- Oct 27, 2017
Well, yeah. He is right. Iran has responsibility but when it comes down to it those people would fucking be alive if it wasn't for trump's shit.
lolHonestly, the real problem is Iran not having more sophisticated anti air defenses, that's the real culprit here. Canada should help Iran built better automated systems that don't shoot down commercial planes, that's how they improve the security of Canadian citizens
The man has met with each of the families of the victims, and has been seen crying with them. I can't imagine how hard that must be, to sit and listen to raw emotion like that. He's pissed but has to do this properly by the books, to try to get justice for them. But still, absolutely no fucks given when openly talking about the contributing factors like this.
its good to hear out loud in publicThe man has met with each of the families of the victims, and has been seen crying with them. I can't imagine how hard that must be, to sit and listen to raw emotion like that. He's pissed but has to do this properly by the books, to try to get justice for them. But still, absolutely no fucks given when openly talking about the contributing factors like this.
Actually, you are correct. There was this one user in a thread from earlier who said that the government(or any government of another country) would never openly make a statement like Trudeau did, knowing it would only piss off Trump more.
I mean to say the USAs interestscare an extension of his interests. Hes not operating on what's best for the country, its what's best for Trump.
JT could go over there and single-handedly Rambo the entire region and it wouldn't have an ounce of impact on the right's opinion of him or his party or the left in general.
Sure it would. They'd call him a warmonger and demand his resignation. Conservatism isn't a position anymore. It's just a knee jerk contrarianism to anything liberals do.
Are you referring to people who said the responsibility lies with the Iranian army? That doesn't mean someone is necessarily a Trump defender.
Are you not just as much at fault for defending a totalitarian regieme if you generalize like this, if people don't like to live under fascism they ldefend Trump?
This is what conservatism has always been. Hence the term 'reactionary' which first popped up in the French Revolution.
The thing is, his supporters aren't even the people trying to absolve Trump. Trump supporters think it's great that Iranian terrorists are dying due to the escalations.It's pretty shocking that so many try to absolve Trump of responsibility. Like yeah it gets tiring having a thread every time he hits the toilet, but on this he literally was the aggressor. It's very clear cut and he can't be blameless even if Iran is mainly at fault
Do you see what iranians are shouting on the street today? Is this the official 343/microsoft stance?
what a ridiculous thing to ask. unless it’s about Halo then of course not. I’m not at work today and I’m entitled to opinions just like you are. I think Iran is a belligerent pariah state and one of two regional sponsors of international terrorism and is governed by a vile theocracy and military complex and I hoped the Obama nuclear deal could help lead to reforms.
A reasonable world leader who doesn't recall wearing brownface.
Just because someone thinks that Trump is partially to blame for this whole mess doesn't mean they support the leadership of a totalitarian theocracy.Are you not just as much at fault for defending a totalitarian regieme if you generalize like this, if people don't like to live under fascism they ldefend Trump?
Just today a very famous journalist/ spokesperson of an iranian news station stwpped down after 11 years, because her consciousness didn't allow herself to lie to the iranian people anymore during these heavy protest and after the cover up of the murder of civilians.
And she has to fear the wrath of a fascist leadership, mods here wouldn't even step down for fear of losing intenet dick inches, after doing a fascists regime work of censorship.
Let's see how chill you'd be if you had to console the families of the dead folks, including children and explain to them why the fuck did citizens of a country that has nothing do with this bullshit were murdered.
When you pull a gun on someone and the other person pulls a gun back and someone innocent gets shot in the chaos that ensues ... both of those parties have blame.A reasonable world leader who doesn't recall wearing brownface.
Trump is partially responsible for escalating tensions but Iran had the power to ground those flights.
What military would allow the airspace to be open after beginning the military attack and also keep the airspace open AFTER the plane was destroyed. Oh wait...they denied that even happened for a few days.
No one is minimizing anyone's responsibility by saying both parties are to blame. Both of them can be at fault, and have varying degrees of responsibility for the tragedy. I personally think Iran is more at fault here, for obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean Trump didn't contribute to loss of innocent life in some way.
When the largest military on the planet assassinates your second in command and are situated on your borders and threatening to attack 52 sites, I would say it's easy for someone along the line to make a horrible mistake out of the pressure of the situation.
the politics surrounding this hardly needed to be "shoehorned" Iran didn't just say "BWAHAHAHA let's shoot down this plane because we're EVILLLLLL"
Did I say in my post they both don't have blame? They both have partial blame as I said in my post.When you pull a gun on someone and the other person pulls a gun back and someone innocent gets shot in the chaos that ensues ... both of those parties have blame.
They escalated tensions to a ridiculous degree, it doesn't take much for a mistake to happen after that.
These systems are still run by human beings, a mistake can happen at any time, the situation being escalated to a ridiculous degree is what caused the whole mess to get to that point.Did I say in my post they both don't have blame? They both have partial blame as I said in my post.
That doesn't soften the fact Iran tried to cover up the lives of their own civilians and foreigners by saying that either A. the plane had faulty parts, B. No way we'd do that and Deny, and finally C. the plane "entered" into a zone its not supposed to after fessing up.
Iran is a modern nation with a modern military, there are protocols to be followed, otherwise there are larger questions as to their competence.
I can't believe this "mistake" is being allowed to be downgraded and called a "mistake" after significant denial of taking people's lives. The Iranian government must've known for some time what happened. There had to be a chain of command in allowing that SAM to operate, target and fire on an aircraft.