yes, we know cops can be corrupt, got any proof for this case?Cops forcing out false confessions is a conspiracy now? Not the CPDs standard operating procedure?
yes, we know cops can be corrupt, got any proof for this case?Cops forcing out false confessions is a conspiracy now? Not the CPDs standard operating procedure?
Can you link your source to that information? I haven't seen anything suggesting that the CPD did anything like that?
That the CPD ruined any chance of justice being done by trying to frame him? I knew that already
There isnt any evidence supporting this. All the CPD has is a "confession" by two immigrants that they wont release the tapes for (because it's the cops threatening them with ICE until they agreed to lie)
It's a google search away you sea lion
http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/chicago_police_false_confessions
Oh I know there is history of it before in Chicago. I am not saying that. I am just talking about this case in particular. I hadn't seen any of that reported anywhere regarding this case and the two brothers unless I missed something?
I think the cops are just mad that the one time they did something by the books there....the guy gets off because the state attorney likes to give people they know are guilty get out of jail free cards.Oh I know there is history of it before in Chicago. I am not saying that. I am just talking about this case in particular. I hadn't seen any of that reported anywhere regarding this case and the two brothers unless I missed something?
Also what does "sea lion" mean?
What is this proving for you?
What is this proving for you?
The brothers were taken to the hotel after their release, when police found out news organizations were at the men's residence, according to one investigative report.
The hotel rooms were part of an effort to avoid the media last month as detectives investigated Smollett's report that he was assaulted in January by a pair of men in downtown Chicago, the reports said.
The heavily redacted reports blacked out the names of Abimbola Osundairo and Olabinjo Osundairo, but the context makes it clear that the brothers were put up from Feb. 15 to Feb. 21 at the Chicago South Loop Hotel near the city's McCormick Place convention center. Police paid for the hotel and the security. "Assistance for food and incidentals were also provided," one report said.
Police met with the men at the hotel, stopped at restaurants to get meals for them and drove the pair and their attorney to court, taking them into the courthouse through a back entrance to avoid the media, according to the reports.
On Tuesday, Schmidt said in a statement that the two "were fully prepared to testify in any criminal proceeding" in the Smollett case.
In an interview with AP earlier this month, she said the brothers regretted their involvement.
"It started by them having a relationship with Mr. Smollett. Mr. Smollett being in a position of power over them — him being this celebrity person who could pull strings for them and help them in their career," Schmidt said.
"They were thinking, 'I'm going to help my friend. He's asking for this,'" she said.
He's going to somehow make this Obama's fault, isn't he?
Chicago - Rahm - Obama - White Sox
It all adds up.
Police had their key witness under lock and key for 7 days. witnesses that by their account also committed a crime. The witnesses walk away with no charges? Why not plea down like everybody else?
Again there's precedent for CPD doing this. It's not conspiratorial, but the legitimacy of the brothers are at this point very suspect
But what motive would they have for attacking Jussie w/ a fake hate crime hoax?Police had their key witness under lock and key for 7 days. witnesses that by their account also committed a crime. The witnesses walk away with no charges? Why not plea down like everybody else?
Again there's precedent for CPD doing this. It's not conspiratorial, but the legitimacy of the brothers are at this point very suspect
So the CPD had the brothers attack Smollet why? Furthermore, the brothers are the "attackers" as confirmed by Smollet himself.
But what motive would they have for attacking Jussie w/ a fake hate crime hoax?
It makes no sense.
Also it's been noted that if it was a hoax they didn't commit any crimes. Faking an attack isn't a crime, reporting it as a crime is.
Idk, I'm not saying that CPD faked it or forced them to fake it. I'm saying that, CPD locking up their key witnesses in a hotel for seven days deserves scrutiny.
At the time weren't they trying to hide the fact they knew/suspected it was a "hoax"? They didn't want Jussie knowing they knew, to try to catch him in lies/etc.
