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Trump Cabinet bible study leader claims U.S is experiencing "God's wrath" in regards to coronavirus, suggests LGBTQ people are partially responsible
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I'm sure that comparison of yours, analogizing your status as a Christian with that of a member of the Black Lives Matter movement, will be a big hit around here.
I remember making a joke with a friend a while back that once shit really hits the fan with global warming, conservatives will just write it off as gods wrath and blame everything other than their ignorance and lack of action in regards to the situation. Well unfortunately that joke pretty much pertains to any disaster or crisis as we can see; for a lot of conservatives, common sense and facts take a back seat to bigotry and hatred.
The hell is wrong with you? How can you even make a Christian to BLM comparison?! Wtf
This is like medieval europe but instead of blaming jews or roma people for plagues they are blaming lgbtq people, the US keeps going into free fall
If you are actually arguing that coronavirus is a blessing from your god then your god is totally fucked up and sounds exactly like the fire and brimstone monster from the Old Testament.
Thousands of innocent people are dying, but hey at least people are telephoning their relatives and Jesus has a "come to Jesus moment" of recruitment potential.
And then there's the BLM - Christianity comparison.
SMH.
LGBTQ people are a natural occurrence, of course. We are a fundamental, natural part of reality, of humanity. We've always been here, we always will. So what this fucker is talking about is everyone being "punished" for treating us too well since we're here. He's actually claiming God, who in religion created us and put us all over the place in every time, wants us to be horrifically persecuted for... reasons? And if we're not persecuted enough, God will indiscriminately murder hundreds of thousands to millions of people. Oh, and stop caring about the environment too! For... reasons.
Besides being evil and vile, this man is batshit insane, and so are the people who listen to him. Which of course includes the Secretary of State, of Health, of Education, some Senators and House members. *sigh*
Besides being evil and vile, this man is batshit insane, and so are the people who listen to him. Which of course includes the Secretary of State, of Health, of Education, some Senators and House members. *sigh*
You can't use logic and reason to fight against willful ignorance and profiteering like this it just doesn't work.
Funny how its never their greed or adultery that God punishes. It's always the gays or pro-choicers that are the cause of God's punishment.
Beyond deflection I am seriously afraid that when we start getting to 100k+ deaths evil Evangelicals like this guy will start up good ol' fashioned lynchings.
Beyond deflection I am seriously afraid that when we start getting to 100k+ deaths evil Evangelicals like this guy will start up good ol' fashioned lynchings.
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These people just want money and power.
They're charlatans and bigots not Christians.
One reason that Trump won is they contacted all churches in the battleground states and made a database of all their congregations and contacted all of them about voting for Trump. The undecided ones anyway, not all of them voted R obviously.
My issue is that its less about 'those people' but a generic pass evangelicals give each other and how they refuse to call each other out because they see themselves as on the same team. I can break down my issue with the evangelical movement, but as someone who was raised Catholic and literally had 12 years of bible classes there's a distinct 'Jesus is magic' issue where as opposed to doing, well real work, evangelicals ride the fact they are saved and thus get holier then thou passes. Even in my theological classes I had nuanced Priest and teachers that even pushed back against some of the more homophobic/misogynistic ideas within the Catholic faith and stressed 'inner' work as opposed to judging others.
What's the solution? I dunno. Maybe a real higher education accredited theological pathway to leadership(that isn't taught by a bigoted echo chamber). But I do feel education is the key.
Two more points since you used BLM as an example.
1)BLM does a great job of intersectionality, which is why you aren't going to have your homophobic and misogynistic black power 'hotep' types anywhere near the org gay women are a huge part of the movement. They "police their scene". I remember talking to an aspiring preacher explain away prosperity gospel and multimillionaire preachers and it felt less about him having those beliefs but him having to 'defend the team'
2)Christianity doesn't corner the market in helping people, lol. The Nation of Islam does fantastic prison rehabilitation work, probably the best in the US, and their ability and focus to help people with addiction and mental issues in the black community under intentional neglect by the fee institutions we have in Americs makes them an important part of the community. (Which is why there's a love/hate with black politicians). But they still believe the white man is the devil, and there's always a push/hope of more traditional blsck muslims for them to follow a less wacky form of the faith.
You'd think at least some of the religious folk out there would start seeing connections between the state of the world and the people in charge... nah that can't be why God's angry, its the usual scapegoats! I bet gay marriage is still running traditional marriage as well!
So your issue isn't that he's laying the blame for thousands of deaths on people's "life choices" of being gay, but that he's not condemning everyone else as well? No issue with him associating the simple act of being LGBT with evil that demands divine retribution?
Religious indoctrination is one of the easiest ways to keep people in line.
And Christian nationalists will ignore science.
