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Total War WARHAMMER II |OT| SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS

karnage10

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Title:
Total War: Warhammer 2
Developer: Creative Assembly
Publisher: SEGA
Platform: Steam
Release Date: Thursday, 28th of September, 2017
Price: 59.99€ / 59.99$ /39.99£
System Requirements
Reviews:
Opencritic 86
Oficial Social Media: Twitter

The second game of the total war warhammer trilogy improves on every facet of total war warhammer while adding new content. You can enjoy warhammer 2 without needing to play warhammer 1 because warhammer 2 features its own campaign which is called vortex campaign. This campaign has a small story for each of the 4 playable races to justify their need to control the vortex.
If you already own warhammer 1 you will unlock a special campaign in warhammer 2 called mortal empires which features all races from each game. Both warhammer 1 and warhammer 2 will eventually interact with warhammer 3 making an even bigger campaign sandbox to fully embrace the universe of the warhammer fantasy tabletop game.

For those unfamiliar with the series, Total War combines a Civilization-like turn based aspect with real-time battles. On the campaign map you build and manage your empire. Construction, unit creation, trade, diplomacy, taxes, and subterfuge are all done on the campaign map. When armies meet on the campaign map The game becomes a real-time battle where you can directly control your forces.

WH2 has 3 singleplayer modes:
- Campaign
- Quick /quest/ custom battle
- The laboratory (FLC)

WH2 has 2 multiplayer modes:
- Co-op/head to head campaign (2 players only)
- Quick/custom battle


  • 4 Rites for each faction which buff or recruit special new units (like the black ark or a slann);
  • Synced animations between monster units;
  • Rogue armies. These armies don’t use the roster of a faction instead they use a “theme” - think a monster only army which is made from lizardmen, wood elves and greenskins units.
  • Treasure adventures - your armies can now go on adventures when they explore ruins. This works like a small text point and click adventure, a few text boxes with decisions.
  • 3 way battles (multiplayer only).
  • “New” types of battles such as chokepoint battles, gate battles and island battles;
  • No regional occupation limits, instead a new climate system has been added. Each race has preferred climates, if you settle on other non preferred climates you will take penalties.
  • A new trait system similar to the bretonian race from the previous game.
  • New army abilities. For example, allows you to summon cold ones as lizardmen or clan rats as skaven.
  • Lots of quality of life improvements such as: Being able to control what the game shows you during the “end turn time” per faction; Having a warning when you click end turn if you haven’t done everything possible; UI is better and prettier; Legendary Lords capped level increased to 40, showing the percentage of your movement points, etc..

The vortex campaign
New map with 4 continents, 4 new races! Each race has their own storyline to take control of the vortex. In this campaign the AI will be able to win against the player by fulfilling their objectives.
The DLC races (like the tomb kings) don't compete for the vortex, having their own objective.
The following map shows the locations of every non skaven faction and playable races:

Mortal Empires is the new a playable campaign that mixes both warhammer 1 and warhammer 2 maps. CA will be taking the entirety of the Old World campaign map from the first game and expanding to the West, taking in key territories from the map of the vortex campaign. Alongside the expansion the old world map has been reworked with new settlements and factions creating totally new challenges for the factions from wwarhammer 1.
This new campaign is pure conquest, no vortex story-line, with all the playable races and factions from both games released so far vying for dominance across the continents. This map will have 296 settlements and 122 starting factions. You will be able to choose between 45* legendary lords and 35* starting positions.
Because of the cheer size the end turn time will increase and there is no way around it.
To play this campaign you need to own both warhammer 2 and warhammer 1.
Bellow is the map of the campaign with the playable factions.

Playable races

How to understand the following section?
Each race has 1 paragraph for a flavor text to explain the spirit of the faction, followed by campaign mechanics and ending with a paragraph talking about their unique mechancis in battle. Each race has a picture of their leaders called legendary lords (LL), in that picture there is the title of the game. If the picture has a subtitle then that Leader is payed content. To see their starting positions look at the maps above.
Colorwise
Blue = latest DLC (payed content)
Pink = latest FLC (free content)
If you are a returning player from game 1, I wrote below each race from game 1 the major changes that have happened.

High Elves (Requires: WH2)

The High Elves are an insular race. Long ago, the Elves were the favourite (but not the first) creations of the Old Ones, the original gods of the Warhammer World, who also built them an idyllic island called Ulthuan. Thousands of years later, this has given their descendants a certain sense of entitlement; they look out only for themselves, and yet, because they also consider themselves the rightful rulers of the world, they stick their noses into everyone else's business anyway.
On the campaign map they have line of sight on their trade partners. They have an unique resource called influence, this resource gives the high elves their greatest strength - being able to manipulate other factions opinions. This manipulation can be used for example to either boost factions into alliances or divide alliances.
In battle the high elves have a boost on their melee defense as long as the unit has at least 50% of health. The high elves are an elite army with plenty of unit choices, it has heavy infantry, great cavalry, chariots and magic supported by dragons and phoenixes.
The high elves have 4 starting positions and 4 LL:
New features:
- Sword of Khaine -> any elf faction that controls the altar of Khaine can take control of the sword of Khaine. This sword gives powerful bonuses to the lord that uses it however it causes penalties to your faction. As the power of the sword grows the higher the penalties your faction will take.