I just can't fathom what you are even suggesting here; their explanation makes sense.. keeping them away from the media because it effects their investigation.
You mean the same investigation that was leakier than a broken faucet?
They can't have it both ways.
Yes you can because the leaks could have come from people who weren't in charge of the investigation. They were not helpful at all to the CPD, all they did was alert Jussie to what they knew and embaress them because they conflicted with their official statements.
What purpose do you think the leaks served the CPD?I find that hard to believe considering we saw photos of the police's search of the brothers apartment early on into the investigation.
In today's atmosphere, this shit was going to leak, no matter the effort involved to prevent that sort of thing. We as a people seemingly can't help ourselves.You mean the same investigation that was leakier than a broken faucet?
They can't have it both ways.
That's where we are as a society now. 50 people fired from a hospital for looking at his medical records. Everyone wants to be a leaker.In today's atmosphere, this shit was going to leak, no matter the effort involved to prevent that sort of thing. We as a people seemingly can't help ourselves.
The leaks serve by ruining the reputation of a popular activist even though there's not a strong desire to charge and prosecute.
Ain't nothing new for him. Just him revealing his racist hand
Why? Unless we're arguing there was no hoax why would they do that? Just pursuing the case ruins him.
He was charged with numerous crimes though; they had a very strong desire to charge him.. the CPD continued to be pissed he wasn't prosecuted.The leaks serve by ruining the reputation of a popular activist even though there's not a strong stated desire to charge and prosecute.
Of course it is, Jussie claims he is innocent, which means a hate crime happened, which means the FBI gets involved. (Unless that's different in Chicago? I believe that's what they do in NY)I wonder if there is anyone who still thinks Trump isn't racist.
Trump is uniquely the last person in this country who should go into Witchhunt mode especially because I have a feeling what Smollet did isn't in the realm of federal jurisdiction.
Bannon was interviewed a few days ago (why is he still being given oxygen?) and called this. It's one if the reasons why I've never been overly concerned with Trump's ability to shift the country towards fascism, he really doesn't have the subtly to pull it off. He's a terrible loser but even a worse "winner" as he completely over plays any instance of good will he gets by thinking it's a free pass to do and say all manner of vile things that he is generally forced to keep to himself by his handlers.So, basically Trump has finally put down the dog whistle in favor of a megaphone.
Yeah about thatThe whole thing with Kim Foxx recusing herself is because she talked to his family who actually believed this actually happened and didn't want the CPD to handle it, Foxx was asked to get the FBI involved. Once we found out this was all hoax, she stepped aside.
Foxx had said she recused herself from the case last month after revealing she had contact with Smollett's representatives early on in the investigation. She declined to provide details at the time, but on Wednesday, her office quibbled over the terminology, saying Foxx did not formally recuse herself "in a legal sense."
Illinois law allows for a state's attorney to "file a petition to recuse himself or herself from a cause or proceeding for any other reason he or she deems appropriate." If the petition is granted, the law calls for the judge to appoint a special prosecutor either through the attorney general's office, another county prosecutor's office or a private attorney.
Source - https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...opped-charges-doubts-innocence-212831106.html"In this instance, Mr. Smollett forfeited his $10,000 bond. Mr. Smollett completed community service, and how he chooses to spin why he did those things — what I can tell you is that most people who come through the criminal justice system don't give up $10,000 of their hard earned money, or engage in volunteer services connected with an alleged offense, without viewing that as a way of being held accountable," she said.
The prosecutor who dropped the 16 disorderly conduct charges, Joe Magats, flat out said he believes the actor lied to the police. "I do not believe [Jussie] is innocent," he told CBS Chicago.
He added to ABC Chicago, "This was not an exoneration. To say that he was exonerated by us or anyone is not true. We believe he did what he was charged with doing."
Similar to Foxx's rationale, Magats explained that his office's resources are simply best used to combat violent crime. "I don't think that Mr. Smollett is a driver of violence or a violent individual," he said.