I think if Trump gets a second term, America had better prepare for new laws that state Ex-Presidents are immune from prosecution, or, that he is the last American President before the position changed to a familial monarchy.
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Trump says he wouldn't necessarily alert the FBI if approached by foreign figures with information on his 2020 opponent
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I think if Trump gets a second term, America had better prepare for new laws that state Ex-Presidents are immune from prosecution, or, that he is the last American President before the position changed to a familial monarchy.
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Wonder if we can get more "tyrant" for watering the tree of liberty than patriot this time around
It's likely not to taunt them, it's simpler than that.
Trump is a man who has done nothing but fail upwards his entire life. He was been guilty of crimes and caught red-handed his entire life. And he's been given a pass thanks to his perceived harmlessness his entire life. Trump has known nothing, nothing, but "getting away with it" his entire life. And spineless Dems in Congress (because, no, Nancy, zingers do not equal a spine) are just the latest players in this man's life who are seeing the bullshit this man pulls, have the power to hold him to task, and are going "...eh? He's not worth it."
So if you're Trump, why not? Why the fuck not?
I just hold out hope that one day everything hits at one time and he is blindsided, but he basically has all of the control and blatantly telling the world he is going to do this come 2020.
He will go to jail if he leaves office. He is not losing that election. Again, polling means nothing when you can manipulate the final score.
He will go to jail if he leaves office. He is not losing that election. Again, polling means nothing when you can manipulate the final score.
Impeachment by the House will not remove the president. What step(s) do you see after impeachment passes the house? If the Senate balks, he continues unabated. An asterisk beside 45 will mean less than most. I want him under the jail along with those that are empowering him.
We really have to get over this idea that people don't know this. We know.
Indicting the President is not the responsibility of the House. Impeaching him is.
We just concluded a 2 year long investigation into his campaign colluding with Russia, where he denied it daily, calling it a Witch Hunt, and now he's saying he would do it without any hesitation.
I respectfully disagree that people know. I hope that your faith in this political process holding him to task has a net positive.
I'm going to quote myself here only because we were just discussing this in the politics thread. Basically, there are plenty of good reasons for Dems to go through with impeachment even if the Senate won't indict him:
As someone who works for Democrats on the ground, a commonly heard sentiment is that we wish Democrats in Congress cared even HALF as much about keeping their base motivated as Republicans do.
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I dunno why he would when he won the election last time, did not suffer a single consequence, and continues to not suffer any consequences. If anything he's going to solicit more foreign aid for round 2020. But no, Pelosi, it's just not worth impeaching him.
The bolded is such a silly argument.
If the House does nothing, he continues unabated. Guaranteed. No downsides for him.
If the House investigates for a year and impeached, and the Senate acquits, he could continue unabated as an executive impeached after a nasty, attention-sucking investigation.
Why is the latter bad or somehow not preferable.
Im going to take a guess you aint either.
I just got off the line with my 3 congresscritters, lets see some of that energy aimed better than cascading despair.
I don't like the thinking of those who never think to do this.
I also worry that there's a dearth of pro-impeachment calls (respectful yet pushy) to sway minds or reassure the worried, or that there's wacko GOP lifelongs bombarding their phones threatening if it does come to pass.
As we gaze deeper into The Heart of Darkness, wilting pressure could stall everything out. Cascading despair is right out, of course.
Not like our government will. He has henchmen at every level but the House and Pelosi isn't willing to do much more than finger wag and fake concern.
Yeah at this point she owns Trump as much as Mitch McConnell in my view if she doesn't do anything