Dark Elves (Requires: WH2)​

The Dark Elves are the High Elves' twisted kin, separated from their brethren in a violent civil war known as the Sundering. The fire was built by the corrupting forces of Chaos taking root in Ulthuan, then ignited - literally - when a prince named Malekith was rejected and burned by the flames that he had assumed would confirm him as the Elves' new king.
He rejected the verdict of the holy flames and went to war with those who defended their integrity. He lost, was kicked out of Ulthuan.
On the campaign map dark elves have an unique resource called slaves. You earn slaves by, well, enslaving enemies. Slaves boost your income but hurt your public order.
In battle the dark elves show their sadistic nature. When a certain amount of units on the battlefield die the dark elf army gets a massive boost on their stats.
The Dark elves have 4 starting positions and 4 LL:
New features:
- Sword of Khaine -> any elf faction that controls the altar of Khaine can take control of the sword of Khaine. This sword gives powerful bonuses to the lord that uses it however it causes penalties to your faction. As the power of the sword grows the higher the penalties your faction will take.
- Kharabdyss (requires Queen&Crone DLC) -> a giant monster that specializes in taking down other monsters


Lizardmen (Requires: WH2) [Latest DLC- lord pack] [Latest FLC] [new mechanics]

The lizardmen seek to enact the Great Plan and will go to any length to complete it!
On the campaign map they have geomatic web which connects several cities around, by powering this web you gain powerful bonuses. Lizardmen will get a unique army stance: the Astromancy stance which increase your campaign view range and your defense against ambushes and against factions using the Underway.
In battle the lizardmen are a mainly infantry army supported by huge dinosaurs. Some units of the lizardmen can go on rampage, when it happens the player loses control of the unit and that unit charges the closest enemy unit. Lizardmen lords can also trade melee defense for regeneration for a few seconds, allowing these formidable units to have a second wind in battle.
The Lizardmen have 6 starting positions and 6 LL:
New features:
- Lord Kroak, a quest chain is available for all lizardmen factions to recruit this powerful legendary hero.

Skaven (Requires: WH2)​

As rats, the Skaven like to burrow. In the lore, almost all of their empire is underground, with only occasional cities popping up on the surface.
The Skaven are divided into many other clans, whose habit of infighting is the only reason they haven't taken over the world.
On the campaign skaven cities appear as ruins to other races. They also spread a corruption that hurts both skaven and their enemies. Skaven have an unique resource called food, skaven can use it to boost conquered settlements to the next tier, summon clan rats to battle but it is also essential to keep the public order.
In battle skaven use large numbers to overwhelm their opponents, because the skaven are mostly cowards your units will be faster when routing allowing them to more easily survive to fight another day. The skaven army has huge numbers of (brittle) infantry supported by powerful war machines and monstrous units.
The Skaven have 4 starting positions and 4 LL:
New Features:
Under-empire -> This mechanic allows the skaven to build "under cities" in settlements controlled by other factions. This mechanic allow skaven to "expand" their empire without directly territory. This allows for more food sources, new income sources and even prepare an army to take the city above!​

Tomb Kings (Requires: WH2 and DLC)​

Settra the imperishable said:
We do not serve! We RULE!!
Across the arid deserts of Nehekhara, vast legions of skeletal warriors rise from beneath the baking sands to slaughter those who trespass into their domain. This is the Land of the Dead, where mummified kings are cursed to rule in perpetual unlife. But it was not always thus.There was a time when the ancient kingdom of Nehekhara stood as a crown of human civilisation; a golden age when its cities shone with majestic splendour, its armies conquered entire nations and its kings ruled as gods among men. But this realm was razed millennia ago by the treacherous sorcery of the reviled Nagash: in a stroke, the living perished and the dead rose from their tombs.
Death is no barrier to glory for the Tomb Kings however.
In unlife, they will see the empire of Nehekhara restored to greatness!

Campaign wise the tomb kings don't have upkeep, instead their army is limited by their buildings and how fast they can unearth new tombs. They have an unique resource called canopic jars which allows them to awaken lords, make special units or items.
In battle the tomb kings rely on their unroutable infantry to hold the enemy in place so that their chariots and their monstrous units can have a free reign of destruction.
They have access to an unique lore - lore of nehekhara.
The tomb kings have 4 starting positions and 4 LL:
New features added:
- Bone giant ->new unit; a magical structure in the form of a giant that uses a bow with magical arrows.

Vampire Coast (requires WH2 and DLC)​

In campaign vampire coast behaves like an hybrid faction, not only can you control land provinces but your pirate LL has a special boat that works like a horde. Alongside this when you conquer a settlement with a port you can choose to create a pirate coven, this allows the defendant to keep the settlement but you receive bonuses from your pirate coven. This feature combined with the hybrid mechanic allows the vampire coast faction to plunder the world without the need for a safe haven.

In battle vampire coast armies lack good flanking units, relying on their zombies and monsters to slow down the enemy army long enough for their gunpowder units to gun down their enemies.
They have access to an unique lore of magic - lore of the deep.

Every vampire coast lord seeks to become infamous; Can you become the pirate king?
The vampire Coast race has 4 different starting positions with 4 LL.

No new features have been added since release.


