Trump promises shutdown *today* if Senate does not approve border wall
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The current water cooler discussion: Our contract is paid in advance. Of course, if we workers run out of paid vacation we have to take unpaid time off. The money exists already in the company to pay for us and let us count this as a stopped work procedure which we could still get paid for. So, where does the money go?
Honestly, a "debt ceiling" is the dumbest way to fight increasing debt. It doesn't address the reason why budgets keep ballooning, it just pretends a magical line in the sand, which can be redrawn by the exact same people who make the debt in the first place, can make everything better.
So any white person is imbued with racism at birth?
I agree that there are signals everywhere downplaying non-white skin, however I do believe one isn't immediately corrupted by those. Perhaps confused? A kid would normally ask his/her parents "Why is X thing like that on TV?" and then it is up to the parent to teach good values to the child and how should these signals be interpreted.
IDK, I feels like it's a very generalistic statement. I'm not offended by it, but I do think it's wrong to think that everyone is racist at birth. Humans are clean at birth, it is the world and how it's made that corrupts them, the parents will play an enormous role in how a child will develop.
This is in the context of America specifically so I'm gonna suggest you all upset at the comment read about settler colonialism (the short answer is yes)
No, you aren’t born with it in your DNA, but literally from the time you emerge from the womb you’re born into a world that will constantly tell you how much better whiteness, and being white by extension, is. But keep pretending to misunderstand for your fun detail.
The slaves who joined in Nat Turner's rebellion engaged in infanticide specifically because if the children were left alive, then they (the slaves) would become these children's inheritance. Racism is more than just not saying the n-word with an r at the end
I agree with you there, no need to be aggressive.
That's Brian Schatz, he's good people. Very happy to have him in office.
He knows GOP won't have majority forever. He'd be a fool to get rid of it.
“If you don’t take that back then maybe I WILL stop caring about your rights and fighting for equality for all, that will show you!”
*subconsciously invokes privlage of being a white male that can choose to be unaffected by such things*
It is not at birth but society--starting with media and ending at the dinner table--leads people to a bias that is factually racist. It has been ingrained in white people that there are not part of the "other". Systemic racism is racism nonetheless. There's a massive gulf between violent racism and subconscious racism, but it's all part of the same umbrella.
"Why is there black entertainment television?" "Spanish sounds funny." "I heard that Chinese food is dog meat."
Tell me, have you ever heard a predominantly black neighborhood be called "the rough part of town" from completely innocuous people that would otherwise never say anything bad about another person, regardless of skin color?
You don't have to be violently racist to feel a bias against people that aren't white. It's important to recognize your own biases and do what you can to combat them. Getting defensive when someone calls one of your actions and/or thoughts racist just makes you kind of a dickwad.
But you just said you didn’t, and you questioned the validity of what I said, like there isn’t the black doll white doll test, like Jane Elliott and all her talks don’t exist, like decades and decades of research doesn’t exist. You reacted with what you thought instead of what is, and your thoughts literally put black lives in danger, so nice shot with the whole “angry minority” comment too. Any other thoughts you want to share?
They weren’t being aggressive. You seem to have a grasp on what white fragility means and yet you weere nitpicking.
I didn't mean to come off like that, my apologies if that's the case.
I think you're being too literal. Basically we're all going to have at least some subconscious racial biases, especially white people in America, because of all the influences on our developing brains. While parenting can be a major factor, it's also friends, neighbors, relatives, teachers, and all the media you consume.
I did not question your point but more like wanted to better understand it and now your twisting my words into some white suppremacist bullshit.
Holy shit can't we discuss without name callings and assumptions? Fuck, I'm on your side for Christ's sake. I'm ignorant on the matter, mostly, I have no idea who Jane Elliott is (but will read on her tonight for sure!) and I'm just willing to learn.
In absolutely no way I meant to downplay your opinion, I said I thought it was wrong and your explained it better is all.
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1076242012201017344
Trump "hates" the Mattis resignation letter, I'm told. But he "hates" the coverage of the letter even more as he doesn't like the suggestion that Mattis, as well as other senior members of the admin, exist as a check on his go it alone impulses.
It hadn't even occurred to me that the Mattis resignation letter would actually cause Trump to feel insulted and insecure, but now that I know it does, it just brightened my day a little to know it inflicted some suffering on him.
This thread is about the potential government shutdown. Get back on topic.
He's eating Ls left and right these last few weeks.
Putin, Xi, Erdogan, and the Cool Actually Authortarian Club in general are pressuring the shit out of him with leverage.
We're now seeing results from his hangers-on and handlers turning on him in the form of unindicted coconspirator designations, plea deals, further raids, new investigations, etc.
The Murderer's Row of New Dem Chairs in the House has finally sunk thru that ratty old naughahyde couch he calls a head.
He's still a malignant narcissist who MUST punch back since he's having a bad week.
https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/status/1076244107356442624
Spox tells
It was this year, aka an eternity ago in this, the worst timeline.
Frank Thorp V @frankthorp
Corker votes yes, and Flake changes his vote to a yes.
Doug Jones becomes the only Senate D YES
Frank Thorp V @frankthorp
47-47 with Pence breaking the tie. Motion to proceed to the House-passed CR (w/ $5 billion in border funding) PASSES in the Senate.
Next steps TBD.
Corker votes yes, and Flake changes his vote to a yes.
Doug Jones becomes the only Senate D YES
Frank Thorp V @frankthorp
47-47 with Pence breaking the tie. Motion to proceed to the House-passed CR (w/ $5 billion in border funding) PASSES in the Senate.
Next steps TBD.
Manu Raju @mkraju
McConnell: Senate voted to proceed “in order to maintain maximum flexibility” to cut a deal on funding at a later time. That’s why the Senate voted to take up the House-passed bill. But there is NO agreement on funding. $5B in wall funding has no chance of passage
Erica Werner @ericawerner
Flake: "There is no path forward for the House bill. The only path forward is to a bill that has an agreement between the president and both houses of Congress. And the next time we vote will be on the agreement, not another test vote."
McConnell: Senate voted to proceed “in order to maintain maximum flexibility” to cut a deal on funding at a later time. That’s why the Senate voted to take up the House-passed bill. But there is NO agreement on funding. $5B in wall funding has no chance of passage
Erica Werner @ericawerner
Flake: "There is no path forward for the House bill. The only path forward is to a bill that has an agreement between the president and both houses of Congress. And the next time we vote will be on the agreement, not another test vote."
This isn't a vote on the actual bill - the votes in favor are likely to be just to send it to a floor vote (where it will fail) in exchange for a different proposal.
Republicans are masters at doing a whole lot to accomplish nothing.
They are just doing this as a last ditch attempt to pass on the blame to dems. Doesn't matter, their 40% undying loyalist will eat it up.
House as has adjourned to the day- will not come back until Saturday.
