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Trump rejects shutdown deal Republicans negotiated with Republicans

Oct 27, 2017
3,833
The problem lies with his support base. They are all backing him up and it is insane. There are people posting how the 5.2+ Billion is nothing and a drop in the bucket considering our GDP and the Dems, yes the Dems, are refusing to play ball.
The only way he will lose is if there is a massive turnout again like in the 2018 mid-terms.
Fortunately people with a brain know you can't play ball when the rules if the game have to have the other team win. Trump is negotiating from a well or nothing approach and trying to claim dems won't negotiate.seems like classical projection once again from GOP filth.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,085
Vetoing this Bill should be immediate grounds for impeachment. I'm talking the senate convicts him on Monday afternoon immediate.
Convicts him of...what? Vetoing bills isn't against the law, it's a huge part of his job. Impeachment is when the president is officially charged with a crime, it's not a method for getting rid of someone for doing stupid, even harmful things, to the country. Unless those things are criminal acts.

Here's the thing: if there were enough people from both sides of congress who would agree to impeach him, those same people would be enough to override a veto.
 
Oct 28, 2017
5,997
I'd like to think so, but if they support Trump, they probably will let him have the land, and then pass over their teenage daughter to thank him.
No this is definitely going to sour horribly for Trump. I've been checking in right wing sources of the rabid kind and their articles about eminent domain are way more restrained than what they usually write even when comparing the way the same writer writes. The bottom line is that in every case they urge the President not to do this with as many words as possible that don't directly say it.

Everyone of them is hoping the Dems blink somehow (throws hands up in the air) even though some of them know the Republican GOP has the power to end it all by themselves whether or not they have expressed a strong distaste for that GOP.
 
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FF Seraphim
Oct 26, 2017
2,653
Tokyo
I'm terrified of the Dems folding.

I like to think that the Dems know their seats are not safe come 2020 and do not want to piss off the people who just voted against Trump's policies this past November. If they fold you can bet your ass that names will be kept of who voted with the GOP and who is up for reelection.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,673
FIN


Graham
Just met with President @realDonaldTrump and his team. It’s clear to both of us that Democrats don’t want to make a deal and will never support border wall/barriers.

They hate President Trump more than they want to fix problems — even problems THEY acknowledged to be real and serious in the past!

Democrats will do everything in their power to stop Trump in 2020.

Mr. President,

Declare a national emergency NOW.

Build a wall NOW.
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1083796405704118272
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1083797038326792192
 
Oct 27, 2017
807


Graham
Just met with President @realDonaldTrump and his team. It’s clear to both of us that Democrats don’t want to make a deal and will never support border wall/barriers.

They hate President Trump more than they want to fix problems — even problems THEY acknowledged to be real and serious in the past!

Democrats will do everything in their power to stop Trump in 2020.

Mr. President,

Declare a national emergency NOW.

Build a wall NOW.
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1083796405704118272
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1083797038326792192
Screw Lindsey Graham. If they actually gave a shit they could have funded it in the 2 years they had complete control of both chambers of congress.
 
Oct 25, 2017
6,036
Kitchener, ON
Yep. The most direct evidence yet that Fox News controls the executive branch.
It's a Fox News presidency. Predominantly Hannity and a smattering of others. Trump is simply carrying their water... likely unaware that they're pushing his buttons to serve their own devices.

The real compelling detail will be if Putin is influencing any of those heads to help further this chaos. And whether there's any correlation as there is with them and the NRA/WikiLeaks/etc.

This clearly isn't about an actual wall. Because, if it was, they would have kicked off building one long before November 2018.
 

SG-17

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,310
Convicts him of...what? Vetoing bills isn't against the law, it's a huge part of his job. Impeachment is when the president is officially charged with a crime, it's not a method for getting rid of someone for doing stupid, even harmful things, to the country. Unless those things are criminal acts.

Here's the thing: if there were enough people from both sides of congress who would agree to impeach him, those same people would be enough to override a veto.
Impeachment doesn't require a criminal offense. Not doing your job as president is more than enough reason to impeach.

Its entirely up to Congress to define what can trigger an impeachment.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,376
Trump will go the national emergency route, it will be indefinitely held up and go nowhere, but it will be tirelessly spun as Trump going to bat for the American people against the big, bad Democrats that shutdown your government AND withheld the wall.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,358
His approval is terrible and getting worse the longer this continues. His base is not enough.
We've got many months before the elections for this to wash out of their minds, and plenty of Republicans will hold their nose and vote for him over the evil socialism-bringing, baby-killing Democrat.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,062
Terana
We've got many months before the elections for this to wash out of their minds, and plenty of Republicans will hold their nose and vote for him over the evil socialism-bringing, baby-killing Democrat.
LOL, no. you don't get it. His base, Republicans alone, is literally not enough. Not anymore. The Midterms already proved that.

He will get slaughtered in 2020. The midwest had a problem with Hilary, and that won't be an issue next time around. Expect an Obama 2012 map at a minimum.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,655
We've got many months before the elections for this to wash out of their minds, and plenty of Republicans will hold their nose and vote for him over the evil socialism-bringing, baby-killing Democrat.
Both parties had incredible turnout for the midterms and democrats still vastly outnumbered republicans.
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,925
The longer it goes, the more Trump feels he has to have a "win" so yeah, I only see two potential outcomes:
A. Trump declares "national emergency" which will get shot down in courts but he can at least say he "did everything he could"
B. Republicans looking to keep their jobs post-Trump finally decide to just vote things through and override a veto
As long as Mitch keeps his head up Trump's ass, B won't happen.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,226
I wonder if Republicans are baiting Trump to call the National Emergency so they can reopen the Government without Trump and at the same time not looking as awful with their base.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
Denver
Congress has to approve his Emergancy powers lol.
Not unless courts say emergency powers don't apply here, or the emergency powers being used aren't constitutional.

I'm uncertain about what the courts will do. I think it wouldn't be that much of a legal stretch for the courts to go either way on it, especially compared to a lot of other outragous stuff this court has done. But it could be a pretty big stretch in the outright effect and consequences if they let Trump do it, which might make the courts want to block him.
 
Nov 10, 2017
6,547
Impeachment doesn't require a criminal offense. Not doing your job as president is more than enough reason to impeach.

Its entirely up to Congress to define what can trigger an impeachment.
Was going to post this. This is akin to theft by denying gov't workers back pay.
 
Jan 15, 2018
1,305
Not unless courts say emergency powers don't apply here, or the emergency powers being used aren't constitutional.

I'm uncertain about what the courts will do. I think it wouldn't be that much of a legal stretch for the courts to go either way on it, especially compared to a lot of other outragous stuff this court has done. But it could be a pretty big stretch in the outright effect and consequences if they let Trump do it, which might make the courts want to block him.
I mean ultimately it's hilarious because even if somehow he does find a legal justification to use Emergency Powers, he still has to get Congress to approve it.
 

Fiction

Fanthropologist
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
1,729
If I'm for some reason ever to introduce legislation, it would be that not only does Congress not get paid during any kind of shutdown, but their assets are frozen as well. Let them feel the terror of not knowing if you'll have gas for work or food next week
 
Oct 28, 2017
3,904
Kansas
The problem is that people in the GOP have realized that their base is shattered and Trump is the only rallying point they have. They all believe if they override him, that their base will cannibalize itself. If they had a collective spine amongst themselves, they'd override him and do what's right, and I guarantee Trump would still come out losing this fight. They just don't want to sacrifice the oval office by shutting down his wall quest.