Empire (Requires WH1) [Latest DLC] [new mechanics] [reworked on the last update]

The Empire is the human-faction based on the historical Holy Roman Empire. This faction offers the most traditional Total War experience. The Empire consists of robust infantry, supplemented by powerful magic,artillery and cavalry. The Empire is the jack-of-all trades faction with a good mix of units in each category and thus relying on combined arms to take down the enemy.
The empire has 3 starting position and has 4 LL:
Does this race have new mechanics in warhammer 2?
The red skill tree has been updated​
New elector count mechanic where prestige and fealty will unite or divide the empire of men​
Elector offices were removed​
New units tied to the elector counts​
Balthaser Gelt has been moved to Solland​
Can use Gotrek and Felix​

Vampire Counts (Requires WH1)

The Vampire Counts are an undead faction, this makes their armies imune to psycology attacks and they never rout. The Vampire Counts slowly corrupt enemy regions through agents and buildings. These foster undead rebellions and lower public order, weakening your rivals before you absorb them into your empire.
In battle the Vampire Counts lack ranged units but field rapid moving cavalry, terrifying monsters and powerful magic. The Vampire Counts have the ability to recruit certain units anywhere in the world and turn the enemy dead against their former brethren.
The Vampire counts have 2 starting positions in Sylvania and 1 starting position in blackstone post. VC have 5LL:
Does this race have new mechanics in warhammer 2?
The building structure was changed to make the mid-game more interesting.​
New campaign mechanic: bloodlines
New faction: Heinrich Kemmler moved to blackstone post;
Tech tree reworked: new techs added.
The red skill tree has been updated

Greenskins (Requires WH1)

The Greenskins faction is composed by 2 races: the frail but witty goblins and the strong but reckless orcs. Subscribing to a "might makes right" philosophy, the Greenskins vie for control of warbands led by a Warboss. Frequent infighting lessens the threat of Greenskins but should they be united an unstoppable WAAAGH! begins. Their army relies on high numbers supported by powerful monsters.
The Greenskins have 3 starting positions and have 4 LL:
Does this race have new mechanics in warhammer 2?
The red skill tree has been updated​

Dwarfs (Requires WH1)

The Dwarfs are a defensive minded race with strong infantry to defend their ranged and artillery units. On the flip-side, they lack cavalry. They use the range of their artillery and technology to destroy their opponents without chasing them. The Dwarfs have the ability to tunnel through mountains and surprise their enemies, or be surprised by forces lurking below. The Dwarf playstyle will favor slow-and-steady players. Their loyalty ensures that no rebellions occur and high public order means you can send your armies out to fulfill entries in the Book of Grudges.
The dwarfs have 3 starting positions and 4 LL:

Does this race have new mechanics in warhammer 2?
New faction: karak kadrim led by Ungrim the slayer king.​
New unit: giant slayers.​
New mechanic: Blacksmith - >Allows dwarfs to build items​
Can use Gotrek and Felix​

Brettonia (Requires WH1 + FLC)​

Bretonnia is the second largest nation of men after the Empire. It is a feudal society protected by hosts of knights, considered by many to be the most powerful heavy cavalry in the Old World. In theory, the Knights of Bretonnia - the flower of its military - have a code of chivalry that forms an unbreakable duty to protect its citizens. In practice, Knights are often selfish, greedy, political creatures, more interested in procuring the shiniest armour and attending tournaments than safeguarding the basic needs of the smallfolk.
In the campaign bretonnia is limited by their peasant economy, soft cap on how many peasants you can recruit of your cities without creating income penalties. This forces the bretonnian player to play slowly and make full use of their knights.
In battle bretonnia fields an army of cavalry, some of the best cavalry in the game, supported by a line of frail infantry that will hopefully buy enough time for the cavalry hit the enemy rearguard in full force.
Bretonnia has 3 starting positions and 3 LL:
Does this race have new mechanics in warhammer 2?
Tech tree reworked: it now provides more interactions with the new factions, add more buffs to the units and the economy.
Alberic now has his weapon modeled as trident
New confederation dilemas
Vows are now awarded by completing a quest.
Can use Gotrek and Felix​


Warrior of Chaos (Requires WH1 + DLC)​

The Warriors of Chaos are a horde, which means this faction doesn't have any settlements; instead their armies are their cities . This faction survives on winning battles and sacking settlements while seeking out the Artefacts of Chaos. Armies of Chaos set up encampments to recruit units and build buildings but require constant battle and pillaging to sustain their armies. Their very presence in a region foments disorder and cultist uprisings making them an insidious force of evil. They have a strong core of infantry and cavalry as well as monstrous beasts and Hellcannon artillery. Most of their army is heavily armored, making them very proficient in any prolonged engagement.
Does this race have new mechanics in warhammer 2?
The red skill tree has been updated​

Beastmen (Requires WH1 + DLC)​

The Beastmen are a horde faction which means they can't have settlements. They are made up of extremely powerful yet unarmored melee units coupled with limited ranged capabilities and new Lore of the Wild magic. Like Chaos they thrive on destruction to continue their engine of war and also spread Chaos Corruption. Similar to the WAAAGH! mechanic, the Beastmen armies can accumulate Bestial Rage which will summon Brayherds to form an unstoppable, bestial force. Beastmen armies are immune to attrition and united in their destructive cause so they do not take infighting damage from having multiple hordes in proximity to each other.
The Beastmen DLC also includes a new mini campaign called "An Eye for an Eye".
Beastmen have 3 starting positions and 3LL:
Does this race have new mechanics in warhammer 2?
The red skill tree has been updated​
Wood Elves (Requires WH1 + DLC)​

