I'll be rooting for the blue teamsOh lordy, this just made me realize we are going into a massive console launch year for two of the big players AND a US Presidential election. Bans will be everywhere.
I'll be rooting for the blue teamsOh lordy, this just made me realize we are going into a massive console launch year for two of the big players AND a US Presidential election. Bans will be everywhere.
Nobody has said sales don't matter.This is annoying, honestly. Sales will always matter, there is nothing console war-ish or fanboy-ish about it.
If MS can sustain their business or even thrive without being market leader, thats great. But sales do matter. It determines what development teams will risk making games for your console, if audiences are viable for indies, and maybe more.
👀Imagine thinking Microsoft has truly given up on the idea of Lockhart.
A little behind, massively behind. None of that matters if MS doesn't have the exclusive quality output to match the competition.
They can survive having weaker hardware or launching slightly later. They cannot survive having worse exclusive content than Sony and Nintendo. Not again. This information is nothing to worry about, in my mind, but all eyes should be on their studios and how they compete against the best in the industry moving forward.
I can't wait!!!! So many next gen games. Hopefully a lot of gameplay to blow my socks off! Pew pew lewMan next e3 is going to be a wild ride if this thread is anything to go by lol
Easier than retyping all of it.
Oh lordy, this just made me realize we are going into a massive console launch year for two of the big players AND a US Presidential election. Bans will be everywhere.
Don't know why you quoted me but enjoy, I guess. The insinuation I believe you're making only works for those of your ilk, that frequent these threads and enjoy the discord.that bait got this one hard. damn Tom, why you gotta do them like this?
😂 okay. You keep delivering. Thank you.Don't know why you quoted me but enjoy, I guess. The insinuation I believe you're making only works for those of your ilk, that frequent these threads and enjoy the discord.
LolWhat if it's as simple as MS used standard shipping (5-7 business days) to ship devkits and Sony used express (3-5 business days)?
God I had so much fun destroying that man's community with a few of my friends. Started a competing website and everything haha. Literally copied and pasted his jibberish and broke it down line by line proving he's full of shit. Eventually I got legit death threats and everything. His lame ass livejournal was cleared eventually and he made this forum where it was nothing more than four or five people screaming into the empty nothingness of the internet.
This thread is a perfect example of why the next gen thread goes off the rails at times. I also dont know why you got quoted.You didnt say anything controversial. Like someone said....its a good thread to use for an ignore list.Don't know why you quoted me but enjoy, I guess. The insinuation I believe you're making only works for those of your ilk, that frequent these threads and enjoy the discord.
The only real problem i had with your initial post was framing it as some fanboy driven effort to analyze console sales, when it goes much deeper than that. I understand my mistake in replying to you without stating as such, so I apologize for my part in that misinterpretation.NOBODY SAID CONSOLE SALES DON"T MATTER. Quit this strawman argument. The point is Xbox's overall business is way more than just consoles.
I knew as much about not paying per download (that would be silly) but I was more wondering aloud how a flat rate compares to the traditional payment structure, particularly for independent developers.Exact returns or payment structures aren't known for Gamepass, but it's definitely known that games going onto gamepass are paid for up front and not on a per-download or per-hours-played model, thankfully.
I really don't know how to reply to this. I'm interested in actual discussion. If you aren't, we can dead this right here. As I've said, I'm not of your ilk. I won't mute or block you but I'd rather not continue to entertain this pettiness.
isn't microsoft pretty much against losing money on launch consoles? doubt they are gonna surprise sony. any surprise will come with a higher price tag or a huge loss so sony likely won't be sweating.
I love this argument, it has been popping up since the Xbox was announced/released. MS and their infinite pockets *chucklesNo company likes to take a loss but of the three Microsoft is the most able to do so. They're already eating a loss with the gamepass deal. I think you're going to be in for a surprise.
No, I don't like the ignore function. Everyone has their good and bad moments. I'd hate to miss out on something enlightening just because of past indiscretions. I let the mods sort it out and continue on. Everyone deserves a chance.This thread is a perfect example of why the next gen thread goes off the rails at times. I also dont know why you got quoted.You didnt say anything controversial. Like someone said....its a good thread to use for an ignore list.
how are they gonna make any money back if they are losing money with both gamepass and the console? typically they recoup costs with software sales.No company likes to take a loss but of the three Microsoft is the most able to do so. They're already eating a loss with the gamepass deal. I think you're going to be in for a surprise.
