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Trump Organisation sue Rep. Cummings to block subpoena for financial records

Cosmonaut X

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Trump's personal lawyers take the next step in the battle over the House Oversight Committee's access to Trump's business financial records...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...irman-over-subpoena-financial-records-n996991

WASHINGTON — Lawyers for President Donald Trump and the Trump Organization are suing Rep. Elijah Cummings, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, to block a subpoena for years of financial records from several Trump entities.

The lawyers filed the lawsuit Monday in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, saying the subpoena for records from Trump's accounting firm, Mazars USA, "lacks any legitimate legislative purpose, is an abuse of power, and is just another example of overreach by the president's political opponents."
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"Mr. Cohen produced to the Committee financial statements from 2011, 2012, and 2013 that raise questions about the President's representations of his financial affairs on these forms and on other disclosures, particularly relating to the President's debts," Cummings wrote in the letter. "Several of these documents appear to have been signed by your firm."

Cummings asked that Mazars produce the documents to the committee by April 3, a deadline that the accounting firm did not meet, prompting him to issue the subpoena.
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Will be interesting to see how this one develops, as I suspect that Trump's personal legal team will be fighting a number of these kind of battles soon.
 
Socivol

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LMAO! They are totally going to lose this. Michael Cohen opened that door up during AOC's questioning and now they get to walk through it. Trump's lawyers are just trying to delay the inevitable.
 
cognizant

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I kinda lost respect for Cummings when he threw Rashida Tlaib under the bus during that hearing, but I hope he smacks Trump in the face. Metaphorically speaking.
 

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With the amount of lawsuits they would have to file to "prevent" subpoenas from being fulfilled, they'd end up solidifying the case for impeachment as the only means left to get to the truth either by:

- other witnesses testifying and providing more connections (a la Cohen), or providing info that conflicts with these lawyers' statements
- somewhat of a "joint defense agreement" among the private lawyers and witness' lawyers, coordinating a full lawsuit response to each and every subpoena

Either way, as we've seen with other defendants, these types of legal responses require lots of energy and time, and where is the money for the defense going to come from? The campaign, again?
 
thefit

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It's congress that's requested the documents not Cummins personally. What a bunch of morons.
 
Burt

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Cosmonaut X said:
Will be interesting to see how this one develops, as I suspect that Trump's personal legal team will be fighting a number of these kind of battles soon.
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It's a good thing that no one with the most intimate knowledge of the Trump Organization's finances has been offered total immunity in exchange for cooperation, otherwise they might be in trouble

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Casa

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How do even the most ardent of Trump supporters and allies in Congress not think his utter desperation to conceal his financial history at all costs is shady as fuck? He so obviously has stuff that he knows would be ruinous in there and he's suing the damn government to prevent it from coming out.

How can Republicans see that and say "yep, nothing to see here?"
 

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There has to be a foreign government that can release all of Trump's records into the wild. It's very cool and legal now to do so.
 
Xaszatm

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Casa said:
How do even the most ardent of Trump supporters and allies in Congress not think his utter desperation to conceal his financial history at all costs is shady as fuck? He so obviously has stuff that he knows would be ruinous in there and he's suing the damn government to prevent it from coming out.

How can Republicans see that and say "yep, nothing to see here?"
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Tribalism. It has stopped being a part of what's best for them and all about the team. The Republican Party has become the Troll party, forgoing even basic survival for the chance to "own the libs".
 
WedgeX

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Casa said:
How do even the most ardent of Trump supporters and allies in Congress not think his utter desperation to conceal his financial history at all costs is shady as fuck? He so obviously has stuff that he knows would be ruinous in there and he's suing the damn government to prevent it from coming out.

How can Republicans see that and say "yep, nothing to see here?"
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Congressional GOP, at least, see Trump as their way to hold onto power. Anything that disrupts that power is a threat to them, regardless of how it affects the country and the US' system of government.
 
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Cosmonaut X

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Greigor the FellHand said:
What, wait.

Are they sueing Cummings or congress?
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The NBC piece says they are suing Cummings himself, though it's not entirely clear whether it's suing Cummings personally or naming him as the Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee - that is, they're suing the Committee with Cummings just named as Chairman of the body they're suing.
 
NihonTiger

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Cosmonaut X said:
The NBC piece says they are suing Cummings himself, though it's not entirely clear whether it's suing Cummings personally or naming him as the Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee - that is, they're suing the Committee with Cummings just named as Chairman of the body they're suing.
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SpaceCrystal

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Yeah, good luck with that, Trump. It'll just only make things worse for you.

Agnostic said:
There has to be a foreign government that can release all of Trump's records into the wild. It's very cool and legal now to do so.
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It's only a matter of time before everything that Trump's trying hide from the public leaks out.
 
cognizant

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Does anyone know if there's a hard rule that ex-Presidents can't flee and hide in other countries without their secret service guards in tow? I mean, Trump doesn't give a shit about laws or precedents, but I'm just wondering how easy or difficult it will be for him once he's out of the White House. If Obama wanted to say "fuck it, I'm gonna live in the UK now" could he do that or is there some obscure law forbidding him?
 
AndyD

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cognizant said:
Does anyone know if there's a hard rule that ex-Presidents can't flee and hide in other countries without their secret service guards in tow? I mean, Trump doesn't give a shit about laws or precedents, but I'm just wondering how easy or difficult it will be for him once he's out of the White House. If Obama wanted to say "fuck it, I'm gonna live in the UK now" could he do that or is there some obscure law forbidding him?
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They become regular citizens from a legal perspective. They can certainly move wherever they want.
 

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NO COLLUSION! NO OBSTRUCTION! WITCH HUNT!

Wait, wrong brainwashing bullet point.

NOTHING ILLEGAL! IF IT IS, WE GOT IT FROM RUSSIA SO IT'S FINE! UNLESS HILLARY DOES IT!

Wait, that's not it.

TRUMP WILL RELEASE THEM WHEN OBAMA RELEASES HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

There we go. Got 'em!
 
WereSalamander

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Casa said:
How do even the most ardent of Trump supporters and allies in Congress not think his utter desperation to conceal his financial history at all costs is shady as fuck? He so obviously has stuff that he knows would be ruinous in there and he's suing the damn government to prevent it from coming out.

How can Republicans see that and say "yep, nothing to see here?"
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Their brains haven't matured past the grade schooler stage where this looks like their man fighting back against his enemies. And like the other poster said, politics has been a sports game to these people for a long while.
 
KHarvey16

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"BREAKING A U.S. judge will fast-track a decision on President Trump's bid to quash a House subpoena for financial records from his accounting firm, saying he will decide the full case, not just Trump's motion for a preliminary injunction, after a hearing Tuesday."

This is an Obama appointed judge.
 

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Hollywood Duo said:
Well there hasn't even been a decision yet, and they can always go to the Supreme Court if they are willing to hear it.
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It's going to be amazing to see the Supreme Court argue that a President is above the law, until a Democrat is in power, then they will completely reverse course on any decisions they made with the stipulation, "Unless that President is a Democrat, then they are subject to the law, and we don't have to explain our reasoning for doing a 180 on legal decisions we previously made that are no longer convenient to uphold for our party."
 
KHarvey16

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It seems pretty unlikely that appeals over a case decided on the merits after 1 hearing would go anywhere.
 
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