Tall, slender humanoids who live within the ancient forest of Athel Loren, the Wood Elves are a mysterious race who rarely emerge unless coming to its defence. Although sometimes appearing cruel, in reality they are a neutral power who act only to maintain the balance of their environment.
The wood elves receive their power form the Oak of Ages and as such they need to protect it and feed it with amber, an unique resource to this faction. Amber can be obtained by conquering settlements but also gaining allies. This unique resource is used to buy elite units, upgrade the WE cities and their tree. The wood elves can only build inside athel loren; outside of their forest they build small outposts.
In battle the WE roster is divided in 2 subfactions: the elves which are lightly armored but have a high damage output and the forest spirits which are heavily armored and highly resilient but have low damage output.
The WE DLC has also a playable mini campaign - The Season of Revelation.
This faction has 2 starting positions in athel loren and 2 LL:
Does this race have new mechanics in warhammer 2?
- Sword of Khaine -> any elf faction that controls the altar of Khaine can take control of the sword of Khaine. This sword gives powerful bonuses to the lord that uses it however it causes penalties to your faction. As the power of the sword grows the higher the penalties your faction will take.
- The red skill tree has been updated

Norsca (Requires WH1 + DLC)​
wulfrik said:
“This harsh land breeds the savage; and we revel in it. The old world calls. Ripe for our taking. We fought monsters… we became them.”
In the campaign norsca behaves as an hybrid faction between traditional empire and a horde. It can hold settlements but they lack powerful economic buildings and walls. Norsca relies instead on raiding and sacking their opponents. With special techs unlocked if you manage to conquer the capital of the major warhammer races. Alongside this offensive style of gameplay you can pledge yourself to a chaos god, getting more powerful benefits the more of the world you destroy in their name. You also have access to hunts, where you try to take down powerful monsters and prove you are the scariests monster around.
In battle norsca is all about fighting. Marauders get more powerful buffs the longer they stay in combat. Alongside this frenzied infantry norsca commands all types of monsters from small wolves to giant mammoths going through werewolves and the fimir.
Norsca has 2 starting positions and 2 LLs:

Does this race have new mechanics in warhammer 2?
The red skill tree has been updated​
Tech tree: new techs​
New hunts​



DLC/patches released

- Blood for the blood god 2 / patch 1 (26th of October 2017)
- No DLC released / patch 2 (14th of december 2017)
- Tomb Kings / patch 3 (23rd of January 2018)
- The Queen & The Crone / patch 4 (31st of May 2018)
- No DLC released / patch 5 (21st of June 2018)
- The curse of the vampire coast / patch 6 (8th of November 2018)
- No DLC released / festag update (28/01/2019)
- The prophet and the warlock / patch 7 (17/04/2019)
- No DLC released / THE AMETHYST UPDATE (16/05/2019)
- The Hunter & The Beast / Empire undivided (11/09/2019)
- TBA (lord pack) / patch ( December of 2019) -> NO FACTION rework!
- TBA (lord pack) /patch (2020)
- TBA (wh3 pre-order DLC) / Patch (2020?)




FLC plan
CA has released
  • Mortal empires - The sandbox campaign that merges both games. Read above for more detail;
  • The laboratory;
  • Tretch Craventrail (skaven LL);
  • Multiplayer map pack
  • Alith Anar (high elf LL);
  • The Widowmaker (new mechanic) - this special sword can be claimed by any elfic race. It gives powerful battle bonuses and some campaign penalties. Non elf races can steel the widowmaker from the elf race that is using it.
  • Lokhir (dark elf LL);
  • Island battles (new mechanic)- When navies meet you now can battle manually in new island battle maps. No longer will autoresolve harm your campaign.
  • Tiqtaq'to (lizardmen LL)
  • Amethyst wizard (empire hero, requires wh1)
  • Gor Rok (lizardmen LL)
  • Gotrek and Felix
Note: Bone giant is free only for those that have the tomb kings DLC.


FAQ
Q: Should I buy warhammer 1 or warhammer 2?
It depends. Both games have different races, so that is an important part of the decision. wh2 generally speaking is a superior version when compared to wh1, from QoL to improvements to wh1 races. Do note that due to the sheer scale of the merge map

Q: Which DLC are essential?
I'd go as far as saying none of the DLC are "essential". Before buying any DLC you should know that the AI has access to every DLC so you will fight against all* of the DLC content. (some units of WoC are locked on the DLC). You only need to buy the DLC IF you are going to play as that race/faction. In multiplayer you can play against or alongside any faction you don't own.

Q: I'm a big warhammer fan and i want everything! is there a complete pack?
No. The warhammer 1 has a "special" edition called dark gods which brings game 1 + norsca DLC + Warriors of chaos DLC.

It is time for TOTAL WAR!


Thank you to danicard (helped in some images), Pesky Toaster (re-used some ideas/text from his OT), Hella (great OT title suggestion) and all of resetera comunity. If i didn't feel at home here i'd never be comfortable doing this OT. thank you!

I promise i'll keep updating the OT as the DLC /patches are released!
[edit] reworked and added some stuff. I don't have good pictures for the vampire coast LL and the new lord packs (ikit, ten, Croc and hunter.

Feel free to write suggestions, errors, what you like, what you don't like, etc. I'll read every comment and hopefully improve the OT.
 
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phazedplasma

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Yooooo

Im so addicted to this game. Lifelong total war player. This one has it hooks in me like none before it though.
 

JaeCryo

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One of my favorite games of last year. Shame about the Norsca & RoR 30th Anniversary coding problems but I love this trilogy and can't wait to see what's in store for game 3.
 

Feral

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feel free to write suggestions, errors, what you like, what you don't like, etc. I'll read every comment and hopefully improve the OT.
second word in the title :p
great job on the OP! I wonder how long we can get away with the Rise of the Tomb Raider title, lol
I'd like to suggest the No Chaos Invasions + No More Waves mod(ME) for the mod section, it's the only one I use right now, though I also have a few mods disabled atm. I'd love to hear other recommendations as well, particularly the must-haves

oh, this is just a tiny nitpick, but in the banner, the purple text on dark blue background is hard to read
 
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Isee

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Oct 25, 2017
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Finally my favorite WH army will be playable. I'm glad they went the extra mile and made this one have very different mechanics (in comparison).