Well its always been spreading the brand for them then profit, eventually once gamepass reaches a certain threshold I expect its price to go up, and then they will finally start making money on it.how are they gonna make any money back if they are losing money with both gamepass and the console? typically they recoup costs with software sales.
how are they gonna make any money back if they are losing money with both gamepass and the console? typically they recoup costs with software sales.
they used the ace ventura delivery service maybe?What if it's as simple as MS used standard shipping (5-7 business days) to ship devkits and Sony used express (3-5 business days)?
It's all good. I just think strictly console sales to judge the success of Xbox will be outdated come next gen.The only real problem i had with your initial post was framing it as some fanboy driven effort to analyze console sales, when it goes much deeper than that. I understand my mistake in replying to you without stating as such, so I apologize for my part in that misinterpretation.
Safe to say the people infatuated with a fanboy are fanboys themselves.I honestly see him brought up here more than I've actually seen anything from him. What's the weird infatuation with a random internet shit poster? It's rather disturbing how some still discuss him.
how are they gonna make any money back if they are losing money with both gamepass and the console? typically they recoup costs with software sales.
I believe analysis will be much like it is this gen: Outside of shareholder meetings, incredibly difficult.It's all good. I just think strictly console sales to judge the success of Xbox will be outdated come next gen.
Oh lordy, this just made me realize we are going into a massive console launch year for two of the big players AND a US Presidential election. Bans will be everywhere.
You'd just have to judge by overall profit the Xbox division had and if it's growing each quarter or annually.I believe analysis will be much like it is this gen: Outside of shareholder meetings, incredibly difficult.
I just hope site moderation is there but i know better
He did the same thing to me earlier in this thread. I don't think he's mature enough for this forum, his posts seem more suited to Gamefaqs or Youtube comment sections. He won't last very long here if he keeps this sort of behavior up. Some people can't have civil discussions when Sony or MS are mentioned in the same thread. They take it as a chance to get fired up with console warrior fervor for whatever reason. I think it's best to ignore him.What's the point of this juvenile behavior? The poster you were quoting does not come across as aggravated. Nor was he/she saying something controversial. You on the other hand sound like someone in the youtube comment section.
Game pass is already between $10-$15 a month. How much higher do you expect them to go? Or do you mean outside the $1 promo?Well its always been spreading the brand for them then profit, eventually once gamepass reaches a certain threshold I expect its price to go up, and then they will finally start making money on it.
God I had so much fun destroying that man's community with a few of my friends. Started a competing website and everything haha. Literally copied and pasted his jibberish and broke it down line by line proving he's full of shit. Eventually I got legit death threats and everything. His lame ass livejournal was cleared eventually and he made this forum where it was nothing more than four or five people screaming into the empty nothingness of the internet.
I am from Brazil and xbox is pretty strong here still (was stronger in the 360 era).To use Japan/China/Brazil as examples, Xbox already has tiny mindshare/adoption rates in those countries. And it's not for lack of trying on MS's part. Xcloud if anything gives a far cheaper less risky option for people in those markets to potentially try or use Xbox.
Exact returns or payment structures aren't known for Gamepass, but it's definitely known that games going onto gamepass are paid for up front and not on a per-download or per-hours-played model, thankfully.
I'm guessing 15$ with less discounts in the future, GPU maybe 20?Game pass is already between $10-$15 a month. How much higher do you expect them to go? Or do you mean outside the $1 promo?
Though I expect GPU will rise quite a bit as the value is just too damn good right now at $15 while including Gold.
He did the same thing to me earlier in this thread. I don't think he's mature enough for this forum, his posts seem more suited to Gamefaqs or Youtube comment sections. He won't last very long here if he keeps this sort of behavior up. Some people can't have civil discussions when Sony or MS are mentioned in the same thread. They take it as a chance to get fired up with console warrior fervor for whatever reason. I think it's best to ignore him.
IIRC, Klee didn't say 10TF. He said both consoles "should have double digits TF" and " Both PS5/Scarlett have double digit performance (I.e. over 10.0TF)"my big take away, that really hasn't seemed to be picked up on, is Tom's seemingly insistence, across multiple tweets/posts, that scarlett (anaconda?) is 12 TF. thats huge and significantly more than the klee baseline of 10.0 TF.
You sure Tom wasn't guessing Phil's anaconda size? :-pmy big take away, that really hasn't seemed to be picked up on, is Tom's seemingly insistence, across multiple tweets/posts, that scarlett (anaconda?) is 12 TF. thats huge and significantly more than the klee baseline of 10.0 TF.
IIRC, Klee didn't say 10TF. He said both consoles "should have double digits TF" and " Both PS5/Scarlett have double digit performance (I.e. over 10.0TF)"
Oh lordy, this just made me realize we are going into a massive console launch year for two of the big players AND a US Presidential election. Bans will be everywhere.