Get outta here with that crap.. Don't bring race here in your argument, trust me you will lose.How about all the Wars in the Middle East. Or is that Okay cause they were Brown?
Get outta here with that crap.. Don't bring race here in your argument, trust me you will lose.How about all the Wars in the Middle East. Or is that Okay cause they were Brown?
Race? I'm just countering what you said:Get outta here with that crap.. Don't bring race here in your argument, trust me you will lose.
And they are bringing up U.S. imperialism (which exists and is bad, no arguments there) to justify it. ONE LAST TIME: CHINA IS MUCH WORSE.
How?And they are bringing up U.S. imperialism (which exists and is bad, no arguments there) to justify it. ONE LAST TIME: CHINA IS MUCH WORSE.
Australia banned Huawei from its government funded national broadband network build out back in 2012 as well so I have my doubts about the recent ban being due to them caving to US pressure (if any).Australia is notoriously weak to US pressure and that pressure existed in 2018.
To be honest, this is getting into details I don't know much about. Maybe the focus was more keeping Norwegian businesses out of China... Norwegian fish was effectively banned, getting stuck in "customs inspections" until it spoiled for example.I don't think Norway ever stopped using Huawei equipment, or maybe I'm wrong?
Australia is wary of Chinese influence in their politics after a scandal a few years ago where politicians were caught taking literal bribes from the Chinese to push pro-Chinese policies. Their fear of Huawei is a lot more than just "US pressure".Australia is notoriously weak to US pressure and that pressure existed in 2018.
Also, since you want to do the whole Imperialism Olympics with regard to the US and China, only one country has continuously invaded several countries and murdered millions of people the last 80 years, and is also largest emitter of GHG per capita, and also has the largest prison population *total*, and is also the one with 800 military bases across the globe, and is also drone-striking non-Americans, and is also equipping its police force with military hardware and is also founded on the genocide of native americans and the enslavment and murder of Africans. And that same country has for over a decade spied on *all* users who've used the (Western) Internet without anyone facing any form of repercussion or curtailing the mass invasion of privacy that the US government and its companies are doing.
Let's say I talk shit about the someone in power in a foreign country and compare him to Winnie the Pooh and let's say that country is spying on me and decides that they don't like what I've been saying. Now suddenly when I decide to visit that country they detain me on entry, or worse they use people placed in my own home country to exert negative influences on my job/life/family. And that's over petty shit like comparing someone to a cartoon character. I don't even live in the states but I can call Trump a dumbass racist and compare him to a cartoon character on the internet or IRL without having to worry about being detained by the government when I go on trips to the states.I dont understand people tbh. Lets say you are a normal American citizen doing your normal life. why are you afraid foreign countries like china spying on you? Even if they know everything about you whats the point? what are they going to do with it? I DO UNDERSTAND you dont want your own government to spy on you because they have the authority to makes problem for you but a foreign country like china cant do shit to you. Why are you bothered? what kind of secret do you have? makes no sense to me. Can someone please explain this?
You can ignore it and look at evidence provided by other governmentsI'm conflicted on this issue. I understand the national security concerns but up to this point the evidence provided by the US government is flimsy at best.
Australia banned Huawei from its government funded national broadband network build out back in 2012 as well so I have my doubts about the recent ban being due to them caving to US pressure (if any).
But to get back to a previous question, how is this an indication of US being salty in being unable to build a 5G network?
There's no American company that produces 5G network infrastructure. The network infrastructure vendors are all European, Korean, or Chinese.The bribery argument posted by someone earlier is the best actually, so that's likely the root cause for Australia.
American refusal to share evidence is the best evidence that they don't actually have anything. Calling them salty because of 5G is just poking at the American ego, it's not like any of us could have evidence on motivations that deep. But trying to sabotage a rival's business when yours is falling behind is an age old strategy.
Sorry if off topic, but modern Europe would win that Olympics. EU countries are responsible for genociding over 17 million people including Jews, Slavs, Roma, the disabled, and LGBT individuals. This is all about 80-90 years ago. Don't forget these imperialists also tried to colonize the entire world and are responsible for the rape/pillage/extinction of existing cultures of North and South America, Southeast Asia, Australia, and Africa. Poor Aztecs, Mayans, Africans, Aboriginals ...etc :(
For all of the colonization that Western Europe did, they are not very diverse. Mostly a bunch of white folk who suppress the minority populations. How many non-white politicians, leaders, people of power are there in the EU? How could these countries that colonized (raped) Africa for so long (see Zimbabwe) and are in such close proximity not really have any meaningful populations of minorities from Africa or anywhere else really? Suppression much?
Yeah, you said it better than me.Yeah, all this spying talk is buring the lead here. 5G equipment is very complex and proprietary, and far more reliant on regular software updates and service from the vendor than previous generations. You're not buying 5G infrastructure, you're renting it. And China is simply not a reliable partner. It's a cynical, easily offended authoritarian regime that has made it perfectly clear that they will use any power you give them over you to try to force you in line.
Norway for example, spent nearly a decade on China's shit list after Liu Xiaobo was awarded the Nobel Peace Price in 2010 for non-violent struggle for human rights, with Chinese businesses being effectively banned from doing business there. One wonder how that would have worked out for them if they were beholden to Huawei.
I don't think a shred of evidence has been given by the US government regarding Huawei's spying. Which leads me to believe that, spying or not, this is all motivated by Americans being salty because they don't know how to build 5G networks.
I just bought a laptop. Avoided the Matebook. I don't trust it.Their laptops will still come in normally though right? I'm planning on getting a Matebook X Pro in August for med school because it's such a great damn laptop.
The arguments in here are so confusing to me.
"China is using Huawei to spy on us."
"There's no evidence that's actually happening, and a bunch of the people who've been accusing them of it have been proven lying"
"Yeah, but China still abuses human rights, and they do it worse than the US so we shouldn't buy from any Chinese companies ever because maybe they're spying for them."
"Ok... wait, what?"
I have no love for Trump whatsoever, but this is the one thing I agree with him on. China is a threat to world stability and as long as their companies are beholden to their perversely undemocratic police-state government they can't be trusted with anything that could potentially be a national security issue. It really is a shame the KMT lost the war.
Samsung is a South Korean company, One Plus/BBK just makes devices, Huawei telecommunications and network equipment on top of devices.So Huawei is banned but Samsung, One Plus, etc are okay? Seems odd.
Honestly, I don't see the US much better these days. We're a legit threat to the world with our trigger happy military, lack of regulation in important areas, and our complete disregard for climate challenges. The US is pretty much a champion for bullies and tyrants now.
So Huawei is banned but Samsung, One Plus, etc are okay? Seems odd.