Great job on the OT, thx for doing it.
 

Mórríoghain

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Six hours to unlock, wait is unbearable.

I loved W1 & 2 even though I have no idea about Warhammer universe. Lifelong Total War fan but I don't know anything about the Tomb Kings. Are they like Warhammer Pharaohs?
 

Isee

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Oct 25, 2017
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Six hours to unlock, wait is unbearable.

I loved W1 & 2 even though I have no idea about Warhammer universe. Lifelong Total War fan but I don't know anything about the Tomb Kings. Are they like Warhammer Pharaohs?
Yes, but undead Pharaohs. They liberated the great Desert from a huge demonic infestation with help from the old ones (aka Desert Gods) and build a highly advanced civilization there, a beacon for mankind in a time when most human tribes were still primitiv. Their rulers were treated as living Gods, their armies nearly unstoppable and their cities were wonders made out of gold and marble. But their realm was destroyed through sorcery and treachery and is now ruled by the dead.
 

Mórríoghain

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Yes, but undead Pharaohs. They liberated the great Desert from a huge demonic infestation with help from the old ones (aka Desert Gods) and build a highly advanced civilization there, a beacon for mankind in a time when most human tribes were still primitiv. Their rulers were treated as living Gods, their armies nearly unstoppable and their cities were wonders made out of gold and marble. But their realm was destroyed through sorcery and treachery and is now ruled by the dead.
Cool, great premise.
 

Feral

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Oct 25, 2017
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Six hours to unlock, wait is unbearable.

I loved W1 & 2 even though I have no idea about Warhammer universe. Lifelong Total War fan but I don't know anything about the Tomb Kings. Are they like Warhammer Pharaohs?
yeah, Warhammer's version of Ancient Egypt, the first great human civilization in that setting. Settra and the other Tomb Kings couldn't deal with the fact that death would eventually undo all their accomplishments in life and end their reign, so they ordered their priests to preserve their bodies and bring them back from death to rule for all eternity. However, Naggash, the greatest Necromancer and secondary antagonist of the WH world, after the Chaos Gods, unleashed a cataclysmic spell that stripped their lands from all life and killed it's inhabitants, resurrecting the burried Tomb King. When they stepped out of their pyramids as undead mummies, the realized in horror that their everlasting life after death was not what they were promised, and began slaying each other, before Settra destroyed enough of them to establish order and become the first among the TK again. They raised their armies burried in giant tombs deep below the sand, and re-conquered their old realm which was now nothing but scorching desert, poisoned water and ruins, unable to support life. The TK spend every waking moment trying to reclaim their old glory, search for their stolen anicient artifacts across the whole world and take revenge on the thieves, kill any Indiana Jones-wannabes that try to break into their ruins, and going through the daily routines of their previous lives, except they are now just spirits inhabiting undead rotten bodies. They drink and lay down to sleep when they can't do either, their skeleton servants work fields that no longer exist, they are pretty much all insane and completely detached from the reality around them. Only one of them actually rules over a city with a living human population
 

Mórríoghain

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yeah, Warhammer's version of Ancient Egypt, the first great human civilization in that setting. Settra and the other Tomb Kings couldn't deal with the fact that death would eventually undo all their accomplishments in life and end their reign, so they ordered their priests to preserve their bodies and bring them back from death to rule for all eternity. However, Naggash, the greatest Necromancer and secondary antagonist of the WH world, after the Chaos Gods, unleashed a cataclysmic spell that stripped their lands from all life and killed it's inhabitants, resurrecting the burried Tomb King. When they stepped out of their pyramids as undead mummies, the realized in horror that their everlasting life after death was not what they were promised, and began slaying each other, before Settra destroyed enough of them to establish order and become the first among the TK again. They raised their armies burried in giant tombs deep below the sand, and re-conquered their old realm which was now nothing but scorching desert, poisoned water and ruins, unable to support life. The TK spend every waking moment trying to reclaim their old glory, search for their stolen anicient artifacts across the whole world and take revenge on the thieves, kill any Indiana Jones-wannabes that try to break into their ruins, and going through the daily routines of their previous lives, except they are now just spirits inhabiting undead rotten bodies. They drink and lay down to sleep when they can't do either, their skeleton servants work fields that no longer exist, they are pretty much all insane and completely detached from the reality around them. Only one of them actually rules over a city with a living human population
Thanks for the explanation.
 

Joshbob1985

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Jan 12, 2018
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Much excitement! I'm 50ish turns into a Lizardmen ME campaign which I might have to abandon to play TK. Does Arkan have any downsides to make up for being able to recruit Vampire units? Otherwise it seems like he is just TK but better.
 

UnluckyKate

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Creative Assembly on a roll these past months...

So much content are announced : this, English Lords, 3 kingdoms...
 

Isee

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Oct 25, 2017
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Much excitement! I'm 50ish turns into a Lizardmen ME campaign which I might have to abandon to play TK. Does Arkan have any downsides to make up for being able to recruit Vampire units? Otherwise it seems like he is just TK but better.
Not really, but he isn't able to use all vampire units btw.
 

Danicard

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Oct 27, 2017
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Congratulations on getting the OT done in time. It looks great!

