I think if even one person picks up smoking or switches from vaping to smoking as a result of this policy change, it will be an immense failure as a public health policy...and I guarantee you at least one person will.
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Trump Calls For Ban On all Flavored Vapes and e-cigarettes
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US Food and Drug Administration would be putting out "some very strong recommendations" regarding the use of flavored e-cigarettes in "a couple of weeks."
I think the thought process is he wants the flavors banned so kids are less likely to use it.
I don't think that's a ban on vaping.
Where's this idea coming from that nothing has been done against cigarette companies?
Kids have smoked tobacco flavored cigarettes for decades. This won't keep kids from smoking. This isn't about keeping kids from smoking.
The ban on flavored juice will kill a large portion of the juice industry that competes by offering different flavors. The FDA regulations as initially proposed in 2016 were so onerous that they'll put most e cigarette companies out of business if enforced. This will very likely kill the parts of the vaping industry that aren't owned by big tobacco. It will also drive all of those adults who quit smoking for vaping, back to smoking. So much for harm reduction, right?
That's okay. Philip Morris and British-American Tobacco are there for you with IQOS and glo.
Banning flavors that adults also use isn't going to stop people from smoking
Kids smoke cigarettes and those taste like shit
We might as well ban alcohol if that was the reason and you crackdown on the sale to kids if its what you care about
Have to imagine they make a lot more off selling a pack of cigarettes vs a vape product. Cigarettes are dirt cheap to produce.
Smoking by kids plummeted in the 90's and 2000's, vaping has pretty much undone all that work to stop kids from smoking in less than 5 years.
Flavored cigarettes got banned for the same reason.
Also I thought that people vape because it's "healthier" than smoking? Why would just banning the flavors make them go back to smoking?
Ahh this makes more sense now.
Line the pockets of Big Tobacco.
it's gona be interesting.. so many people i know vape now
i wonder how it'll affect some of them. cause I know few who never smoked a cigarette but vape....hmm will they turn to actual cigarettes ?
Vaping is especially rampant on snapchat for me so many people be doing their juuls while in their car seat and using it as their latest snap
i wonder how it'll affect some of them. cause I know few who never smoked a cigarette but vape....hmm will they turn to actual cigarettes ?
Vaping is especially rampant on snapchat for me so many people be doing their juuls while in their car seat and using it as their latest snap
So flavours are only getting banned, not a outright vaping ban.
Why does this smell of tobacco trying to stop competition?
Why does this smell of tobacco trying to stop competition?
There are other ways to make money when vapers become smokers.
Are you seriously asking, "Why would taking the flavor out of something make people not want it anymore?"
Because people love conspiracies that there's zero evidence for and even if it were true, which, again, there is no evidence for, it has nothing to do with whether or not such moves nonetheless have merit and are worth taking all the same due to the effects of e-cigs (particularly on youth smoking rates). Even if you want to sllege some conspiracy there's no actual evidence for, that's not reason this shouldn't happen all the sane if the neruts are there. Tobacco can be evil and vile at the same time there can be other evils as well, and valid reasons steps like this should be taken all the same so it's really neither here nor there even if that were to be true because either way, either those other reasons steps themselves valid, or they aren't and that's what people should be focusing on, IMO.
I was reading an article about the proposed merger between Altria and Phillip Morris where it was mentioned that the Juul saw a sales increase of something like 780% within one year.
Altria bought a 35% stake in Juul for 12.8 billion. Merged together Altria and Phillip Morris would be worth about 200 billion more than British American.
The skyrocketing rise is because of the ease of use of the cartridge system vs maintaining a tank and a mod and buying e liquids separately. I would go so far as to categorize vaping completely separately from e cigarette use. Tanks, Mods, liquids is such a vast industry with near infinite forms of customization and personalization.
Blaming "Vaping" for dumb kids buying the easiest thing they can get and hide from gas stations or just people on the street is missing the entire problem. Blaming "flavors" for it is even dumber.
