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Trevor Noah has tone deaf response to backlash over his India-Pakistan comments [update: apologized]
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Fair enough. But from what I've read in this thread, the majority consensus from anyone self described as Indian is not of offense. That was my point. Not that no one that is Indian is offended. Most seemed to not be.
Either way, I see no harmful attempt to be racist or to egregiously stereotype with this joke.
So if he never implied that, what did he mean by saying "They're not French, they're African"?
It's usually not a great look to babble nonsense in imitation of another language as a joke these days.
It could work if there was more to the joke, but the joke was basically the Indian equivalent of a ching ching bing bong joke imitating an east asian person. Not everyone would be offended or call out the joke teller, but if people want to on social media, why not? Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think there might be more than one accent in India, "just like there are accents in every region the world", so a broad Indian joke accent being called an Apu accent is an apt description.
He's a racist cunt. Fuck him and fuck him thinking his joke made more news than the actual story of the conflict.
It will impact over one billion people. A world exists out of the US and Twitter.
Deserves a lot more heat for that pathetic "joke".
Edit - Hokahey I'm of Indian heritage and I found it very offensive. Mimicking my mother tongue with gibberish and calling a war that would impact over a billion people "entertaining".
Fuck him. It's my home region that will be impacted the most by this conflict as it was torn apart the most when the countries first split.
It will impact over one billion people. A world exists out of the US and Twitter.
Deserves a lot more heat for that pathetic "joke".
Edit - Hokahey I'm of Indian heritage and I found it very offensive. Mimicking my mother tongue with gibberish and calling a war that would impact over a billion people "entertaining".
Fuck him. It's my home region that will be impacted the most by this conflict as it was torn apart the most when the countries first split.
I don't know that I realized either of the points you are making. Assuming you are correct, then he made what should have been a non offensive joke in to something potentially worthy of offense.
I missed the gibberish part. That's entirely your right to be offended and not for me to have any say so in. Period.
I don't take issue with joking about war however. I can certainly understand why it would be bothersome for you, but I'm of the mind that no subject is off limits if you get the joke right, which I now see that he clearly did not. At least not in execution.
Thank you for being understanding.
Moreso than the joke about war, I'm angry at the fact he feels his joke is a bigger talking point. There's a lot to mock about the current ongoings in the subcontinent- mock Modhi or the state of the Indian media. His joke was awful and he resorted to casual racism and stereotyping.
Personally, it's my home region in North India which would suffer most should war break out. It won't happen, but hearing someone joke about it being entertaining is gross to me.
When someone takes the time to explain something sincerely, and it's clear I'm wrong or missed something, I do my best to reconsider my opinion. So thank you for explaining.
I don't find racist or stereotype jokes funny. Especially when it's mocking an accent.
It's really weird to me. Actual racist assholes make those kind of jokes all the time and somehow it's cool cause "comedy"? What a thin line.
It's really weird to me. Actual racist assholes make those kind of jokes all the time and somehow it's cool cause "comedy"? What a thin line.
Trevor Noah is trash. After his "joke" about how all aboriginal women are ugly and his subsequent non apology, I completely wrote him off.
Not surprised he continues to be an asshole. Sad to see what the daily show has been reduced to with him as the host. Hopefully they replace him.
Not surprised he continues to be an asshole. Sad to see what the daily show has been reduced to with him as the host. Hopefully they replace him.
I dont know where you getting that "most" from. I am India and everyone I know who has seen this finds it absolutely insulting.
I thought that was far worse than this tbh. Did he not apologize for it though?
Nope. He said as a comedian he won't apologize for any "jokes" he makes. He just won't tell it again.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/trevor-noah-wont-apologize-aboriginal-women-joke-1130402
I don't think he's apologized for anything. Dude just doubles down. He needs to check his privilege at the door.
I totally forgot about this shit. If the comments you make are indistinguishable from the comments bigots and asshats make, then what exactly is it that you're trying to achieve?
No one gave a single fuck when Stephen Colbert made a joke about North Korea and eating dogs. If he made a racial joke and general public gave it a pass, then pretty much it's a calling card for every comedian talk show hosts to do the similar thing. Someone should hold these guys accountable otherwise this shit will be an ongoing shtick for them.
His greatest offense isn't even this lams joke, it's that he is terribly unfunny. How dare he sit where Stewart sat, who was amazingly nuisanced when discussing other cultures and parts of the world.
You didn't understand what the Embassador was saying. Trevor did, but also doubled down instead od apologizing.
A win by the French team is not a victory for Africa. It's a victory for France and it's French players who happen to be black. It's not as common in Europe as it is in the USA to co-opt ethnicial origins to connect to a culture you didn't live in. I am looking at the bunch of odd Americans that pretend to be Scottish or Irish, despite only having a connection to the countries through blood (often distant).
If the individual players feel connected to the countries of their parents, that's cool. But maybe they're not. Maybe, as many were born and grew up in France view themselves as French. And I think at least two even said so.
But Traver didn't ask, Trevor didn't care.
I am German. You wouldn't think so looking at me, because my parents are not German. But I was born here, raised here, educated here and work here. I don't feel anything, but German. I have no connection to the culture of the home country of my parents. Calling me a "Vietnamese-German" would offending me, because you choose to highlight me being "other". Not a full German, but some kind of hybrid of cultures - which is not accurate since I only have German culture.
And it is different for everyone. But point being: the respectful thing would be asking the players and not just running through with it, ignoring their feelings and opinion on their identity.