Much excitement! I'm 50ish turns into a Lizardmen ME campaign which I might have to abandon to play TK. Does Arkan have any downsides to make up for being able to recruit Vampire units? Otherwise it seems like he is just TK but better.
Not really, but he isn't able to use all vampire units btw.
I think someone from CA said that Arkhan can only recruit a few VC units, gets diplomatic bonus with VC factions and a diplomatic penalty towards other TK factions, also he doesn't suffer public order penalties from VC corruption.
 
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karnage10

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Having a break for lunch.

Yooooo

Im so addicted to this game. Lifelong total war player. This one has it hooks in me like none before it though.
Me too. I Normally play total war for 100 or so hours. Warhammer 1 has managed to get 500h of my free time. WH2 is already at 180h. I feel like a child playing this game! who knew seeing a dinosaur eating elves would be so much fun?

also im mad tomb kings isnt a midnight release
Yeah I saw this thread and excitedly went to go check my steam library. 9 hours to unlock -_-
Not sure why I forgot since I'm pretty sure that's been the case with most of the release schedule.
Sorry for raising your hopes up. i'm not going to be online on my desktop today so i "had" to post the OT a few hours early.
Luckily for me the wait for the tomb king DLC is not that bad because i'm busy at work. I'll leave my PC on and the game should be playable when i arrive earlier.

second word in the title :p
great job on the OP! I wonder how long we can get away with the Rise of the Tomb Raider title, lol
I'd like to suggest the No Chaos Invasions + No More Waves mod(ME) for the mod section, it's the only one I use right now, though I also have a few mods disabled atm. I'd love to hear other recommendations as well, particularly the must-haves

oh, this is just a tiny nitpick, but in the banner, the purple text on dark blue background is hard to read
Crap. Why did it have to be the title?
My LCD screen has really bad "blacks" so everything looks super colorful on my end. I'll check the image in my GF laptop when i can so it isn't hard to read. My first idea for the image was to use resetera logo but a tonsillitis made me have fever and i couldn't find the time to edit it .

Aren't the Tomb Kings kind of the exact opposite of Tomb Raiders?
Yes. That is the joke. This DLC is all about defend your tombs from raiders, the opposite of the tomb raider franchise. That said if you don't play as tomb kings you can now raid tombs, like lara croft does.

Much excitement! I'm 50ish turns into a Lizardmen ME campaign which I might have to abandon to play TK. Does Arkan have any downsides to make up for being able to recruit Vampire units? Otherwise it seems like he is just TK but better.
I haven't followed this release closely so take my opinion with a grain of salt. From my understanding Arkhan has only access to low tier VC units and 1 elite VC unit. The disadvantage is probably that he seems to have the weakest campaign bonuses compared to the other 3LL.
Creative Assembly on a roll these past months...
So much content are announced : this, English Lords, 3 kingdoms...
IT seems way too much for the time allowed, that said if the games have at least the quality of total war: attila, I'll probably be there day one.
 

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bats, doggies, ghouls and hexwraiths
Crap. Why did it have to be the title?
just report the first post and state that you want a mod to fix the title, when you find the time
the banner thing is barely worth mentioning, really, just something I noticed on my screen


one more hour to go, this will be tonight's entertainment for me. I think I'll do a Khalida Vortex campaign
 
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karnage10 said:
IT seems way too much for the time allowed, that said if the games have at least the quality of total war: attila, I'll probably be there day one.
I havent played anything after Rome 2. I love Shogun 2 to death. I enjoyed Rome 2 but now I just wait for 3 kingdoms. I hope quality at launch will be there. Rome 2 was in a rough place in the first months
 

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Don't really know anything about the tabletop but what races are still left to be added?
 

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I think Total War:Warhammer 3 will concentrate on Chaos and rework all of it (+ add different play-styles for the 4 mayor chaos factions) and not just add demons. But I may be wrong.

anyway. 10 minutes to go.
 

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I don’t think I’ve ever been so pumped for DLC. It just looks so fuckin COOL

It’s a great time to be a Total War Fan for sure.
 

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Worth mentionning, at the current time the DLC should be available, however Steam has some issues with their patching servers or whatever so Valve cannot activate the game. Should be resolved "soon", in Valve time.

Edit: Now fixed.
 
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Fantastic OT! I really like the way the faction/lord info is laid out.

Now the waaagh can continue once again.
 

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Just got WH2 a few days ago and I'm hooked on it. Best Total War game in a while, been playing the games since the first Medieval Total War. The Warhammer universe and Total War is a perfect marriage, it's just what the franchise needed to stay fresh, it was definitely getting a little stale.

Not sure if I like the vortex campaign stuff, though. I have WH1 so I'm thinking about restarting and doing a mortal empire campaign. Battles are a bit too quick imo, but I'm just an old school player who misses the longer drawn out battles.
 

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Congratulations for the OT, it's really good!

Any know if the updates improved the game perfomance since the launch? My PC doesn't run Warhammer 2 very well (sub 30fps) even if the first one runs perfectly fine (50-60 fps) with the same configuration, so I wanted to update my computer soon, but with the current RAM and GPU prices...
 

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Congratulations for the OT, it's really good!

Any know if the updates improved the game perfomance since the launch? My PC doesn't run Warhammer 2 very well (sub 30fps) even if the first one runs perfectly fine (50-60 fps) with the same configuration, so I wanted to update my computer soon, but with the current RAM and GPU prices...
Don't think they did much if anything in terms of performance, but graphics drivers have probably improved a fair bit. Still might be slower than the first game though. There might be some tricks(ini editing or mods maybe) to make it run faster but never looked into it.
 
