You really don't grasp how desperate the situations are that these people are inIf migrants see all these horrid policies and STILL decide to illegally cross the border, I'd be stunned.
You really don't grasp how desperate the situations are that these people are inIf migrants see all these horrid policies and STILL decide to illegally cross the border, I'd be stunned.
Just a matter of time before they propose the "final solution."
People, including people here on this forum, will still advocate for civility.
For some it is still better to be alive and be detained than die by gang or government violence.If migrants see all these horrid policies and STILL decide to illegally cross the border, I'd be stunned.
Don't you dorks ever take a day off?
Focus on the fascist, rather than the people trying to fight his fascism because your tender fee-fees are hurt by Pelosi or whoever.
It's worth the risk for a lot of these folks. It's either stay somewhere extremely dangerous, or make a dangerous trek in hopes of finding safety for your family. Most of them are claiming asylum, which is legal, and this administration doesn't give a fuck because it's full of racist fascists. They're making it harder to cross legally, so the only way to cross is illegally.
This won't be a deterrent, but they will certainly irreparably harm thousands of people so Stephen Miller can get his hog up.
How are they just allowed to freely change shit like this, unchecked?
Under the terms of the 1997 consent decree, the regulation must be approved by the judge in the original case, Judge Dolly M. Gee of United States District Court for the Central District of California. The government will have seven days to file a brief in her court seeking her approval of the regulation.
If she refuses, the administration is expected to appeal her decision in a case that could drag on for months or even years, legal experts said.
How are they just allowed to freely change shit like this, unchecked?
The concept of checks and balances is fundamentally broken as it is only applied to liberals and not conservatives. Basically the constitution is a useless piece of paper that should be destroyed.
If migrants see all these horrid policies and STILL decide to illegally cross the border, I'd be stunned.
let me guess: Biden 2020?Don't you dorks ever take a day off?
Focus on the fascist, rather than the people trying to fight his fascism because your tender fee-fees are hurt by Pelosi or whoever.
yes, the people trying to "fight his fascism" by providing border funding for the same camps and ultimately enable the system that keeps folks like him in power.
this shit didnt start with trump, and there are too many folks on "our side" more than happy to give him a hand when needed in the name of bipartianship
I mean that's this administration's end-goal yeah, but the problem is many of these people are fleeing violence and crippling poverty, so it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Staying in their place of origin in many of these cases isn't any better, if not just outright worse, even with all these policies going into place.
If migrants see all these horrid policies and STILL decide to illegally cross the border, I'd be stunned.
Then I guess Trump gets what he wants. It might be effective, but it's also disgusting and cruel.
and what will they propose when these "detention centers" become overcrowded hm
That's what conservatives are counting on, making them die in other countries instead of having to kill them theirselves. We all know making the punishments harsher isn't going to stop people from trying to have a better life
I mean this should tell you just how bad the situation already is for these migrants that indefinite detention in the US is still preferable
I mean that's this administration's end-goal yeah, but the problem is many of these people are fleeing violence and crippling poverty, so it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Staying in their place of origin in many of these cases isn't any better, if not just outright worse, even with all these policies going into place.
It also assumes that the people coming to the US are fully educated about the breadth of what can/will happen once they get to the border; I would imagine only a very small percentage of people are coming with that knowledge.
It's worth the risk for a lot of these folks. It's either stay somewhere extremely dangerous, or make a dangerous trek in hopes of finding safety for your family. Most of them are claiming asylum, which is legal, and this administration doesn't give a fuck because it's full of racist fascists. They're making it harder to cross legally, so the only way to cross is illegally.
This won't be a deterrent, but they will certainly irreparably harm thousands of people so Stephen Miller can get his hog up.
You really don't grasp how desperate the situations are that these people are in
For a lot of people, it's either this or contuining to find their loved ones' bodies left in dumpsters
For some it is still better to be alive and be detained than die by gang or government violence.
What's the long-term gameplan then? Assuming Trump wins 2020, these families will be separated and detained for at least another 4-5 years.Migrants are running away from poverty, wars, etc...
