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Trump shows middle finger to Europe in new cover of the biggest German magazine: Der Spiegel
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As an American minority, I don't blame Europe at all giving us the middle finger.
I give the middle finger to trump whenever a photo or video of him comes up.
I give the middle finger to trump whenever a photo or video of him comes up.
i am not a smart man, so can someone explain what "not relying on usa" means in practical terms during peace time? are they going to close all those military bases in europe? economically i don't see how anything can really change as long as usa is such a power house, notwithstanding all the tariff nonsense.
Exactly, those tariffs are insane, and could pretty much blow up free trade as we know it. So, yeah, not destroying global trade. That would be "being able to rely on the USA"
Assuming of course, Trump doesn't get re-elected (or if the RNC decides to cut their losses & nominate someone else).
A country is more than their military, contrary to what the USA would like you to believe.
Yes please help us by not putting tariffs on steel, stirring it up in the middle east, dropping deals like it's nothing, insulting french terror attack victims etc.
Is this magazine owned by Time or part of its parent company? Because that's basically evocative of their "Meltdown" covers that predated the election.
There's nothing to a agree or disagree here. The US is humiliating Europe by breaking the Iran deal.
It's cute that you think you can simply rebuild trust like that after pouring gasoline on the bridge and lighting it on fire.
Nobody should take the United States at their word ever again. Once Trump is gone there will be even someone worse (and more competently evil) waiting in the wings to profit from the hateful rhetoric and brainwashing of the Fox News / Sinclair machine.
Well, the vast majority of humans can see what his skin looks like.
American exeptionalism ("help Europe" and not "collaborate with Europe") and self-victimization in one sentence, incredible.
but to me that just sounds like europe has to rely on usa whether we like it or not. usa is such a huge part of european trade that it would probably take decades to not be reliant on them.
The truth is Europe is the real enemy for Trump, whether its the Social values or the Economics, the EU is the Second biggest Economy on Earth, and he's not a fan.
I'd imagine with him it's something as simple as a perceptions that Europeans think they are better than him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
I'd imagine with him it's something as simple as a perceptions that Europeans think they are better than him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
Shit is over once this years health insurance increases come out.
The current world order of trade, was built by the USA. Like it or not, they are in a unique position to sabotage it. Of course, ultimately this will hurt the US just as much as anybody else. Normally you could rely on the US not hurting itself to hurt everybody else too. Normally you could rely on them not electing a complete maniac who plays havoc on the global stage, to this extent.
I won't disagree that Europe is too reliant on the US, but tragedy in all of this is, that in a normal world, with normal leaders, who act rationally, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
We don't hate you. But understand, after a Bush>Obama> and now Trump USA, you are coming off as kind of a bi-polar psycho country.
Eh a regime change is an easy excuse to open communication channels.
What can we do when the vast majority of people who vote are inbred Hillbillies
There will be communication out of mutual interest. Just like there is now. But the blind trust and good faith won't be restored even when Trump is gone.
This isn't even true. Trump lost the popular vote by MILLIONS of votes. Unfortunate there's a lot of fucking stupid people in the rust belt states he needed to win.
Yes im refering to the southern states i live in California so i never met trump supporters
Yes.
The precedence set by this will not end when trump leaves.
The United States has shown that it's word as a country means nothing.
The phone call with Australias Prime Minister Turnbull put it succinctly at the beginnng of trumps presidency:
Turnbull
Trump
Turnbull:
Trump
Trump has shown the world nothing the United States says or does, is worth the paper it is printed on.
At most it will only be a matter of years before any deal the us makes couod be potentially broken.
Who in their right mind would deal with such a liability?
It's not that Europe hates you. We just don't trust you anymore. Hell, people even trust Russia with its state-run troll farms more than the US these days. And why should we, or anyone? It's America first, we got the message.
Not being reliable enough to lead any international movement be it social, economic, intelligence, or military. We effectively are headless right now, with it sitting in plain sight our "head" is a puppet on a string of a monster mobster.
I'm 40. I've said this before, but I've lived most of my life as a citizen of a lone superpower and that ended. I'll be an old man before even our reputation comes back.
We all have our demons.
What I mean by that is that some, like France and Germany, were able to contain theirs in this kleptocratic spy-op tornado, others, like us and Austria, failed to. The Rational among us must see ourselves as allies against internal enemies, imho, rather than do what they want us to react like and grow apart and suspicious of each other.
Those refugees you don't like? yeah they kinda ended up In other European countries.
For decades, because of US attacks, millions migrated.
How many refuges did they take?
I assume trusting we will keep our agreements. We've pulled out of the Paris climate change agreement, the Iran nuclear agreement, and threaten to quit NATO.
The USA once had a leadership role. If we went in one direction that carried a lot if weight as far as affirming the validity of a treaty or agreement. I think with us breaking so many promises countries will pay a lot more attention on the effects am agreement may have on themselves long-term with even less focus being on placating the U.S. or going with the flow because the U.S. said its good for the west.
I know my community isn't known for much good but can we not do the bolded please?
I'm not advocating the spray tan, but I'm kinda digging the color styles for these magazine covers. Orange-yellow-black kinda works for me.
I hope most Europeans realize that the reason we're bipolar is because we're essentially being attacked from the inside. The very fabric of our democracy (open information to make decisions) is being attacked. It's the bedrock of a democracy and it's being pulled away.
If we don't somehow combat the bolded above, we may never come back. Just know that most Americans aren't crazy and that we have kinks in our system that most European democracies don't have (gerrymandering, Electoral College). These are things hurting us and these propoganda networks are utilizing it to exploit us.