I was wondering how long this was gonna take. These people always use any means or excuse to attack marginalized groups. Fucking insane.
We already had presidents with nukes who thought the end times were coming soon: Reagan and Bush Jr.
Yeah,this could be true. Maybe it's just social media that made it more apparent across the globe.
That's the thing. These bible-thumpers would say that "everyone" is being punished, subtly suggesting that maybe someone, maybe even you god-fearing Christian, should callout, harm, kill, just overall punish any LGBTQ+ person you know or meet for bringing this plague down on you, your family, your elders etc. It's not to different from the "Wuhan virus" bullshit the administration uses. It's not an open endorsement of abuse of minorities, just a dogwhistle meant to enable people to abuse "those responsible".
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They're being punished for allowing LGBT rights to spread. That's why they feel compelled to take over the government.
Once America is a god fearing theocracy, the punishment will cease.
That's how they see it.
lol this is such a soccer-mom-ass post. FOH with that whole mentality.
good post, more people need to know about the dominionist fringe which makes up a really big proportion of the people of faith in congress
Same. My family are such extremist zealots, they legit believe Billy Graham was a papist apostate. How cosmically just that they ended up parenting a transgender daughter; one whom is sexually into men, at that. 🖕
Right? I keep saying the GOP is no longer a political party but a terrorist group set on harming American citizens under the cover of politics and legislation. They are not on the same playing field as a lot of Democrats like to act like they are. This is beyond having equal and fair opinions and civil political games. The fact that a person like this was able to get into a position of any influence let alone a man like Trump should say everything. Conservative ideals as they currently are should be ignored because they have zero focus other than harming the disenfranchised and protecting the rich and powerful. If you want a stable country let alone a humane one, political ideals like that need to be denied the opportunity to actually be reflected in leadership & legislation.
I think what frustrates me the most is here in Alabama (yeah yeah i know go ahead and make the jokes) i basically have no choice but to stay silent and just pretend I'm Christian or I'm fucked, as atheists here are shunted and treated like absolute garbage.
I'm in Georgia, so it's not much better here. Were my housemate and I to put up a trans pride flag outside our house, I have little doubt the wrath of our redneck neighborhood would come down on us in nothing flat. We know a lesbian couple in town whom literally had their home firebombed for hanging up a gay pride flag.
The farther I am from having left my Catholic faith, the less I understand the mentality. This idea of God is an abusive father holding a gun to his child's head and telling him that this is everyone else's fault. Who wants that?
That just legitimately makes me angry i just wish people would stop being so bigoted like this! But i have zero hope of that happening and it pains me to say that. The past few months in particular I'm considered trying to talk to my family/relatives about important issues like this but i know exactly what would happen if i did my entire family would most likely disown me and have nothing to do with me anymore, it's just getting harder and harder nowadays to keep my mouth shut when i hear hatred spouted or plain just flat out false information makes me honestly want to scream and pull my hair out.
No kidding. With the amount of gay bashing, abortion clinic terrorizing, supporting of white supremacist organizations, anti-Muslim rhetoric, terrorizing and demonization of prominent politicians who are outspoken & progressive women, PoC, non-Christian, and or LGBTQ+, mass shooting trutherism and abuse of the families of shooting victims, etc. that comes out of the religious right both from leadership and membership across country, it's amazing that as a culture we like to pretend there's some difference between them and the "radical Islam" both themselves & "concerned" liberals and centrists enjoy fearmongering about.
The funny thing is this pastor and Christians similar to him love re-contextualizing God's love as the abuse and disenfranchisement of marginalized people. "Jesus loves you & that's why he doesn't want you to be gay", "The most loving thing we can do for LGBTQ+ people is to make sure they go to heaven by taking away all avenues that they can express, legitimize & protect themselves so they have no choice but to become cis and/or straight as god intended", "Jesus loves children just like we do so of course we would be remiss to not protect them from being murdered", "Pastor X might have molested children but Jesus tells us to forgive and not to punish for their moments of weakness. Rather we should allow them the opportunity to redeem themselves", etc.
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Jesus himself could appear and speak directly to these cretins in perfect English and all they would do is be terrified that a middle eastern person is near them.
These "Christians" couldn't care less what the Bible actually says.
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This Trump cabinet member uses a Bible I have not read before. This Bible that Drollinger uses apparently gives justification for all the fucked up shit Trump and his people has done/is doing:
The only act that Jesus continually went hard into the paint for was divorce (and by extension, adultery). Yet you never, ever see these yahoos bring it up as this dire situation on the same level as whatever else they're going on about.
I think they use a version of the bible that has all of the red text removed.
Dominionists only care about power and money.
The actual religion and it's teachings are way down on their list, if at all.
Sadly the GOP has a good number of them.