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I think Total War:Warhammer 3 will concentrate on Chaos and rework all of it (+ add different play-styles for the 4 mayor chaos factions) and not just add demons. But I may be wrong.

anyway. 10 minutes to go.
Since Chaos is the only mayor thing thats left it would make sense to make a third game with 4 different Chaos armies. I for my part hope they make an End Times campaign with all the shenanigans that it entails.
 

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I can't decide if I should start the Tomb King campaign on the Vortex or Mortal Empires map.
The Vortex has the books a Nagash but Mortal Empires has way more interesting factions and unique lords.
 

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Since Chaos is the only mayor thing thats left it would make sense to make a third game with 4 different Chaos armies. I for my part hope they make an End Times campaign with all the shenanigans that it entails.
Ogres, Chaos Dwarves, and Kislev are pretty sure to get in. There's a distinct possibility of Dogs of War, and I suspect that Cathay will also show up.
 

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and I suspect that Cathay will also show up.
Cathay and Nippon are side notes in the Warhammer universe. I don't think they ever got any miniatures for any game system (could be wrong about that, though)
I can't decide if I should start the Tomb King campaign on the Vortex or Mortal Empires map.
The Vortex has the books a Nagash but Mortal Empires has way more interesting factions and unique lords.
I'm going with the Vortex campaign, just for the story
 

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Cathay and Nippon are side notes in the Warhammer universe. I don't think they ever got any miniatures for any game system (could be wrong about that, though)
Right now, the Total War games are far and away the most successful licensees, so CA has full reign over what they can put into the Warhammer games. The Norsca were never a faction on the tabletop but they got in. And I expect the Amazons to get in as Warhammer 2 DLC. Cathay is more of a stretch, but I don't think that's it's that remote a possibility. Nippon is less likely because CA would have to release Cathay first.
 

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Right now, the Total War games are far and away the most successful licensees, so CA has full reign over what they can put into the Warhammer games. The Norsca were never a faction on the tabletop but they got in. And I expect the Amazons to get in as Warhammer 2 DLC. Cathay is more of a stretch, but I don't think that's it's that remote a possibility. Nippon is less likely because CA would have to release Cathay first.
but they used a number of existing models for the Norsca, only some of the infantry units and the mammoths were really new. Cathay could be something worth considering when they really run out of factions by game 3 and want to do more DLCs, but there's practically no background for them aside from some bits and pieces of lore scattered across the army books and novels, they'd basically have to start from scratch with them - all new army, new models and new faction identity

with Araby, they have the Warmaster miniatures as a basis, and it's smack deep in the middle of the other factions, wheras Cathay never got involved into any of it afaik - we only know about the mercanaries that traveled to the far East lands of the WH world

the problem with Kislev, the Amazons and Middenheim is that they each only have a handful of unique units. Of those three, Kislev offers the most variety, but it's they're still half Empire reskin with Tzars and bear cavalry. It would be difficult to make them into an faction equal to the DoC or Ogres, army-wise, though they would certainly fit into a Dark Lands campaign map, so I wouldn't rule them out completely either. The Amazons would probably just be a unit for the Dogs of War, like in the tabletop
 

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Just got WH2 a few days ago and I'm hooked on it. Best Total War game in a while, been playing the games since the first Medieval Total War. The Warhammer universe and Total War is a perfect marriage, it's just what the franchise needed to stay fresh, it was definitely getting a little stale.

Not sure if I like the vortex campaign stuff, though. I have WH1 so I'm thinking about restarting and doing a mortal empire campaign. Battles are a bit too quick imo, but I'm just an old school player who misses the longer drawn out battles.
I'm real excited for Three Kings just to see what the historical team has learned. I can already see more characterized generals, items, and missions coming over in what little they've mentioned about Three Kings. I bet we'll see more flavorful faction differences too. I'd like to see them work other mechanics back into the game like the Pope in Medieval II. That was awesome.
 

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I can't decide if I should start the Tomb King campaign on the Vortex or Mortal Empires map.
The Vortex has the books a Nagash but Mortal Empires has way more interesting factions and unique lords.
I went with Vortex first, because it has some special mechanics and "special" battles for the books etc.


Those Khemri units are very fragile, but they are also free so whatever. Killed the Greenskins and took over their territory. Those were some cool battles.
 

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but they used a number of existing models for the Norsca, only some of the infantry units and the mammoths were really new. Cathay could be something worth considering when they really run out of factions by game 3 and want to do more DLCs, but there's practically no background for them aside from some bits and pieces of lore scattered across the army books and novels, they'd basically have to start from scratch with them - all new army, new models and new faction identity

with Araby, they have the Warmaster miniatures as a basis, and it's smack deep in the middle of the other factions, wheras Cathay never got involved into any of it afaik - we only know about the mercanaries that traveled to the far East lands of the WH world

the problem with Kislev, the Amazons and Middenheim is that they each only have a handful of unique units. Of those three, Kislev offers the most variety, but it's they're still half Empire reskin with Tzars and bear cavalry. It would be difficult to make them into an faction equal to the DoC or Ogres, army-wise, though they would certainly fit into a Dark Lands campaign map, so I wouldn't rule them out completely either. The Amazons would probably just be a unit for the Dogs of War, like in the tabletop
I honestly don't think that CA would have any problems with coming up with completely new factions. It's already all but confirmed that Kislev is in the works. Warhammer I had 3 DLC factions, and I expect II and III to have the same number each. CA is going to have to come up with some non-tabletop factions already; the only real question is how much they want to expand the map.
 

