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Trump says Jews who vote Democrat are "disloyal"
- Thread starter Captain Tuttle
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Trump believes in ethnonationalism; to him, Jews belong to Israel. The idea that Americans can be Jewish, and that those Jewish Americans can be pro-American or anti-Israel, is counter to everything as he understands it. In Trump's mind Jews should support the GoP because the GoP supports Israel, their "true" land, which is where he wants all of them to leave for.
People marched in Charlottesville chanting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us." Trump called them very fine people.
won't be much of a distraction for the people losing their jobs.
won't be much of a distraction for the people losing their jobs.
To who, you? They never were but I guess in your syphilis ridden empty cranial cavity you're their Messiah!
Trump doesn't need help to be anti-semitic. But these comments aren't just more of his personal anti-semitism about his accountants or the like. They are a direct response to criticism of Israel by a select few Democrats.
Something like 75% of American Jews are Democrats. Jews have a long and proud history of being involved in leftism and progressive movements. Trump is just so misguided here, even for him. It's obvious, mask-off antisemitism, isn't it?
Also, the Democrats and how their blundering reaction to Omar's comments has given Trump the idea that support for Israel is a wedge issue in the Democratic Party. I don't think there's any indication that this is the case, not yet, and this is just Trump pitching antisemitic hate to his rabid base (including the few Jews who degrade themselves to support him).
Also, the Democrats and how their blundering reaction to Omar's comments has given Trump the idea that support for Israel is a wedge issue in the Democratic Party. I don't think there's any indication that this is the case, not yet, and this is just Trump pitching antisemitic hate to his rabid base (including the few Jews who degrade themselves to support him).
It will be acutely felt and reported on in Michigan which is the only place that really matters anyways.
Don't mean to be rude, but did you read the article and see the context of this line?
Article in the OP said:
Shapiro has said some absolutely vile and atrocious things about liberal and secular Jews. He doesn't give a damn if "those" Jews are slaughtered. It's his perverse ideology and world view that matters over everything else.
Where's the outrage about Trump saying that American Jews have dual loyalty or are more loyal to Israel from the right wing?
This is antisemitism 101, and also shines a light on how ethnonationalist discourse in Israel is ultimately part of the same antisemitism.
The Republican Jewish Coalition already put out a statement supporting his comments.
I believe the basis is that rapture will only occur once "the Jews" move to the holy land or something.
I assume you meant Trump and not me.
The only US Jews I know of who stand behind Trump are his rich buddies in S. Fl and the ultra conservatives. 20% sounds about right.
I never understood Republican Jews/why the Israeli government likes the GOP. I mean, the GOP only wants them to hurry up the Apocalypse. They know that, right?
Conflating Israel support with Jewish American identity is blatantly antisemitic.
"You're not really Jewish if you don't support Likud and the current status quo with Palestine" is a really, really offensive thing to say. Jewish Americans aren't as dumb as the gaslighting members of Congress and the press would have you believe.
The Israeli government will accept the aid and praise of anyone who overlooks their formation of an apartheid state. America (not just the GOP) has traditionally valued having a non-Muslim, somewhat democratic ally in the region for strategic purposes. The fit is natural. The evangelical angle is icing.
I didn't say it wasn't anti-semitic; apologies if my post read otherwise. It's also bloody chum in the water to conspiratorial white supremacists and other hardcore anti-semites, even unintentionally/indirectly. However the motives and context behind these statements is distinguishable from things like his casual anti-semitism, or Soros dogwhistling etc...
Israel or Judaism in general (which may be one and the same to him).
"...like he's the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God."
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
"Thank you to Wayne Allyn Root for the very nice words. "President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America, he is the best President for Israel in the history of the world...and the Jewish people in Israel love him....
....like he's the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God...But American Jews don't know him or like him. They don't even know what they're doing or saying anymore. It makes no sense! But that's OK, if he keeps doing what he's doing, he's good for.....
.....all Jews, Blacks, Gays, everyone. And importantly, he's good for everyone in America who wants a job." Wow! @newsmax @foxandfriends @OANN
7:34 AM - Aug 21, 2019
Aaron Blake @AaronBlake
Wayne Allyn Root has promoted conspiracy theories including that Las Vegas shooter had ISIS ties, Charlottesville was a false flag, Seth Rich was murdered (by any number of Democrats) and birtherism.https://www.thedailybeast.com/wayne-allyn-root-trumps-rally-opener-is-a-conspiracy-theorist-who-thinks-the-vegas-shooter-was-isis … https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164138795475881986 …
7:46 AM - Aug 21, 2019
"Thank you to Wayne Allyn Root for the very nice words. "President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America, he is the best President for Israel in the history of the world...and the Jewish people in Israel love him....
