So your argument is some people lie about stuff sometimes + McDonald's?
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Toronto chef butchers, eats deer leg in front of animal rights protesters outside his restaurant
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I had horse once in Italy. Tough and gamey. Definitely wouldn't choose to eat again.
Should humans empathize with mass-produced smart phones too? Most animals consumed by humans only existed because they were born on a farm to eventually be slaughtered for food and/or used for resources. That is their entire purpose.
Yes, because humans are ready to line up and eat animal byproducts, bland grains, grass, and other animal feed. You said it yourself -- humans consume meat because they demand it. I don't see such a demand for food compatible with veganism, even if that animal feed production was retooled to more human-compatible food.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/how-much-meat-contribute-to-gw.html
Why not place more emphasis on fossil fuel usage reduction instead? Your efforts could make a much larger difference on the environment focusing there.
And I do not understand why you feel you have the right to be an arbiter of other people's diets and choices. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Ah ok. Stand corrected then. F those protesters if everything is above board on animal treatment before killing.
I dunno, maybe go ask yourself instead of just assuming he's lying? Just sounds like you're coming up with new goalposts to dislike what he's doing.
Just militant vegans. People that choose a way of life should really stop trying to convert others. It's a personal choice issue. The restaurant actually has some non meat options.
I found out about this story from a girl I've been taking to and just based on these idiots, we decide to go try the restaurant.
I don't even eat meat, I'm going to go have one of their veggie dishes. But fuck militant anyone, specially militant vegans, go live your own life and stop worrying about what others choose
I found out about this story from a girl I've been taking to and just based on these idiots, we decide to go try the restaurant.
I don't even eat meat, I'm going to go have one of their veggie dishes. But fuck militant anyone, specially militant vegans, go live your own life and stop worrying about what others choose
We get it, eating meat is bad, everybody that does so is bad, everybody lies.
This is why these threads constantly go nowhere, at some point "okay fair enough I don't agree but that's what he claims to want so I believe it" needs to enter into the dialogue. You're not even being consistent in your position now.
Rah rah meat eating is vile replete with "I drive a hybrid" sentiment and moral pontification wears thin.
It's a hit or miss thing really. Probably had a bad cut.
If they were only protesting some like foie gras and knew for sure it was inhumane then I'd be fine. But yeah they just seem like assholes so...
Really now? Huh. So the standards are higher in France? If you just fed geese regularly it could still be called foie gras? Interesting.
Comparing an animal with an inanimate object, real sound logic there.
And that makes it better how? It's not moral for a significant part of the population to starve so others can eat meat.
I never said we shouldn't? Your own link says that meat production is a significant factor. It's naturally also relevant.
I never told anybody what to eat, don't put words in my mouth. You said there's no difference in morals there. There is.
Well, I wouldn't know about that. The dish I'm talking about has some meat loafy consistency, but it's different. Very good, would suggest you try it if you see it offered.
http://www.contadino.com/uploads/im...ght_size_5d014d450b8bf1e2e2b843432b0452d1.jpg
The nature argument is so silly.
"Animals eat animals all the time! It's just nature, can't fight how nature works."
(He says, typing into his smartphone, driving his car to and from his huge office building, wearing clothes from artificial fibers made continents away, his body fully vaccinated, bottles of medicine and antiseptic in his glovebox.)
"Animals eat animals all the time! It's just nature, can't fight how nature works."
(He says, typing into his smartphone, driving his car to and from his huge office building, wearing clothes from artificial fibers made continents away, his body fully vaccinated, bottles of medicine and antiseptic in his glovebox.)
Menu looks amazing
Might have to make the trip up from Buffalo to give this guy some business.
http://www.dine.to/menus/menu_177774_document.pdf
Might have to make the trip up from Buffalo to give this guy some business.
http://www.dine.to/menus/menu_177774_document.pdf
Murder only applies to the taking of another human life, protesters. At least be correct semantically.
You really, really need to google the word "millitant" because you seem to think that it means "people who protest"?
