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Trump defends diplomat's wife who killed teenage Briton in crash: 'It happens'
- Thread starter fluffydelusions
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I mean, did he just confess to basically running someone over? Did the President of the fucking US just do that?
What. The. Fuck.
I think his "but it, but it did" right afterwards kind of jumbles it a bit for me.
To me, it sounds like it did happen to him.
So there's a couple things going on
First, no American President is going to let a family member of an ambassador lose diplomatic immunity for something like this. It's sad but it just wouldn't happen. So Trump isn't doing anything different than any other President would in this regard.
Second, they would not be issuing public statements about it or offering to buy off the family. Like, wtf. How stupid and callous can you be?
Lastly, if this did happen, there would be a new ambassador to the UK. They wouldn't be sent back to the country where it happened! This is just insane. I'm surprised the UK hasn't made her persona non grata and kept her out of the country. I'm shocked that Johnson isn't getting pressure to do that.
First, no American President is going to let a family member of an ambassador lose diplomatic immunity for something like this. It's sad but it just wouldn't happen. So Trump isn't doing anything different than any other President would in this regard.
Second, they would not be issuing public statements about it or offering to buy off the family. Like, wtf. How stupid and callous can you be?
Lastly, if this did happen, there would be a new ambassador to the UK. They wouldn't be sent back to the country where it happened! This is just insane. I'm surprised the UK hasn't made her persona non grata and kept her out of the country. I'm shocked that Johnson isn't getting pressure to do that.
Damn, how the hell did it take the ambulance nearly an hour to reach Dunn? This whole situation is disgusting. RIP.
I can 100% believe Trump saying "hey, i got a guy in the next room, he's waiting on me right now. He's a great guy. Steve Mcnuchin. The Secretary of the Treasury. You'd think that would mean that he gets coffee, but he does more than that. He can write a check. You can cash it. Today. Anywhere in the world would take it. It's signed by the Secretary of the Treasury. That's big stuff."
Makes me wonder if he would actually sign anything or print his name like he did for our currency.
Not that I believe there would be a literal check given to pay off a family for killing their son.
People elected him to run this shit like a businessman, right? This motherfucker. Why is it so hard for him to keep quiet?
It was actually the woman who killed their son who was in the next room. The parents didn't know until they were offered to meet with her..
Diplomatic immunity is supposed to protect you from trumped up charges, not running people over in the street and then leaving the country because you're too inhumane to face the consequences of your actions.
I'm not convinced that every president would act this way.
Full diplomatic immunity is one of the most ridiculous things there is. Takes the whole rich & powerfuls being untouchable to a whole new level.
Happened this (or last) year in Germany too, some saudi prince or whatever kills a cyclist, shows his diplomat ID and is free to go.
Disgusting world.
Happened this (or last) year in Germany too, some saudi prince or whatever kills a cyclist, shows his diplomat ID and is free to go.
Disgusting world.
It wasn't the ambassador's wife; Sacaloos is the wife of a diplomat - apparently an NSA operative. So not really anyone major in diplomatic ties, just a US Goverment official working in the UK. That's the crux of this really - they're not that important, but this is starting to really burn bridges and cause issues for the actual Ambassador.
Well you don't have to be but try to find a time that the US has let a government staffer be charged for crimes overseas. It almost never happens.
Good catch! Thank you two for the heads up
Sooner Trump just keels over from natural causes the better. He must be the most finely honed example of pure arrogance and stupidity the human race has ever created.
UPDATE: She has now been charged.
Every now and then our insane world has a modicum of sense.
While I sincerely doubt anything happens to her, this was the right step to take.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/20/anne-sacoolas-charged-over-death-of-harry-dunn
that didn't take long, "no" is her response
that didn't take long, "no" is her response
There is no chance the US will extradite anyone, even such blatant criminals, to what will soon be a hopeless mutt begging for table scraps cos we had to get brexit dun.
Terrible that the family will never get justice.
Terrible that the family will never get justice.
Keep it up with more bad PR, Trump. Then your dumbass will be surprised as to why the majority of sane people have all voted against you next November.
There was fuck all chance that she would ever be extradited, and it has fuck all to do with Brexit.
Manslaughter is 100% a thing here. Don't extrapolate Trump to the rest of us, thanks.
Or just imagine living in the US, where they would be calling the family of the American an 'angel family' for having had a loved one killed in a car accident by an immigrant, even if the immigrant hasn't been found at fault yet.
They'd be put on stage at a press conference. Just like we saw last year.
Why is her lawyer actually suggesting that because it's an accident she shouldn't be punished? It's insane.
"This was an accident, and a criminal prosecution with a potential penalty of 14 years' imprisonment is simply not a proportionate response."
Because he believes it doesn't meet the standards of manslaughter? Not every traffic fatality equals manslaughter. And trying to prove that is kind of his job if he is claiming his client is innocent.
We don't disagree with you, it is insane but there are 327 million people in the US and a third of those people are downright brainwashed idiots. Please don't lump us in with those cultists.
Death through careless driving then, whatever you want to call it. She's not innocent of anything, is Harry not dead because of her actions? She should come back and face the punishment for the crime.
Nobody here disagrees that she should, but there ARE things that are just accidents, and as her lawyer it is their job to try to prove that it was one. It's literally the least shitty part of the whole thing.
If they're so sure it was just an accident, what are they hiding in America for?
Also driving on the wrong side of the road isn't an excusable accident.
What would the average death by dangerous driving/manslaughter charge carry in the States? I'd imagine 14 years would be a small sentence comparatively. Although she is white.
So he is claiming her causing the accident wasn't the result of her driving carelessly. For instance, the lawyer could blame faulty design of the road guiding people to the wrong side. Are you that surprised by lawyers trying to get their clients off as smooth as possible?
like 2-5 years. Also it is very rare to get a vehicular homicide charge in the states, usually needing clear evidence of gross/criminal negligence.
At least she'll live knowing that she killed someone. It isn't the justice that she deserves but at least it carries a life sentence.
It's a bloody standard junction you'll find anywhere across the country.