Tom Holland Says Uncharted Has a Solution to the Video Game Movie Problem

Braag

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The problem with video game movies is that they are usally half assed or you have situations where they overthink it and create something weird which is nothing like the source material apart from name.
 

Aurc

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I have . I know that his brother was never mentioned before but theres nothing in 1-3 that really contradicts him having a brother either. He thought he was dead and that's good enough for me.
I know the mom was supposedly sick but I didn't see anything in 4 that goes against that either. I honestly dont remember why him and his brother where even in an orphanage.
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It's not outright contradictory, but Sam Drake's existence is such an overtly obvious and shameless asspull that I just can't get behind it. He's never been referenced or thought of by Nate even once in past adventures. This wouldn't be so bad, but Nate looked up to Sam, and I figure he'd at least say something like "I know this would make Sam proud" during one of his many escapades. I believe it was even Sam who taught Nate how to use the grapple hook... which he never uses on any of his adventures prior to 4, and when Tenzin pulls one out in 2, Nate acts like it's the first time he's ever seen something like that.

There's also his origins, which were heavily implied to be very humble beginnings in Uncharted 3's flashback, where he's a street kid in Cartagena. Where was Sam then? Conveniently in jail at the time, I'm guessing? You then learn that his beginnings weren't as humble as you thought, as his mother was a brilliant archaeologist, and he was "fated" to follow in her footsteps. It re-contextualizes our view of Nathan Drake in a way that I just don't care for much.
 

Wil348

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Pikachu and Sonic already had the answer. Though I guess had the Uncharted movie not been delayed so much, maybe it would have.
 

Fletch

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It's not outright contradictory, but Sam Drake's existence is such an overtly obvious and shameless asspull that I just can't get behind it. He's never been referenced or thought of by Nate even once in past adventures. This wouldn't be so bad, but Nate looked up to Sam, and I figure he'd at least say something like "I know this would make Sam proud" during one of his many escapades. I believe it was even Sam who taught Nate how to use the grapple hook... which he never uses on any of his adventures prior to 4, and when Tenzin pulls one out in 2, Nate acts like it's the first time he's ever seen something like that.

There's also his origins, which were heavily implied to be very humble beginnings in Uncharted 3's flashback, where he's a street kid in Cartagena. Where was Sam then? Conveniently in jail at the time, I'm guessing? You then learn that his beginnings weren't as humble as you thought, as his mother was a brilliant archaeologist, and he was "fated" to follow in her footsteps. It re-contextualizes our view of Nathan Drake in a way that I just don't care for much.
Honestly, I thought UC3 was so poorly written that I didn't care for a second that a secret brother is a bit dumb
 

Hellshy

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I'll tag it just in case.
It's not outright contradictory, but Sam Drake's existence is such an overtly obvious and shameless asspull that I just can't get behind it. He's never been referenced or thought of by Nate even once in past adventures. This wouldn't be so bad, but Nate looked up to Sam, and I figure he'd at least say something like "I know this would make Sam proud" during one of his many escapades. I believe it was even Sam who taught Nate how to use the grapple hook... which he never uses on any of his adventures prior to 4, and when Tenzin pulls one out in 2, Nate acts like it's the first time he's ever seen something like that.

There's also his origins, which were heavily implied to be very humble beginnings in Uncharted 3's flashback, where he's a street kid in Cartagena. Where was Sam then? Conveniently in jail at the time, I'm guessing? You then learn that his beginnings weren't as humble as you thought, as his mother was a brilliant archaeologist, and he was "fated" to follow in her footsteps. It re-contextualizes our view of Nathan Drake in a way that I just don't care for much.
Completely understand that train of thought. However:
I think that Nate's guilt of leaving Sam behind to die is pretty good justification for him not mentioning him at all. I am also not sure I ever presumed he was ever from humble beginnings but rather a kid who fell on hard times. I always questioned how a kid like him was able to learn so much secret knowledge about a historical figure. After all his reasoning for breaking in to the museum was not something you would learn from history books.

I think the biggest problem is that people consider it all retcon based off of assumptions and less so on inferences. If that makes sense.
 

Tyaren

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Wait a sec...I thought the film was on ice? If not then that's awesome. Excited to see UC on the big screen and Holland playing young Drake. :)
 

Crossing Eden

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We already got the origin story, Tom
TWICE

I have . I know that his brother was never mentioned before but theres nothing in 1-3 that really contradicts him having a brother either.
Literally the one villain that specializes in fucking with people mentally by pointing out the shit that would trigger them the most doesn't mention the brother that Drake was apparently so traumatized about losing that he NEVER mentioned him once. That villain did however, mention his mother, who i'm pretty sure at the time wasn't intended to be "the greatest historian ever," who is the catalyst for Drake's adventures and his fake heritage as a poser who isn't really a descendant of Drake. The long lost brother twist simply doesn't work even if you try to excuse it as a pulp adventure story.
 

Aurc

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Completely understand that train of thought. However:
I think that Nate's guilt of leaving Sam behind to die is pretty good justification for him not mentioning him at all. I am also not sure I ever presumed he was ever from humble beginnings but rather a kid who fell on hard times. I always questioned how a kid like him was able to learn so much secret knowledge about a historical figure. After all his reasoning for breaking in to the museum was not something you would learn from history books.

