Like every adult I know who switched to vaping to quit smoking used a flavor that wasn't tobacco.
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Trump Calls For Ban On all Flavored Vapes and e-cigarettes
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Like every adult I know who switched to vaping to quit smoking used a flavor that wasn't tobacco.
Tobacco kills way more people yet is still sold is my point. Them still being able to sell vaping capsules is also the point...
Well obviously. But If people are switching from smoking to vaping for the "health benefits" and to quit and there was only tobacco flavored vape...wouldn't that still be a benefit and help them quit? Making vaping taste nice is starting more people (and kids) on vaping who never smoked or were addicted to nicotine. It is no longer a means to quit smoking.
I dont believe that the production of food or alcohol products is predicated on the idea that the consumer of them will become addicted to the product and continously consume it. I do believe that applies to cigarettes, vaping, chew, etc.
Yes. You can't really ban flavourings because they're standard food flavourings, and you can't ban the base mix (Propelyn Glycol and/or Vegetable Glycerine) because they're similarly in a lot of food products and readily available. That's the only two ingredients that make up eliquid. You could ban them pre-mixed with nicotine as they're currently sold, but selling two seperate bottles that pour together isn't much of an extra step. Something similar has already happened in the UK; they restricted the level of nicotine allowed in larger quantities of liquid. Now the vast majority of juice is sold as nicotine-free flavouring with a nicotine "shot" you pour into it.
It's great that you have these ideals that you think people need to stick to, but that doesn't mean they will. I've seen a number of posts on this forum in the last week where posters have mentioned friends that vape going back to cigarettes because of the recent headlines. You take flavors away, and a large chunk of users, both young and old, are going to react by either going back to cigarettes if they previously smoked, or going to the street/black market to get their flavors if they only want to vape. Given what's happened recently with black market/street THC carts and the way it's disproportionately affecting young people's health, I'm not seeing where this is improving things from a public health perspective.
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The infinitely stupid thing about banning flavors with vaping is that kids are not buying things for flavor they are buying Juuls, whose sales of their default non flavored "tobacco" cartridges eclipses the other like 3 flavors they even offer, or they are buying cheap disposable e cigarettes in gas stations that also don't have flavor.
It is missing the point entirely.
It is missing the point entirely.
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The BuzzFeed article on this indicates that they are looking for a ban on any and all flavors, including menthol:
President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that his administration plans to tackle the rise of e-cigarettes by removing all nontobacco vape flavors from the market, including menthol and mint.
President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that his administration plans to tackle the rise of e-cigarettes by removing all nontobacco vape flavors from the market, including menthol and mint.
6 people and barely a hint of a common ingredient is all it took huh. Cackling at how ridiculous this is.
Just goes to show that the Feds could legalize MJ or institute universal background checks overnight if they really wanted to.
Just goes to show that the Feds could legalize MJ or institute universal background checks overnight if they really wanted to.
You don't believe that people become addicted to sugar, salt and grease? Or that they get a 'high' from it? I guarantee you the people who put the recipes together for fast food chains are fully aware.
You think those indoor playgrounds at fast food places are there for no reason? They want kids coming through those doors, and they want them hooked on their trashy food as soon as they can get 'em hooked.
But we virtually eliminated teen and child smoking before, they started again with vaping. So option 3 will be the most common response because that is what has already happened . Smoking has becoming so socially unacceptable that people aren't going to "just go back".
Also, if people wanted to actually "quit smoking" they would just quit.
Interesting that it only takes 6 deaths for him to call for a ban, how many gun related deaths have there been?
The entire point is because the flavour is pleasing. Tobacco flavor itself is gross and it's hard replicating the right taste in a vape.
The flavors are the biggest factor in helping people quit.
I'm now 4 weeks off smoking, first week in no nicotine vaping. My flavors that have helped me are strawberry milk, french toast, apple juice. Menthol and tobacco I tried once and I'd rather smoke than vape that crap.
Uh could you please elaborate on this? What do you mean "they would just quit"?
Smoking beyond 2 days is not a physical addiction, it's all psychological, so people who keep going back, just keep going back because they don't actually want to quit.
I say this as someone who smoked for years and "wanted to quit", but always went back after 4 or 5 days. When I did quit, I just went straight cold turkey and was able to quit because I actually did want to.
Oh ok so you know nothing about human addictive behaviors. Thanks, now I know not to take you seriously at all.
Yep.
This is what people did back when they banned alcohol.
Stores would sell all the ingredients to make alcohol, and sometimes even put "warnings" on the packaging like "do not mix with water and ferment because you will get wine" lol.
Six people die from vaping and he wants it banned. We have had multiple shootings in the last few months and "nothing could have prevented this".
What a crock of shit.
There have been all these ads on the radio lately about how Juul labs is for adult smokers only and how they're doing all this shit to keep Juul in the hands of adults. I was wondering why they were advertising like this. Guess I know now.
What a crock of shit.
