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Tom Warren: “hardly anyone has them” (Scarlett dev kits) “They’re no where near final”
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Indeed, Infact we already have seen a bit of it already when the first news about the PS5's ssd hit,
Hopefully the difference will be minimal.
With 16-24gb gddr6 ram, a 5gbps ssd can fill that in 3-5 seconds, makes reram rather pointless with an SSD because the data need to transfer from the ssd to the reram. The only benefit would be if theres 16gb of reram the ssd could load the next set of data into the reram ready for when the gddr6 needs it which could result in some uber fast gameplay or zero load times after the initial load.
I think both consoles will be very similar in terms of power this time, I'd be very surprised if the power difference was big between them. Fingers crossed they are both powerful and fast.
The games are still the thing that matters most though. The X being more powerful than the Pro didn't drastically change sales and PS4 continued to outsell Xbox because they had more and better games.
If Microsoft can make good use of their new studios and make better games / more new IP's, they will be in a much better position next gen.
The games are still the thing that matters most though. The X being more powerful than the Pro didn't drastically change sales and PS4 continued to outsell Xbox because they had more and better games.
If Microsoft can make good use of their new studios and make better games / more new IP's, they will be in a much better position next gen.
It will still be making a mountain out of molehill because the difference will literally be a matter of seconds.
MS have already said that games will open almost instantly.
Phil Spencer already said the new kits (in the thousands) went out around X019.
Or I could listen to Phil who said that they already shipped kits and by common sense we already know that they update them over time (even after launch)
Well it's what I'm getting at. Tom Warren mentioned we should be getting specs soon. So I'm wondering if this is the time since the devkits are hitting the streetz.
I think it'll be other things. Pop in, framerate stability, draw distances, LOD switching rates etc.
Pretty much I think differences will become more granular. The current model of resolution x VS y is going to go away
As been mentioned before, you don't need to have the kit in order to have the target specs. Info could have dropped a while ago. Kits won't have final specs for some time.
It'll be like F1 where flame wars on load times will be lost and won by 10ths, 100ths and 1000ths of a second.
SSD can offer improvements other than load times, and then we're talking about more than "waiting a few seconds" because becomes a part of game design. I don't think it should be a priority to at this point disregard the effect that custom solutions could play in the part of innovation. Games can be designed around technical innovation. I hope both consoles have solutions that are as identical as possible for the sake of discourse, but over that I would not choose for one to be gimped just so you don't have to hear why one is better than the other, even if it deserves recognition.
My point here is completely hypothetical. If the performance is negligible then there won't be much discussion to have. If it's not, then we should be allowed to talk about it.
Thanks for this because I knew I read this somewhere. I didn't wanna bring it up without some type of source. I couldn't find where I read it before.
Yeah, hopefully it helps in all games but I can imagine that it will only be PS5 exclusives that can use it for streaming some insane content in.
Possibly but I fail to understand how it will work, let's say both have 16gb gddr6 available to games, in a game like star citizen or other open world games 5gbps should be more then adequate to fast travel in a open world, streaming tech is rather sophisticated.
The only way I see sony's ssd being noticibly better is if it had 16gb gddr6 + 16gb ddr4 or reram + gen4 ssd
That way the ssd could load in assets required for the other side of an open world, so if u were to fast travel the ddr4/reram would instantly load in the data needed.
However I think this would be possible with just 16gb gddr6 + 5gbps ssd(see star citizen) , data streaming has come a long way and when the entire ram can be filled in 3 seconds o don't think additional reram or ddr4 would make much of a difference.
I don't know what part would be untrue, and the system will release next year.
It doesn't have to be a big deal. I'm sure issues would pop up for something of this scale. They still have a year to get it all sorted. Well, they'll have ~4 months before production of the console starts but I still think they have enough time to sort things out.
I bet you 10 Zillion dollars, it will be nothing like PS4 & Xbox
I'd rather people argue about that than resolution honestly. Would be a major focus (though likely will regardless based on what we've heard) Long loading actually affects my enjoyment at this point it's so bad in some games *cough Destiny 2 cough* makes for a bad experience. Whereas I'm perfectly fine with1080p res.
Though it'll be funny seeing people argue about what will probably be milliseconds.
The reasoning sounds like total bullshit. They want to surprise Sony? lol. I'm pretty sure it's just not ready. Don't think they'd keep it out of the hands of developers to "surprise Sony" as if this is still the Cold War of gaming 20 years ago.
If ppl are going to argue about load times then that will open up other very tedious things to argue about, like console noise, OS layout, audio quality, controller options,
It would be gamefaq levels of nonsense.
Something that could make all of these things make sense when taken together is that Sony was originally targeting a 2019 release and updating to Navi RDNA v1 architecture when their plans changed a couple of years ago, and they are a little bit ahead in terms of when more mature dev kits got out in the timeline. Microsoft was always planning 2020 launch and have some RDNA+ features included (not saying full RDNA v2 implementation, just some portion of follow on architectural feature) that means their more mature dev kits are going to lag some here. And none of this holds back 3rd party developers who have enough next gen target spec range information for both platforms to confidently develop games without having major problems.
LOL, the information about Sony targeting 2019 launch comes straight from the sources that are seen as credible. And nobody knows yet what the final silicon for Xbox (or PS5 for that matter) fully includes architecturally regardless of target minimum specs to have developers be able to develop games for launch considering that games which truly leverage the hardware fully happen several years into a generation anyway.
So stuff people already argue about? At least load times will be a big focus. Hopefully game sizes becomes an arguing point too, 2 worst things this gen for me is install times/download sizes and loading.
Plus all the good will sony earned with the final years of Ps3 and its exclusives
I don't think it will be a big focus of comparison though because both systems will have great load times. I think it will be nothing more then console wars the majority of the time.
Next is going to be about the games and services, because everything else will be very similar.
Sounds like typical regular-ass console wars to me.
Never underestimate the potential pettiness of some console gamers. Shit knows no bounds.
It ain't worth arguing about, but it is worth pointing out.
The first post was about how it'd be console wars, but people argue about that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, funny? Definitely, because the difference would be pretty much nothing but it being a focus is a good thing.
I'm holding out hope that at least one of them has something to minimize how much we have to wait for installs/downloads to be done, just so it becomes a big talking point, they got out of hand awhile ago and I doubt they are getting smaller next gen. Stream now, download later seems like a good option, but it would be limited to those with good Internet or no data cap, so no ideal for many.
Not sure where the "Sony was targeting 2019" rumors are coming from. I kept telling people in that one thread that "team 2019" was going to be disappointed, and we were reporting as early as April 2018 that PS5 likely wouldn't be out until 2020. I guess it's possible that at some point Sony was targeting 2019, but all of these companies are looking at every possible release window and gaming out every possible price/spec/launch permutation. As far as I know, all the serious next-gen conversations have revolved around fall 2020 for a long time.
Thanks for the info. I m assuming Sony is just ahead schedule wise for dev kits. Not a bad thing or good thing but it is what it is. Correct?
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It seems to be that MS is behind simply because of their own internal reasons.
Which source confirms Sony were originally targeting a 2019 release?
I don't think the CPU, GPU and SSD tech had any chance of being in place for a 2019 release.
People in here calling a known 2 decade long journalist and insider a fanboy? Embarrassing what plastic box console wars do lol
I believe that the Sony thing has been said by moderators on here and Klee too, but if nothing else it shows that nobody really has the full story on things even if hearing pieces of things in various places.