Because I have been told countless times that people switched because it isn't "as bad as cigarettes". How does this change without the flavors?
But you bring up a great point in that getting rid of flavors would be great as it would make kids less likely to start.
It had dropped by such a significant amount it was almost entirely eliminated.
Now childhood vaping is nearly worse than childhood cigarette smoking ever was.
He's probably in deep with the tobacco industry. He seems to be all for recreating life as it was in the 80's. This danger of vaping shit is a scam.
just saying it was a little hard to read, it was like a stream of consciousness sentence
I'm not sure what this is really solving tbh. Most people I know make their own juices anyway, the only thing they buy is the nicotine...
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If you remove the child friendly flavors and leave the shitty tobacco tasting ones, why would people who switched to vaping for the health benefits or to quit smoking go back to cigarettes instead of continue with vaping?
If you remove the child friendly flavors and leave the shitty tobacco tasting ones, why would people who switched to vaping for the health benefits or to quit smoking go back to cigarettes instead of continue with vaping?
Thats kinda scary now that i think about it. I trust my supplier tho
Yes. And this is how vape shops will adapt. You'll buy a "Ratio" bottle for example, with your preferred PG/VG ratio and nicotine percentage in it that is 100% off-the-shelf legal, and then another bottle with a mix of your "flavor". Put the two together and shake.
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Flavor matters a lot- and not just to teenagers. The availability of so many flavors is absolutely one of the main things that vapers think of as being 'better than cigarettes.'
And, yes- I'm sure neutering ecigs to the point of being nothing but joyless nicotine delivery devices would force teenagers (and everyone else) to adapt in one of three ways:
- black market/street solutions, as we're seeing with THC-based vape products right now, which is disproportionately impacting young people's health.
- good ole' cigarettes. Sure, they stink and cause cancer, but at least I can still purchase them legally.
- give up nicotine altogether, take up yoga and get on a vegan-based keto diet. Do nothing that isn't fantastic for my health.
I'm guessing options 1 and 2 are probably going to be the most popular.
See the above chart. Look at what flavors are most popular among adults who used ecigs to stop smoking cigarettes.
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They wouldn't, but now tell us what to do with the kids who get sick from trying to flavor their own juice because they don't know what they are doing?
Broken clock right twice a day etc. etc.
fuck these cotton candy apple pie assholes. flavored poison. let it taste like what it is
fuck these cotton candy apple pie assholes. flavored poison. let it taste like what it is
over the long-term overall vaping will become less "cool" instead of skyrocketing in use among teens as it has for the last decade
short-term yeah that is a legitimate problem that I don't have an answer to. So was how easily cigarettes used to be to get when I was a kid and smoked non-stop for over decade. I got past it and hopefully many today will as well. Doing nothing though and ignoring the problem is helping no one.
I understand that. But I don't care what is popular. If you want to quit smoking you will use what is available to you. I did. Otherwise you are just switching to an alternative nicotine delivery system and a different crutch because you like it. And honestly, the public health problem it causes by becoming cool with kids and teens will be a bigger problem than the good it is supposedly doing those that are "trying to quit" but who are really just vaping instead of actually quitting.
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Let's apply the same logic to fast food and I'm all in. No more artificial flavors, added fat, sugar, salt or seasoning. And no soda pop. We're just getting kids hooked on toxic waste food and sending them down a life long path of obesity and health problems. Fast food should just be joyless, flavorless sustenance. That way we can herd people towards healthier options.
I mean- I'm trying to be sarcastic here- but obesity is about to overtake smoking as the #1 cause of preventable death in the US, and teen obesity is most certainly on the rise, so....if it's all just about taking care of the kiddos, we probably need to be looking to take the flavor out of everything that's bad for you, not just ecigs.
You're making an "uncool" assumption. Smoking went down in popularity across ALL groups, not just kids, because of the millions killed by combustible cigarettes. Vaping is not seen that way and that will not change based on not being able to pick up custard flavored vape juice.