There have been all these ads on the radio lately about how Juul labs is for adult smokers only and how they're doing all this shit to keep Juul in the hands of adults. I was wondering why they were advertising like this. Guess I know now.
I'm not upset about banning an unsafe product. But I'm going to side eye the hell out of them doing nothing about guns
>hundreds of people die from gun violence regularly
>does nothing
>6 people died from vaping bootleg carts
>BAN ALL VAPES
Love how obvious it is that the GOP is paid off
>does nothing
>6 people died from vaping bootleg carts
>BAN ALL VAPES
Love how obvious it is that the GOP is paid off
On some level I'm not against this, but it seems very poorly thought out.
In my mind vaping should be regulated to the same degree as cigarettes because we simply don't have enough long term research on it yet and the uptick in children using these products is terrifying.
Also can people stop the whataboutism with guns, yes America's gun problem is bad and being ignored but this is also a problem.
The suggested solution is probably just some stupid bullshit that helps friends of his make money though... I wanna see research and truly effective and necessary measures taken.
In my mind vaping should be regulated to the same degree as cigarettes because we simply don't have enough long term research on it yet and the uptick in children using these products is terrifying.
Also can people stop the whataboutism with guns, yes America's gun problem is bad and being ignored but this is also a problem.
The suggested solution is probably just some stupid bullshit that helps friends of his make money though... I wanna see research and truly effective and necessary measures taken.
What I mean is, the physical desire for nicotine fades quickly, but the psychological effect doesn't. So, for example, when I quit, I made sure to get rid of as many psychological triggers as possible so that I wouldn't slide back. I refused to go around anyone who would be likely to offer me a cigarette, found ways to fill my time during my usual smoking sessions. Started drinking water while driving so that I would have something to do with my hand and mouth.
I would also think about why I was quitting whenever a craving hit me, and that helped them fade away quickly. The key to quitting has been preparing yourself and planning on it, and just some sheer willpower.
Nah, if anything this shows if the government really wanted to take action, they could, they just refuse to.
Nearly 600,000 people die in the US every year between gun, tobacco, and alcohol-related deaths, and they're all completely legal.
Vaping has killed 6 people in 2019.
No, option 3 is not what happened. Binge drinking, opioid use and obesity have all been on the rise among teens during smoking's decline.
Also- 44 million people in this country still smoke cigarettes. We need to stop pretending like it's something we successfully stamped out, or that people who've managed to migrate to an alternative delivery method for the sake of harm reduction aren't going to struggle with going back to their original habit if you take their new one away from them just because you have ideals in your head of how this should all work. Real world doesn't work that way.
- if people didn't want to be hooked on heroin, they'd just quit.
- if people didn't want to gamble their savings away, they'd just quit.
- if people didn't want type 2 diabetes, they'd have improved their diet.
I mean sure, if you just want to be an idealistic hard-ass and ignore the fact that real people have real struggles with addiction, you could say shit like this, I suppose.
And remember folks, it wasn't even until the mid 90s that a kid couldn't show up to the store with their parents' money to buy them cigarettes too.
And it was THC carts lol.
Anyone who agrees with this ban hasn't thought this shit through at all.
Bootleg carts are what's fucking people up. If you ban vaping then you're just gonna get more bootleg carts that fuck people up lol.
Vaping is such a small problem in comparison though so it's not a whataboutism, it's Trump not getting his priorities straight (for obvious reasons).
Yes kids shouldn't have access to vapes and of course they shouldn't be marketed towards children but a lot of research still needs to be done into why these people died and the harmful affects of vaping and how it compares to smoking and how it can help people quit.
Trump is picking out vaping because it's in the news right now, where is he on childhood obesity and type 2 diabetes, racism, homophobia, etc? All issues that have caused far more deaths than vaping. Where's the priorities?
This is true, but doesn't it make people vaping as a harm reduction tool a little disingenuous? I mean, wouldn't you rather have a menthol flavored nicotine hit over a menthol flavored cigarette which is already known to most likely be way more dangerous?
They set up the most legit store front and it's a huge deal no one paying attention to. I cant make threads but if someone interested in it, pm me and I'll send news article that's super in depth, topics keep coming.up about.this but most not.in the know. sorry for bad typing fingers cut ip.
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If I was trying to run a vape store I would be scared shitless after this week. The press is willfully and almost deliberately distorting the dangers of their product, meanwhile the President has bought into it.
I am curious if the "sell the flavors separately" loophole will hold up....that might actually work in favor of smaller operations rather than big conglomerates.
I am curious if the "sell the flavors separately" loophole will hold up....that might actually work in favor of smaller operations rather than big conglomerates.
I joked about that with my buddy that owns a vape shop. Told him to sell flavorless oils and have a shop across the street with flavor agents.
As an ex pack a day smoker for 15+ years, I genuinely wish you the best in quitting. I find it ludicrous though that someone who genuinely wants to quit would just continue to smoke rather than vape something that doesn't taste like candy
