told with great sensitivity.

I loved every minute of reading.

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed reading LOTR so much! I love the ending of the book; the whole gradual unwinding of goodbyes until they return to the Shire, but also the Scouring and of course the bittersweet note on which the last chapter concludes. And of course "well, I'm back" became such an iconic line for good reason. :)
 
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Lady Catherine de Bourgh

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Well....

If you enjoyed reading then may I recommend this following download.

https://m.mediafire.com/folder/cjjdiknzeieol,6jmo2c5q9vbll,jdmyib22aeqpm/shared

It's an amazing unabridged audiobook of The Lord Of The Rings.

The narrator is Phil Dragash. He also spices things up by heavily "borrowing" sound effects and musical score from the movies. He also works towards sounding like the characters do from the movies.

It's awesome and I have listened to it half a dozen times or more.

Enjoy and share


Also if you enjoyed the grey heavens chapter then make sure to listen to the very end of each chapter of each book.

You will understand once you listen.

You feel like you have been on an epic journey and the ending at the end is sublime.
Thanks for this recommendation. Is it a legal thing? I normally don't do downloads.
 

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Thanks for this recommendation. Is it a legal thing? I normally don't do downloads.

It's totally legal to download. However when he put it up onto YouTube initially, it was removed. However most things Tolkien get taken down unless it official.

Each book is split into chapters. So you can try one and see if it's something you might enjoy.

I only tell folks in the Tolkien threads as I enjoy it so. It's great when commuting and sitting at my office desk while I do some office admin. My body is there but my mind is wondering the shire or dodging orc arrows in minas tirrith. Great stuff
 

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And now starting in the Silmarillion. I am very curious about this book. I hear it is not an easy read, but worth while. I intend to read one chapter at the time and then listen to a lecture by the Tolkien professor before moving on to the next.
 

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And now starting in the Silmarillion. I am very curious about this book. I hear it is not an easy read, but worth while. I intend to read one chapter at the time and then listen to a lecture by the Tolkien professor before moving on to the next.
My personal favourite of all of Tolkien's works.

I'd recommend the following resources to aid you in your reading:

A comedic analysis of The Silmarillion:

https://www.tor.com/series/the-silmarillion-primer/

Timeline:

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Various maps:

Arda in the First Age
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Arda in the Second Age

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Arda in the Second Age
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Beleriand North-South view
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The Coming of Men
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The reputation The Silmarillion has stems from the somewhat archaic prose (especially in the first section) and the annalistic style of narrative. Persist with it and you'll be greatly rewarded.
 

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My personal favourite of all of Tolkien's works.

I'd recommend the following resources to aid you in your reading:

A comedic analysis of The Silmarillion:

https://www.tor.com/series/the-silmarillion-primer/

Timeline:

68exu0J.jpg


Various maps:

Arda in the First Age
wRbEsSW.jpg


Arda in the Second Age

kfkaere.jpg


Arda in the Second Age
1PUiDim.jpg


Beleriand North-South view
qtUaDN0.jpg


The Coming of Men
eaLakwe.jpg


The reputation The Silmarillion has stems from the somewhat archaic prose (especially in the first section) and the annalistic style of narrative. Persist with it and you'll be greatly rewarded.
Thank you!
 
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My workload has suddenly lessened quite a bit so I'm ending my shoddily-enforced, self-imposed, temporary exile from Era (I think I made it two weeks?) XD

The news of the Young Aragorn series shouldn't really be a shock to anyone who was paying attention to the whole deal. Heck most of us here predicted this would be the focus of the series. With the shear amount of money Amazon paid for the license, they were always going to start off with something safe and familiar to lure general audiences in, at least initially. With young Aragorn they can start with characters that folks are already familiar with (Aragorn, Arwen, Elrond, Gandalf, etc) and even though Tolkien didn't get too specific regarding every year of Aragorn's pre-War of the Ring life, the broad strokes are established enough that it gives the showrunners plenty to work from to craft some more specific adventures.

What has me excited about setting the show in this period is it gives the writers an excuse to perhaps bring in characters that were kept out of Jackson's films, such as Glorfindel, Elrohir & Elladan, etc.

