Exactly, if his completion percentage didn't scare some teams. I doubt this will scare them off drafting him.
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Top NFL QB Prospect Josh Allen’s offensive high school tweets unearthed
- Thread starter Coyote Starrk
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Exactly, if his completion percentage didn't scare some teams. I doubt this will scare them off drafting him.
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I can't seem to have sympathy for a racist. Fuck em. Granted with millions on the line someone should have inform him to clean house on his social media presence. Oh well.
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He is really not.
If we can try 16-18yr old kids as adult for crimes we sure as shit can hold them accountable for their social media accounts.
The guy was calling people faggots and throwing around racial slurs and racist lines.
There is no "well he is just a kid guys" here. Also since when is "pretending" to be a homophobic racist "trying to be cool"
This sounds like one of those "white boy wanna say the n-word" type of deals, which I would classify as offensive rather than "racist." The only one that sounds racist is the "if it ain't white" one.
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Yeah I would be too.
Whoever just put all the focus on those tweet today just earned Baker a one way ticket to the Browns.
I wouldn't give him a pass on the racial stuff, but everything else...come on, if social media was around in my teens and early twenties there would absolutely be some dumb shit on there I would not want dug up many years later.
God am I lucky that I was an edgy teen and didn't use social networks. Who brings up shit someone did as a teenager to judge there character years later.
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People are trying to say that this shouldn't affect his draft status or the opinion that teams have of his character.
It absolutely should.
Now he may have changed his beliefs or matured and that's fine, but at the very least this shows that he was not willing to be upfront and honest about his past views or mistakes.
If I was a team about to invest a #1 overall pick I sure as hell would look at all of this and be repulsed.
That "if it ain't white" one could've been a slightly misquoted reference to a Modern Family episode. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
http://modernfamily.wikia.com/wiki/Manny_Get_Your_Gun
I mean I still say a lot of stupid shit but I'm also glad social media wasn't a thing when I was in high school.
http://modernfamily.wikia.com/wiki/Manny_Get_Your_Gun
I mean I still say a lot of stupid shit but I'm also glad social media wasn't a thing when I was in high school.
I was just thinking about this and how social media can and should affect our employment opportunities. Should there be a cut off at 18? 21? Post college? I mean, some employers already check potential candidates' personal Facebook's, Twitter should be the next step. I guess context would have to come in to play as well.
I'm really not against using someone's social media to get a sense of ones character, but at what point can we give them the benefit of the doubt and allow them to further mature emotionally and empatheticlly?
He would never...
Nah, I can't even pretend. Bill would totally do that.
I dunno, could be a good replacement for Rapistberger.
In what way does it show that?
When he meets someone new should he lead with "Hi I'm Josh and I used to post dumb and offensive things on Twitter"
This analogy doesn't make sense.
Trying someone for a crime is not the same as holding someone accountable over their over social media posts.
First of all a being tried for a crime implies it was a recent thing. Usually you're caught and tried soon after. These tweets tho are old enough to expect that person that made them to be different now.
I disagree.
It would be different if we're talking about tweets he made during his time in college or even recently. But people can change, especially when in a college campus setting from when they were 13-17 years old. Hell, my wife held some pretty awful views when she was in high school, and it wasn't until she got to college that she matured and became a much more open-minded person. Not to mention that most 21 year olds probably don't remember social media posts from when they were in high school, and didn't think much of it. I'll say the guy was being the stereotypical dumb jock idiot in high school, but I'm not going to brand him as being a racist or homophobe unless he still holds those views. I'm going to throw stones when I likely said stupid shit when I was a teenager before I grew the fuck up.
I did the same shit too when I was 14, i can admit that. People can absolutely change. Im in fact quite the opposite of how I was as a teenager as im sure many have grown to be.
Baker was already screwed, I am sure he was the choice Haslam's homeless guy suggested and we know how much Jimmy values his feedback.
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I feel like there is a joke or reference here I am not getting
Giants are fine, because the Browns are (probably) drafting Mayfield. Who they almost certainly could get with the 4th pick. Sigh...
And thus, the true consequences of social media has taken shape.
We now have an entire history of public statements dating back to childhood to go through whenever someone gets into the spotlight. Your entire life will be up for scrutiny now, not just things that someone happened to have quoted you on and hearsay from others.
I'm not sure if this will be a good thing or a bad thing in the end. It may help weed out bad people from positions of power\notoriety before they had the sense\handlers\agents to keep these thoughts private or it may end indicting someone for actions while you were in formative years.