When you abandon your country, your home and part of your family is usually because you are desperate and there's no other solution. This is not going to prevent people from trying to find a way out to their misery. Some of them are already risking their lives just trying to reach the border.
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Who wouldn't want to step on the holy land, let alone be "taken care of", if we are talking about The Greatest Country In The World™?If migrants see all these horrid policies and STILL decide to illegally cross the border, I'd be stunned.
These specific policies started with Trump.yes, the people trying to "fight his fascism" by providing border funding for the same camps and ultimately enable the system that keeps folks like him in power.
this shit didnt start with trump, and there are too many folks on "our side" more than happy to give him a hand when needed in the name of bipartianship
Is this another one of Stephen Miller's work? This guy is not done scheming yet.
With literal criminals in nearly all places of the federal government now you're pushing that stupid shit?Well that is bad then, only people who break the law should be punished.
I like how, because Trump is so horrible/senile/racist/dirt-stupid, and the majority of the Republican party are horrible for their continued enabling of him, that the Democratic candidate for President has already been chosen for us. That the most we can hope for is a safe, middle-of-the-road candidate to patch the boat and get us back to the status quo for maybe eight years. That all those concerns about low turnout for Hillary, the safe not-Trump candidate, don't really matter anymore, cause people will definitely vote for Biden this time because he's the safe not-Trump candidate... What exactly is different this time, other than we'll have lived nearly 4 years under an administration of corruption, kakistocracy and cruelty?What's the long-term gameplan then? Assuming Trump wins 2020, these families will be separated and detained for at least another 4-5 years.
Hate him or love him, but Biden is probably the best shot that the Dems have at winning the 2020 election and ending this disaster in a timely manner.
Heh who gives a shit about the supreme court or the rotting of the federal administration anyway.I like how, because Trump is so horrible/senile/racist/dirt-stupid, and the majority of the Republican party are horrible for their continued enabling of him, that the Democratic candidate for President has already been chosen for us. That the most we can hope for is a safe, middle-of-the-road candidate to patch the boat and get us back to the status quo for maybe eight years. That all those concerns about low turnout for Hillary, the safe not-Trump candidate, don't really matter anymore, cause people will definitely vote for Biden this time because he's the safe not-Trump candidate... What exactly is different this time, other than we'll have lived nearly 4 years under an administration of corruption, kakistocracy and cruelty?
Because polls six months out from the first caucus are telling us Biden's ahead, riding high on name recognition, he's the only one who can win, he's the one who's going to get people fired up to vote a year and a half from now?Heh who gives a shit about the supreme court anyway or the rotting of the federal administration anyway.
If migrants see all these horrid policies and STILL decide to illegally cross the border, I'd be stunned.
If he's ahead it might not just be because the media is pushing him but that the opposition is doing a bad job arguing they're better.Because polls six months out from the first caucus are telling us he's ahead, he's the only one who can win, he's the one who's going to get people fired up to vote a year and a half from now?
I'm half thinking that people in this election would echo Roy Moore albeit in a less literal manner.
They are seeking asylum. None of these people are crossing illegally. They are being denied due process and treated cruelly intentionally.
If only we knew this would happen... oh wait.They're preventing their captives from being given protection against disease.
They're going to insure their captives can now be held indefinitely.
All the steps of the plan being put in place, and of course, after the inevitable has come to pass everyone will look back and ask "how could anyone let this happen?"
In the shorter term, the next Democratic President will do this, and Republicans will try smear them for going on an "apology tour," because America is so great it shouldn't apologize to anyone ever, because admitting mistakes is basically weakness, etc.In generations to come Americans will be asking the world to forgive them for the atrocities their ancestors allowed to happen or most likely were complicit in.
If migrants see all these horrid policies and STILL decide to illegally cross the border, I'd be stunned.
I'm just waiting for them to find the mass graves... maybe it'll be before Trump's presidency is over, maybe it'll be in 10 or 20 years... but with how little the guards and ICE have shown interest in treating these asylum seekers as real human beings, I wouldn't be surprised in the least.Just a matter of time before they propose the "final solution."