The big question now is what relation, if any, will this have to Jackson's universe? I'm honestly torn myself, I think both the idea of tying it into the already-established universe and just starting anew have their positives and negatives.
 
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Welcome back, Loxley! Glad work is being easier on you. :)

I would like to see the series take more of its own direction compared to the Jackson films. I think there are a lot of opportunities that way including with minor book characters, as you mention. I wouldn't mind seeing them maintain the visual style of the films for the most part (of course, that style has its basis in earlier Lee and Howe illustrations), though if Amazon wanted to put in the money to show a Minas Tirith that's as large as described in the book that would be wonderful. (Not that I can really complain about the film version, though, given how far they pushed the budgetary and infrastructure limits to get the effects they did.)
 
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Loxley

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Welcome back Loxley.

A signed edition of The Fall of Gondolin will be available upon release:

https://www.waterstones.com/book/th...50?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=

Thanks buddy :) I'm super excited for the Fall of Gondolin if for no other reason than more Alan Lee art.

Humphrey Carpenter's Tolkien biography will be available in Audiobook form from 7th June:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/J-R-Tolkien-Biography/dp/B07CVGT81G

This is great, I've been getting into audiobooks more and more over the last year (they're a great alternative to the podcasts i usually listen to) and it's been a while since I've read Carpenter's biography.
 

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Well now.. this is quite the package.

Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth (Collector's Edition)

The Collector's Edition of Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth is a unique keepsake of the landmark exhibition on the life and work of JRR Tolkien at the Bodleian Library in 2018 and the Morgan Library & Museum in 2019. Bound in Cialux and published in a custom-made presentation box, the book is printed with special endpapers reproducing Tolkien's drawing of the Elvenking's Gate.

The Collector's Edition contains seven unique facsimiles items of JRR Tolkien's work printed on fine Italian paper. These include Tolkien's painting of the dust jacket for The Hobbit, reproduced for the first time on both sides, revealing Tolkien's plea to his first publisher, Stanley Unwin, to print the sun in red and culminating in the underlined instructions to his printer on the reverse of the painting 'IGNORE RED'. Also included is a drawing of the Tower of Orthanc, drawn on the back of an Oxford undergraduate student's exam paper on Chaucer which Tolkien has cancelled with diagonal lines, as well as a manuscript page from The Lord of the Rings describing and illustrating Shelob's Lair. Both of these have never before been reproduced on both sides.

For over 23 years, Tolkien wrote and illustrated Christmas cards and letters for his children, complete with beautifully addressed envelopes and exquisitely painted postage stamps. Included here is the Father Christmas letter and envelope for 1936, addressed to Tolkien's youngest children, Christopher and Priscilla, and bearing a jewel-like stamp from the North Pole, together with the accompanying Christmas card depicting Polar Bear's bath (which overruns and risks wetting the children's gift on the floor below). In the bottom section of the image, Polar Bear instructs the elves on the unique number set aside for every child, ensuring that Christmas gifts are matched and delivered to the correct recipient.

Finally, a facsimile of the newly discovered map drawn by Christopher Tolkien, with annotations in JRR Tolkien's hand (including notes such as 'Hobbiton is assumed to be approx. at the latitude of Oxford', 'Minas Tirith is about the latitude of Ravenna'), from which Pauline Baynes painted her poster map of Middle-earth.

Each facsimile item is reproduced from newly commissioned photography, faithfully reproducing the originals kept in an underground safe in the Bodleian Library. Presented in a custom-made envelope bearing Tolkien's cipher, they are accompanied by a six-page illustrated guide describing and interpreting each facsimile item.

Every copy of the Collector's Edition includes a limitation page signed by Priscilla Tolkien and hand-numbered, guaranteeing authenticity and making this an exceptional, truly unique edition for collectors. The edition is limited to just 675 copies and is expected to be in high demand.

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https://www.bodleianshop.co.uk/collectors-edition.html

Price: £295
Delivery: UK: £20 EU: £35 Rest of the world: £40