In this particular case, I think this is fair game to scrutinize Josh Allen for his high school tweets. While racism is a indoctrinated belief, you need to demonstrate growth beyond such heinous thoughts to regain standing in the public eye.
We now have an entire history of public statements dating back to childhood to go through whenever someone gets into the spotlight. Your entire life will be up for scrutiny now, not just things that someone happened to have quoted you on and hearsay from others.
I'm not sure if this will be a good thing or a bad thing in the end. It may help weed out bad people from positions of power\notoriety before they had the sense\handlers\agents to keep these thoughts private or it may end indicting someone for actions while you were in formative years.
In this particular case, I think this is fair game to scrutinize Josh Allen for his high school tweets. While racism is a indoctrinated belief, you need to demonstrate growth beyond such heinous thoughts to regain standing in the public eye.
Its odd as to why they wouldnt draft Barkley first, then Mayfield
I'm REALLY hoping my Browns pick Barkley at #1 and pick up a QB at #4.
but at the same time I really don't mind them getting the QB they want if one really stands out to them for whatever reason and getting Chubb at #4. Our edge rushing game will be epic. Plus, our RBs are fine. Would be better with Barkley, but they're fine as is.
1. He's a dumbass for not having someone deal with this once it was clear he was an NFL prospect.
2. Being a teenager isn't a good enough excuse to be a racist shit stain. (Unless it's just lyrics, then he's just a dumbassX2)
Fuck em, no room for QB's this fucking stupid.
2. Being a teenager isn't a good enough excuse to be a racist shit stain. (Unless it's just lyrics, then he's just a dumbassX2)
Fuck em, no room for QB's this fucking stupid.
That is why I don't see Barkley going to the Browns. Chubb will be the 4th pick if he is still there and it is a bigger need for them.
Also, when it's less than a day before the draft, it's hard for teams to do their due diligence on vetting his currently held attitude. I think there's an decent chance he's changed that aspect of himself since then, but when picking him as your QB of the future, they're going to want more than a "maybe".
If the Browns weren't going to take a QB with the top pick it would be smart of them to take Chubb first and then take a QB at 4. There are plenty of good RB's this draft that will be further down the board for them to get.
If I was a college football coach my first damn speech to the new freshman classes would include a conversation of "go to your social media accounts and scour and remove anything remotely offensive."
I'm seriously surprised that this kid didn't have anyone watching his back in this regard.
I'm seriously surprised that this kid didn't have anyone watching his back in this regard.
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Exactly. This is just an all around bad look. He probably cost himself a top 5 selection.
Because people who had Darnold, Rosen, and Allen all on the same level are gonna be leaning towards Rosen and Darnold now.
wouldn't surprise me if it was CLE leaking in order to absolve them for passing on the best QB in the draft. There's plenty of well run teams that will happily snap him up lining up after them.
edit: teams have known about this all along I'm guessing and he's likely had to answer for it in interviews. The only thing that changed was that it was leaked by someone i.e. CLE, Josh himself (to not go to CLE) or rival teams so that he would drop to them.
edit: teams have known about this all along I'm guessing and he's likely had to answer for it in interviews. The only thing that changed was that it was leaked by someone i.e. CLE, Josh himself (to not go to CLE) or rival teams so that he would drop to them.
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Do you realize the average playing conditions Allen had to play in at Wyoming? Cold temps + High Winds = Low Completion % couple that with the fact he was in an offense that relied on big plays deep down the field he is going to have a lower completion %. He didn't pad his stats with dinky screens and dump offs.
When Cleveland used their second first rounder in 2015 on Manziel, Haslam said he drafted him because a Homeless guy in Cleveland told him to draft himl
I'm not saying he's not talented. He hasn't done anything to justify the hype except having a big arm
All of this wouldn't be happening had the Browns been smart and drafted Wentz.
As an Eagles fan however, I'll take it.
As an Eagles fan however, I'll take it.
In those tweets he was 14-15. As abhorrent as they are, kids at that age are often abhorrent.
Wentz would have NEVER blossomed under the Browns like he did with the Eagles.
Wentz and Foles are both good QB's who became great QBs in a solid QB system.
Foles didn't do much of anything in St. Louis with Jeff Fisher either, but his first season back in Philly, as a BACKUP, he goes on to become Superbowl MVP. lol
If the Browns drafted Wentz, I highly doubt he would have had even a quarter of the success he's had in Philly.
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Yeah he would have done a bit better than Kizer but not by much.
That why I feel so damn bad for Kizer. He never had chance and now everyone thinks he is trash.