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Tom Warren: “hardly anyone has them” (Scarlett dev kits) “They’re no where near final”
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Nobody has said sales don't matter.
The argument was about "winning" a console race just by measuring console sales. We are heading into times where there are just different subscriptions instead of different console boxes.
And if you want to look at the past, for example the PS3 was a huge money sink for Sony whereas Xbox 360 was seen as a huge success for MS in creating interest and gaining mindshare. PS3 sold a couple of million consoles more in the end, but I don't think anyone argues that PS3 beat Xbox 360 and is seen as a winner.
that bait got this one hard. damn Tom, why you gotta do them like this?
I can't wait!!!! So many next gen games. Hopefully a lot of gameplay to blow my socks off! Pew pew lew
What if it's as simple as MS used standard shipping (5-7 business days) to ship devkits and Sony used express (3-5 business days)?
I have not read through this thread. Is Xbox doomed and Microsoft leaving the console market again?
Yeah iirc a month ago or so Klee said the dev he went to visit had just received a new version of the scarlett devkit.
Don't know why you quoted me but enjoy, I guess. The insinuation I believe you're making only works for those of your ilk, that frequent these threads and enjoy the discord.
People are so eager to TFLOP it out and see who can measure the most dicks. The smart money is on very negligible power difference between the two consoles.
You think that's fun?
Respectfully I think people like you are part of the problem.
This thread is a perfect example of why the next gen thread goes off the rails at times. I also dont know why you got quoted.You didnt say anything controversial. Like someone said....its a good thread to use for an ignore list.
isn't microsoft pretty much against losing money on launch consoles? doubt they are gonna surprise sony. any surprise will come with a higher price tag or a huge loss so sony likely won't be sweating. do the microsoft kits at least have an equivalent ssd setup? you would think they want their developers to use it right off the bat.
The only real problem i had with your initial post was framing it as some fanboy driven effort to analyze console sales, when it goes much deeper than that. I understand my mistake in replying to you without stating as such, so I apologize for my part in that misinterpretation.
I knew as much about not paying per download (that would be silly) but I was more wondering aloud how a flat rate compares to the traditional payment structure, particularly for independent developers.
I really don't know how to reply to this. I'm interested in actual discussion. If you aren't, we can dead this right here. As I've said, I'm not of your ilk. I won't mute or block you but I'd rather not continue to entertain this pettiness.
No company likes to take a loss but of the three Microsoft is the most able to do so. They're already eating a loss with the gamepass deal. I think you're going to be in for a surprise.
I love this argument, it has been popping up since the Xbox was announced/released. MS and their infinite pockets *chuckles
No, I don't like the ignore function. Everyone has their good and bad moments. I'd hate to miss out on something enlightening just because of past indiscretions. I let the mods sort it out and continue on. Everyone deserves a chance.
how are they gonna make any money back if they are losing money with both gamepass and the console? typically they recoup costs with software sales.
Well its always been spreading the brand for them then profit, eventually once gamepass reaches a certain threshold I expect its price to go up, and then they will finally start making money on it.
Xbox Live, controllers and other hardware, in game monetisation etc. It's not like Gamepass is free either.
I think they have always taken a loss on console hardware at launch?
It's all good. I just think strictly console sales to judge the success of Xbox will be outdated come next gen.
Safe to say the people infatuated with a fanboy are fanboys themselves.
Royalties, accessories, Xbox live, gamepass, etc will cancel out the loss. No one is going to pull a PS3 Sony but to think Microsoft isn't willing to eat any loss is some narrative spin and disregard of history.
I believe analysis will be much like it is this gen: Outside of shareholder meetings, incredibly difficult.
Reminds me of 2000 when PS2 launched and bush and gore were going at it in the debates. Hard to believe next year is the 20th anniversary of that.
You'd just have to judge by overall profit the Xbox division had and if it's growing each quarter or annually.
What's the point of this juvenile behavior? The poster you were quoting does not come across as aggravated. Nor was he/she saying something controversial. You on the other hand sound like someone in the youtube comment section.
He did the same thing to me earlier in this thread. I don't think he's mature enough for this forum, his posts seem more suited to Gamefaqs or Youtube comment sections. He won't last very long here if he keeps this sort of behavior up. Some people can't have civil discussions when Sony or MS are mentioned in the same thread. They take it as a chance to get fired up with console warrior fervor for whatever reason. I think it's best to ignore him.
Game pass is already between $10-$15 a month. How much higher do you expect them to go? Or do you mean outside the $1 promo?
Though I expect GPU will rise quite a bit as the value is just too damn good right now at $15 while including Gold.
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The person you replied to seems fine. You on the other hand....... yikes.
I am from Brazil and xbox is pretty strong here still (was stronger in the 360 era).
I'm guessing 15$ with less discounts in the future, GPU maybe 20?
You are probably right. It's just gonna get worse next year too
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It's a nothing tweet but a lot need to say their fill on why they won't surprise Sony. Yikes!
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It's a nothing tweet but a lot need to say their fill on why they won't surprise Sony. Yikes!
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my big take away, that really hasn't seemed to be picked up on, is Tom's seemingly insistence, across multiple tweets/posts, that scarlett (anaconda?) is 12 TF. thats huge and significantly more than the klee baseline of 10.0 TF.
IIRC, Klee didn't say 10TF. He said both consoles "should have double digits TF" and " Both PS5/Scarlett have double digit performance (I.e. over 10.0TF)"
hence "baseline". putting the baseline, +/- 10%, at 12 TF is great news (if true)