Having seen the video, it is cringe-inducing when he does the whole gibberish Hindi thing. As far as the joke goes, it's certainly tired. Lord knows how many times someone's made fun of Bollywood with the whole "lmao, song breaks" and "lmao, its long." Personally, I don't find it offensive, but I do find it lazy. I can also see why other people find it offensive. If you're Indian-American, you spend a lot of time dealing with how "other" you are. People find the food you eat weird in elementary school, no one who isn't from that region of Asia can say your name properly so you spend a lot of time developing "white-friendly" alternatives like "AJ" or "Nick", people make fun of you for liking Bollywood songs and so on. At some point, you just get angry at the jokes predicated on how "other" you are and how weird and wacky you are.
It's just kinda annoying for someone to make a joke about how weird and wacky those Indians are when 1) Indian cinema is diversifying and changing as we speak and 2) you're drawing from the same well of linguistic jokes that once contained making fun of how Chinese and Japanese sounds. My guess is that, if another comic made the same joke but about the Xhosa language, Trevor might feel a bit different.
It's just kinda annoying for someone to make a joke about how weird and wacky those Indians are when 1) Indian cinema is diversifying and changing as we speak and 2) you're drawing from the same well of linguistic jokes that once contained making fun of how Chinese and Japanese sounds. My guess is that, if another comic made the same joke but about the Xhosa language, Trevor might feel a bit different.
You really have to go back to the 11th century and Harold Godwinson inheriting the English throne from Edward the Confessor to find a fair comparison of a major prize being handed over to absolute sub-mediocrity when John Stewart handed over to Noah.
Hopefully his figurative Battle of Hastings is soon forthcoming.
Hopefully his figurative Battle of Hastings is soon forthcoming.
I've noticed Trevor likes to imitate accents a lot, sometimes they land and sometimes not. I've definitely wondered if some groups were more sensitive to it than others though because it's a type of joke that is slowly falling out of favor but nobody seemed to care when it's his French, UK, African or American voices.
I don't remember him saying that. It was the French ambassador who said the other way around. All Trevor did was say "I think Africa did win." and show a picture of the French team.
I understand completely what he's saying but it's not relevant here.
In my last post, I explained that "African" is not a nationality, at least not traditionally. It's actually an extremely broad and confusing category. If I say "I'm African." I'm not necessarily saying that I'm black, but I could be if I am of African descent. I could be a white dude and be from Africa, and say that I'm African, and I'd be correct as well. There's difference between the two is that one is a place of origin and the other is ancestry.
What I'm saying here is that Trevor used "Africa won" to refer to blackness. How do I know this? In his follow up (you can see his in-between the scenes videos) he replies to the ambassador he literally says he's referring to "African" as "African descent." Everyone was right in their arguments, but it was a misunderstanding at the end. Mostly on the ambassador's side.
While I understand people being angry at this joke. What I don't understand is why people are praising Jon Stewart in the same light that they're shitting on Trevor Noah for this. Jon Stewart did caricatural impressions of black people and got criticisms for it. When he got criticisms, his responses were as dull as Trevor's. Actually, he verbally attacked a black staff member at the Daily Show for calling him out for it. It makes me think that people have other biases against Trevor other than his poor jokes.
Edit: Remember that Jon Stewart told Wyatt Cenac to "fuck off" when he called Jon out for racial insensitivity on an impersonation.
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Absolutely shocked to hear that the guy that thought "them Aboriginal women sure are ugly, hey?" was a good joke to tell while touring Australia might have issues with racial sensitivity.
Because we're used to shitty jokes at our expense doesn't make them okay.
Also to an earlier point you made, Apu's accent isn't a real or an accurate Indian or South Asian accent. Do you think Mickey Rooney was also doing an accurate representation of a Chinese person in Breakfast At Tiffany's?
This I don't get either.
You should be able to do it, just not they way he did it with stupid stereotypes.
But he should be able to make fun about it in a comedy news show, because that's the point of it, talk about the relevant news with a comedic spin. Just not that way
Nah, 2013 when Sir Alex nominated David Moyes as his successor to manage Man United, is a more apt and contemporary example.
To be honest I think he could have easily gotten away with it without even apologising by saying something like 'I made this joke from an American point of view, I now know it can be perceived offensively from a French point of view but that wasn't my intention' and leaving it at that. But instead he had to mock the ambassador and act like a self righteous douche in his reply.
Pakistani origin. Not offended but ass joke and unfunny. Like who laughs at this shit, is his audience 12 year old's ? Daily show has really gone down the drain.
So when the US win the basketball world championship, I hope Noah make a "joke" on how Africa wins not the US. Or when Usain Bolt wins, maybe this dumbass will claim the record for Africa instead of Jamaica.
The french players themselves said they want to be seen as representing France not Africa but they must misunderstand as well... you and that "comedian" are parroting the argument of the European far right "They are black so they can't be real French who are whites, they're African! ".
He has no idea of the difference between making people laugh during a bad moment and making fun of a bad moment. You can be respectful and still crack a joke. Normally in a bittersweet sense. He simply isn't capable of doing that and shouldn't so a comedy news show because of it. John Stewart was the master of it.
Well, the context of the situation you've created doesn't make any sense... That's a false equivalency.
And no, being that Trevor specifically says that he understood where the ambassador was coming from because the Alt-Right was using their African ancestry to deny them being French citizens. He goes into detail on this. And that's a bit of a strawman on your part, when I clearly explained why there's a misunderstanding.
Lmao. Will you guys please stop saying this after Jon Stewart did racist caricature impersonations of black people and told a black co-staff member to "fuck off" when he told him it was insensitive? Like hate Trevor all you want, but this isn't a consistent narrative.
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