Like, it's a pretty simple fact that the world would be in a way, way, way better position if we would seriously limit and/or quit our excessive meat consumption. You don't even have to look at it from an animal rights perspective, you could just look at it from a "preservation of the planet"-perspective. The absolutely staggering amount of farmland necessary to feed the cattle, let alone their direct impact on the environment, should be enough argument, really.
Note: I eat meat. Because I'm willfully ignorant and, so far, didn't put in the effort to make the necessary changes to my lifestyle. But those people protesting? We should probably all be there with them.
I said it before in this topic -- I'm all for responsible sourcing of animals and humane treatment/slaughter. What goes on at many large companies who process animals is disgusting and immoral. But, these animals are not sentient. They are not people. They are tools and they are raw materials for food.
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Poor choice of wording on my part. Animals can definitely feel (sentience), but I'd still argue that common farm animals (cows, pigs, chickens, etc.) raised for slaughter are not intelligent enough to be self-aware. As I mentioned in previous posts in this thread, I am all for humane treatment and slaughter practices -- but I still do not believe eating animals specifically raised to be slaughtered is inherently immoral or less morale than avoiding meat.
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I agree, this drives me nuts. Just emotionally manipulative.
MY MAN. "favouring confrontational or violent methods in support of a political or social cause."
Literally these people.
How is it a wild accusation? An industry standard is an industry standard, it's up to them to prove they are going against the norm.
We do. I'll have you know sir, I take my BBQ very seriously!
This is plain wrong. Most are not self-aware. Comparing them to tools is as wrong as you can get.
So if something says "vegan" on the menu, you don't believe it until you've seen the cooking process? Get outta here with this kind of reasoning.
You want them to be cruel, so you assume they are cruel. Maybe you're even right. But burden of proof doesn't work the way you're using it.
That's not what protesting is. Would you say that the Women's March was "militant" because they "confronted" Trump with the issues they have with them? Would you describe any and all protests as "militant"?
It is more ethical to kill deer in many places than let them live and starve to death slowly as they are, in many cases, an invasive species. Either way they die, but it's more ethical to make it as quick and painless as possible as well as to have a productive use of their body after death.
Unless you have proof, you're making a wild accusation.
I truly feel what the chef did is a form of counter-protesting, and he was well within his right to do so (without being an asshole). Not to be a stick in the mud though, but hero? Come on. The French officer who traded his life for a hostage is a hero. Or the Parkland student who held the door open for students to escape. Let's not be silly with the word. Some people actually deserve to be called heroes.
That's my quick old man rant.
That's my quick old man rant.
You have to provide a fatty diet, but you don't have to forcefeed. There's goose farms in Spain that provide olives, acorns, and figs for their geese to eat. They naturally fatten up on the rich food when they are preparing to migrate, which gives them the fatty liver that people are looking for.
why would you protest a small urban restaurant instead of taking aim at something that actually matters like mass factory farming
how do you even function with this mentality? if everyone is lying, i'm sure you make your only clothes, grow all your own food, generate your own power, and make your own electronics.
Those questions hardly matter to me, I don't call them militant. You asked him to google "militant", and now you're not happy with the definition? I was just pointing out he was using the word correctly.
EDIT: In this situation, yes. The difference between a "normal" and a "militant" vegan would be their approach to protest.
I imagine people have more attachment to horses. I know the only time I hear about people eating horses if when they found out some companies trying to pass it off as beef.
That's not how any of this works. If you make an accusation the onus is on you to provide proof.
I'm guessing the OP or anyone in this thread doesn't literally think the chef is a hero.
Oh you mean people that have and continue to harass an establishment and it's patrons because they eat meat? Yeah, don't worry I know what it is
I'm being perfectly consistent in not believing somebody out for profits when they say something generic about how it's ethical. If this were about anything other than meat people would agree "don't trust companies" but since it is I'm expected to just believe that things are fine and they are going against the standard just because they say so.
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