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Warsphynx rank 9 on turn 8, pretty much carried the entire army(including Settra) on his back so far. I tried Khalida start but Sepulchral stalkers are kinda garbage, Necroknights are good but not Hierotitan/Necrosphynx good so even with her better army bonuses(poison on everything) she was getting her ass kicked. Granted it was against Lizardmen. Arkhan at least has a Scorpion. The low tier chariots seem weird, they have absolute trash stats which is kinda expected but they have high mobility and can hit rear charge for the bonus then get out quick and chase down stuff fleeing very well. It was getting a lot of kills every fight even though it felt completely worthless. I'm not sure if another unit of skeleton warrior is better or not.

Also books starting in random position seems a bit weird. It seems like it's worth just rerolling until you get the +1 army book relatively close, because if it's in Ulthuan or some crap it seems like it'll make the game a lot harder for no particular reason. On my Settra game it spawned in the north near Ulthuan, I'll probably send an army up there to try to sneak it out without fighting anyone around so it's not that bad but if it had spawned in the mountains just southeast of Khemri it would have been a lot easier(and if it spawned in Ulthuan itself at the tower of Hoeth it would have been stupid to get). It seems to be the most potent book by a fair amount too since it gives +1army and +5units to tomb guards(both types) and +5 chariots(whatever).

Edit: Also saw a post on reddit that says they changed the upkeep penalties a bit. Old ones were -10%upkeep on easy/normal, 0% on hard, 30% on very hard/legendary. New ones are -10% on easy, 0% on normal to very hard, 10% on legendary. That's separate from the upkeep penalty of 7%/15% for having multiple armies that is still there on higher difficulties.
 
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the TK presentation is amazing. I just spend some minutes reading through the tech tree descriptions, I can already tell I'm gonna love them
the book victory goal sounds like a really cool idea. The normal Vortex campaign is a bit of a mess, tbh, I think I'm going to prefer the quest battle approach

I experienced some heavy performance issues just from the lord selection videos that carried over to the intro and the campaign map, restarting now. I hope it's just weird, temporary bug
Edit: Also saw a post on reddit that says they changed the upkeep penalties a bit. Old ones were -10%upkeep on easy/normal, 0% on hard, 30% on very hard/legendary. New ones are -10% on easy, 0% on normal to very hard, 10% on legendary. That's separate from the upkeep penalty of 7%/15% for having multiple armies that is still there on higher difficulties.
huh, I had no idea that even the basic unit upkeep cost increases with difficulty level
I honestly don't think that CA would have any problems with coming up with completely new factions. It's already all but confirmed that Kislev is in the works. Warhammer I had 3 DLC factions, and I expect II and III to have the same number each. CA is going to have to come up with some non-tabletop factions already; the only real question is how much they want to expand the map.
I'm starting to think that game 2 will have less fully-fledged DLC factions, even if we're not counting Brets and Norsca. I'd like to be wrong about this, however
 

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yeah, Warhammer's version of Ancient Egypt, the first great human civilization in that setting. Settra and the other Tomb Kings couldn't deal with the fact that death would eventually undo all their accomplishments in life and end their reign, so they ordered their priests to preserve their bodies and bring them back from death to rule for all eternity. However, Naggash, the greatest Necromancer and secondary antagonist of the WH world, after the Chaos Gods, unleashed a cataclysmic spell that stripped their lands from all life and killed it's inhabitants, resurrecting the burried Tomb King. When they stepped out of their pyramids as undead mummies, the realized in horror that their everlasting life after death was not what they were promised, and began slaying each other, before Settra destroyed enough of them to establish order and become the first among the TK again. They raised their armies burried in giant tombs deep below the sand, and re-conquered their old realm which was now nothing but scorching desert, poisoned water and ruins, unable to support life. The TK spend every waking moment trying to reclaim their old glory, search for their stolen anicient artifacts across the whole world and take revenge on the thieves, kill any Indiana Jones-wannabes that try to break into their ruins, and going through the daily routines of their previous lives, except they are now just spirits inhabiting undead rotten bodies. They drink and lay down to sleep when they can't do either, their skeleton servants work fields that no longer exist, they are pretty much all insane and completely detached from the reality around them. Only one of them actually rules over a city with a living human population
i forgot, but which one rules over a living population? are they slaves? its been a while.

will get to the game when i get home. will most likely work from home tomorrow and play all day; but its gonna be tough coz of digimon hm.
 

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damn, this battle happened on turn 5 on VH/VH. Turn fucking 5! There's literally nothing I could have done to prepare myself better for this
the health regen kept me afloat until the summoned Ushabti arrived to save the day. The skeletons are surprisingly tanky. Khalida's active poison ability is beastly. Poison archers are the best. RIP Stalkers

the performance issues are gone now. Something's wrong with the lord selection screen in the menu
i forgot, but which one rules over a living population? are they slaves? its been a while.

will get to the game when i get home. will most likely work from home tomorrow and play all day; but its gonna be tough coz of digimon hm.
I didn't remember, since it was only mentioned on the side in one of the army books, but I found this:
http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Numas
Sometime afterwards, a nomadic tribe called the Scythans came upon the city and saw Prince Tutankhanut of Numas as a manifestation of their God. In reverence, the nomads pledged themselves to the Prince, tending to the crops which feed their people and in return, Prince Tutankhanut now rules over a living city which he guards ferociously. Such is their devotion to Tutankhanut that they often fight in his service and should one of their numbers die, their body would be ritually picked over by vultures and their bones taken to the necropolis so that they may serve their God for all eternity.
e: the chariot units seem really good against light and medium infantry. One charge took out a third of the health of a darkshards unit
gold is hard to come by as the TK in the early game
 
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