I think the biggest problem is that people consider it all retcon based off of assumptions and less so on inferences. If that makes sense.
Hmm yeah, I see what you mean. I suppose there's different ways of viewing the new info that 4 revealed. For some, it feels like a retcon, while others see it as a fairly seamless integration.
 

Hellshy

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Literally the one villain that specializes in fucking with people mentally by pointing out the shit that would trigger them the most doesn't mention the brother that Drake was apparently so traumatized about losing that he NEVER mentioned him once. That villain did however, mention his mother, who i'm pretty sure at the time wasn't intended to be "the greatest historian ever," who is the catalyst for Drake's adventures and his fake heritage as a poser who isn't really a descendant of Drake. The long lost brother twist simply doesn't work even if you try to excuse it as a pulp adventure story.
you say NEVER like it would be easy for everyone to just talk about something like that. we are talking about leaving a loved one behind during some shady ass shit to die. If i was involved in something like that and everyone got out alive I would probably never talk about it except for a few select people. Granted Nate has bigger issues then a heist gone wrong I suppose but after all its just a pulpy adventure.
Maybe its just because I only played the games once but I don't even know what villain you are talking about. I don't remember anyone being specialist in fucking with peoples minds except maybe Katherine? How are we so sure she knows the story of what happened to Sam? Sounds like more assumptions. I also don't remember Katherine saying enough to know what Nate's moms past was. I am just not sure us deciding we dont think it was intended for her to be an historian qualifies as a retcon unless we base it off of something of substance and not just assumptions. At least not for me.

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Hmm yeah, I see what you mean. I suppose there's different ways of viewing the new info that 4 revealed. For some, it feels like a retcon, while others see it as a fairly seamless integration.

Stating it as a problem also probably not the best wording. It is more of a difference of an opinion and one coming from someone who is not super invested in the story line. If I played the game multiple times or something I might be more picky.
 
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TaleSpun

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Yeah no offense but he's kinda too young to take script advice from. We've been down this road before.
It’s more like he’s too young (more specifically, too young looking) to play any version of Drake other than one from prior to Uncharted 1.

It doesn’t really matter how much of the backstory ND already pretty explicitly established, it’ll be a prequel out of necessity. Sony’s probably thinking this is a franchise opportunity, which I personally doubt happens. Gonna end up regretting not just casting a mid-to-late-30s actor.
 

MH MD

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This thread is the first time ever i knew the existence of Drake’s mom lol , must be mentioned in some throwaway dialogue somewhere, cause she is super irrelevant and I missed that information completely and no one ever really mention it anyway when talking about uncharted story
 

RedMercury

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The problem with video game movies is they try to do their own thing, people want the experience of the game in a movie form. They take shit out, they add shit, and it usually doesn't work, the fans dislike it and if that audience doesn't like it it doesn't have much of a shot at success. If you want to make your own thing, write your own thing, don't take bits and pieces from a game series because you don't have enough of an original idea.
 

Hellshy

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This thread is the first time ever i knew the existence of Drake’s mom lol , must be mentioned in some throwaway dialogue somewhere, cause she is super irrelevant and I missed that information completely and no one ever really mention it anyway when talking about uncharted story
It had to be pointed out to me but I believe her name is on a file in uncharted 3 and if you look close enough it mentions an illness.
 

Ivory Samoan

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Sometimes, people are cast in a role and at first I'm like "helllllll no" then turns out I was wrong hell and they were perfection: case in point, Henry Cavill as Geralt.

....I don't think this is going to be one of those moments with Tom as Drake.
 

LazyLain

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Well it certainly solves the "video game movie problem" of why they're casting Tom Holland as Drake...
 

Dragon1893

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I guess you can't expect everyone to be as informed about the source material as Henry Cavill was about the Witcher.
 

Chibs

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B-but we already got his origins in both U3 and 4.

Did they just forget to mention this to him?
 

Dragonyeuw

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Tom right now age-wise and visually is best positioned to play Drake halfway between the kid from Uncharted 3 and the fully realized character we see in the first game. There's tons of possible stories to tell in that period without regurgitating existing material from the games.

Of course, a Nathan Fillion driven film circa 2010 would have been glorious.
 

Hrodulf

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I thought the "video game movie problem" was that they are completely terrible, not that you wouldn't understand them plot-wise if you haven't played the games. In fact, most video game movies have absolutely nothing to do with the actual games in that respect.
 

daveo42

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The way you make a good video game movie is to reference the thing the game itself is referencing or parodying. Mortal Kombat was an alright movie because it was just a martial arts tournament with some odd characters.

Make Uncharted what it is, a blockbuster-style Indiana Jones film with more action sequences and guns. Boom, you got an Uncharted movie.
Sigh

Make Sly Cartoon, Jak Cartoon, Gravity Rush anime, Siren netflix series, Twisted Metal and Resistance series instead...
Now this I could get behind. A full retelling of both games along with all the shit that got cut to fit in Part III into GR2 would be amazing.