....like he's the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God...But American Jews don't know him or like him. They don't even know what they're doing or saying anymore. It makes no sense! But that's OK, if he keeps doing what he's doing, he's good for.....
.....all Jews, Blacks, Gays, everyone. And importantly, he's good for everyone in America who wants a job." Wow! @newsmax @foxandfriends @OANN
7:34 AM - Aug 21, 2019
Aaron Blake @AaronBlake
Wayne Allyn Root has promoted conspiracy theories including that Las Vegas shooter had ISIS ties, Charlottesville was a false flag, Seth Rich was murdered (by any number of Democrats) and birtherism.https://www.thedailybeast.com/wayne-allyn-root-trumps-rally-opener-is-a-conspiracy-theorist-who-thinks-the-vegas-shooter-was-isis … https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164138795475881986 …
7:46 AM - Aug 21, 2019
Jewish people aren't loyal to the party of fascists and increase in concentration camps?!
Who would have guessed?
Who would have guessed?
Maybe he wouldn't have made this specific comment without Democrats fucking up. So? Seriously, why should that fucking matter months later when you clearly know what he's saying is bullshit, when you know he'd be trying to paint himself as more supportive of Israel anyways? That's something he was already doing before he even won the election and something Fox News and the GOP have tried claiming for 20 years at this point.
Actually, I'm confused by your comment. You're not even saying this is because Democrats chastised Ilhan Omar, you're saying it's because of her and Talib's criticism of Israel("response to criticism of Israel by a select few Democrats"). Do you think they shouldn't be critical? Do you think Democrats shouldn't have come to their defense when Israel's travel ban was put in place?
Adam Blickstein @AdamBlickstein
[checks notes] Trump quoting an evangelical Christian asserting Jews view Trump as the second coming, which is not a thing in Judaism...
8:01 AM - Aug 21, 2019
[checks notes] Trump quoting an evangelical Christian asserting Jews view Trump as the second coming, which is not a thing in Judaism...
8:01 AM - Aug 21, 2019
Trump quoting a conspiracy theorist stating that he's like the second coming of God, and doubling down on "Jewish Americans don't know what they're doing"... is exactly how I saw this going.
I'm not sure what value judgement you're reading into my claim about Trump's motivation but rest assured it has nothing to do with excusing or supporting him; I'm just pointing out that he very explicitly was talking about the growing criticism of Israel by some Democrats (criticism I agree with). Acting like this is just more of his casual anti-semitism, disconnected from the events that started with the attacks on Omar a few months back is inaccurate.
I agree that Trump would probably be trying to position himself as a better ally to Israel regardless. However I think that efforts to circumvent and change the dominant narratives about Israel are the way to both challenge that claim, critique its overall goal, and attempt to counter both the islamophobia ("Muslims irrationally hate Jews") and anti-semitism ("Jews must be loyal to Israel") that is rampant in the public debate. To that end, I disagree with the response by some Democrats, public figures etc to Omar's comments, but I'd wager I disagree with their stances on Israel/Palestine anyway so I don't necessarily see it as a failure or lapse. However the response is both reflective and affirming of the dominant narratives I mentioned above, and it is in this context that Trump is operating.
To put it another way, I don't think there's a response to Omar's comments from the mainstream of the Democratic party that would have prevented Trump from doubling down on this sort of rhetoric; at most it would probably be the difference between him trying to paint this element as representative like he is now, or claiming that he forced them to deal with the anti-semites in their ranks. But many of the reasons he's doing so and the reasons the response was what it was are shared/intertwined.
This is literally how the book of Revelations describes the anti-christ.
I think there are some crossed signals here because a lot of posters like to derail (and were derailing this thread) to make it all about blaming Democrats for anything Trump says regarding Jews or Israel. Your post however rightly pointed out that this recent comment is a response to direct criticism of Israel, which led to the Israeli government blocking travel for those critics and led to Democrats defending Omar and Talib. So I wasn't sure what point you were making because when a lot of posters say "this is the Dems fault", they're referring to the earlier claims they made of Omar's comments being anti-semitic and I believe that in this case, that's a bit nonsense.
the president's lawyer says duh, he means disloyal to israel!
Doesn't matter. The attack on one's sense of honor is sufficient to make the person try to correct for the accusation, rather than calling the accuser an a-hole. Or at least in 1930-40s Germany that worked. Psychology is weird like that.
Adolf Hitler had the exact same kink, and it was mostly successful until it became untenable. See: Der Untergang. It's literally what that "hitler reacts to" - memed scene is about.