Get outta here with that crap.. Don't bring race here in your argument, trust me you will lose.
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Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and Escalating Battle With China
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Race? I'm just countering what you said:
as bad as these are.. there literally a 1 million ethnic population in open prison going through re-education (basically torture) RIGHT NOW IN CHINA... stop with this false-equivalency crap. Just because both are bad, doesn't mean they are bad to the same extent. Had China been as powerful or as big as USA, we would've seen much much worse than cages, war and famine supporting in Yemen
How about all the Wars in the middle east? Whats worst than death?
And they are bringing up U.S. imperialism (which exists and is bad, no arguments there) to justify it. ONE LAST TIME: CHINA IS MUCH WORSE.
Australia banned Huawei from its government funded national broadband network build out back in 2012 as well so I have my doubts about the recent ban being due to them caving to US pressure (if any).
But to get back to a previous question, how is this an indication of US being salty in being unable to build a 5G network?
To be honest, this is getting into details I don't know much about. Maybe the focus was more keeping Norwegian businesses out of China... Norwegian fish was effectively banned, getting stuck in "customs inspections" until it spoiled for example.
But in any case, the message was clear - stay in line or we hurt you economically. And again, as I understand it, 5G equipment is intimately tied to the vendor in a way that the previous generations weren't. It gives them a hold over a country's critical infrastructure that 4G/LTE did not provide.
When the accusing country (the US) largely treats its own people like shit it isn't surprising that some don't give them the benefit of the doubt.
Australia is wary of Chinese influence in their politics after a scandal a few years ago where politicians were caught taking literal bribes from the Chinese to push pro-Chinese policies. Their fear of Huawei is a lot more than just "US pressure".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari?wprov=sfti1
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Sorry if off topic, but modern Europe would win that Olympics. EU countries are responsible for genociding over 17 million people including Jews, Slavs, Roma, the disabled, and LGBT individuals. This is all about 80-90 years ago. Don't forget these imperialists also tried to colonize the entire world and are responsible for the rape/pillage/extinction of existing cultures of North and South America, Southeast Asia, Australia, and Africa. Poor Aztecs, Mayans, Africans, Aboriginals ...etc :(
For all of the colonization that Western Europe did, they are not very diverse. Mostly a bunch of white folk who suppress the minority populations. How many non-white politicians, leaders, people of power are there in the EU? How could these countries that colonized (raped) Africa for so long (see Zimbabwe) and are in such close proximity not really have any meaningful populations of minorities from Africa or anywhere else really? Suppression much?
I don't get this head in the sand position on Era regarding Huawei - this subject is not about consumer choice, this is about security. Most Western democracies have expressed variable levels of concern about Huawei, and basically none have said "they're completely fine." What is not agreed is whether actions like this are the right way to go. But please, let's stop with pretending this is purely about US protectionism and/or anti-consumerism - Samsung is a Korean company and one of (if not the) top name in the game right now and none of these concerns are being raised about them. Meanwhile, Apple has an anti-trust investigation pending against them.
Jesus... you have inadvertently made me defend Trump and I will never forgive you for this.
If people here see the word Trump or USA on something, they'll start hating on it. I understand the feeling but some take it too far (defending dictators and countries like China).
Let's say I talk shit about the someone in power in a foreign country and compare him to Winnie the Pooh and let's say that country is spying on me and decides that they don't like what I've been saying. Now suddenly when I decide to visit that country they detain me on entry, or worse they use people placed in my own home country to exert negative influences on my job/life/family. And that's over petty shit like comparing someone to a cartoon character. I don't even live in the states but I can call Trump a dumbass racist and compare him to a cartoon character on the internet or IRL without having to worry about being detained by the government when I go on trips to the states.
You can ignore it and look at evidence provided by other governments
The bribery argument posted by someone earlier is the best actually, so that's likely the root cause for Australia.
American refusal to share evidence is the best evidence that they don't actually have anything. Calling them salty because of 5G is just poking at the American ego, it's not like any of us could have evidence on motivations that deep. But trying to sabotage a rival's business when yours is falling behind is an age old strategy.
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There's no American company that produces 5G network infrastructure. The network infrastructure vendors are all European, Korean, or Chinese.
In general you don't want to openly provide information such as this because it would give insight into what techniques are used to look for such backdoors in which case Huawei could better implement backdoors such that they wouldn't be caught in such a manner, or in the case that this information is provided by external sources then it may compromise said sources. However, I think its important to note that it's not just the US that's distrustful of Huawei. Australia started limiting Huawei due to security concerns long before the US started targeting them. Netherlands intelligence agency, AIVD, also said they have evidence of backdoors. And most recently, Vietnam, who most certainly doesn't just bow to US whims, also banned Huawei over these concerns.
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I have no love for Trump whatsoever, but this is the one thing I agree with him on. China is a threat to world stability and as long as their companies are beholden to their perversely undemocratic police-state government they can't be trusted with anything that could potentially be a national security issue. It really is a shame the KMT lost the war.
The arguments in here are so confusing to me.
"China is using Huawei to spy on us."
"There's no evidence that's actually happening, and a bunch of the people who've been accusing them of it have been proven lying"
"Yeah, but China still abuses human rights, and they do it worse than the US so we shouldn't buy from any Chinese companies ever because maybe they're spying for them."
"Ok... wait, what?"
"China is using Huawei to spy on us."
"There's no evidence that's actually happening, and a bunch of the people who've been accusing them of it have been proven lying"
"Yeah, but China still abuses human rights, and they do it worse than the US so we shouldn't buy from any Chinese companies ever because maybe they're spying for them."
"Ok... wait, what?"
Honestly, I don't see the US much better these days. We're a legit threat to the world with our trigger happy military, lack of regulation in important areas, and our complete disregard for climate challenges. The US is pretty much a champion for bullies and tyrants now.
Samsung is a South Korean company, One Plus/BBK just makes devices, Huawei telecommunications and network equipment on top of devices.
Oh don't get me wrong, the US is plenty evil in its own right, but in the present day the US doesn't round up minorities into concentration camps or oppress its own citizenry. If you had to live under an evil empire which evil empire would you rather live under? It's a pick your poison type of question. Both China and the US are bad actors, but allowing China to become more powerful won't suddenly make the US a good one - it just makes it more likely that other countries will become like China. But more to the point, regardless of how you feel about the awful things the US does it doesn't change the fact that there it is exceedingly dangerous to let entities beholden to the Chinese state be in control of telecommunication infrastructure in not only the US, but any country.
Samsung in a Korean company. If One Plus is involved in telecommunication infrastructure they should be banned.