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Trump tweets Racist Slur 'Pocahontus' referring to Senator Elizabeth Warren
- Thread starter Geist
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Sure but I wouldn't call him a racial slur. You get that right?
Oh and I'm also not the President.
He's been doing this but yeah, still reprehensible. The Trumpets will sweep this under the rug once again. Hope it gets blown up even more tho.
She listed herself as a minority in an Association of American Law Schools directory, and Harvard at one point used her to counter claims that law school faculty were overwhelmingly white.
You encourage this type of behavior from a president?
Time to rethink your position.
mocking him, sure. but calling him the n word just because it's making fun of HIM is being a racist.
using a word like "Pocahontas" for a single person when it affects an entire group of people is fucking racist, period. regardless if he's trying to "joke" about it.
Depends on which direction that mocking would go in
Really Warren fucked up big time with this and it's a really bad scandal that I've never heard her clarify or talk about. Which is a problem.
But at the same time people lose any ground saying they give a crap about how someone doing something like this would have been disrespectful to native Americans by throwing Pocahontas and shopping stereotypical Native American imagery on her. They have no interest in the problematic nature of the story being used against her. They just want to mock her and native Americans because they think racism is funny
Let's not conflate the 2 things: saying the n word- a word only used to demean and degrade and using the word Pocahontas- a real person who carries identifying power, are 2 very different things. Synecdoche in a way. The critique is that she usurped a culture whom she has no relation with, which I feel may be as offensive as his tactless rebuttal.
As awful as Trump is and as much as I support Warren I think "Pocahontas" is actually a pretty appropriate insult for an obviously white woman trying to use being 1/24 Cherokee or whatever like some kind of race card.
That said I don't think Warren has invoked her ancestry recently and Trump is once again playing the role of fourth grade bully who came up with a good zinger once and still saying long after it was ever funny.
That said I don't think Warren has invoked her ancestry recently and Trump is once again playing the role of fourth grade bully who came up with a good zinger once and still saying long after it was ever funny.
Appropriate? No.
Appropriate for a president? Hell no.
You guys continue to normalize this shit.
if warren had said she was 1/32 parts Indian and trump called her 'Gandhi Warren', it'd be just as racist against Indians. in school i was called gandhi as a derogatory term all the time (yes i am indian), and im sure native american's were called pocahantas as a derogatory term. just because you do not conflate the two things as being alike, doesn't mean it's ok for trump to be blatantly racist. fuck him
No person should be above racism. And no person should have more rights on a platform, like Twitter, then anyone else.
Would you think calling someone the N word would be an appropriate insult to someone who said they had African American ancestry?
Completely agree and maybe because I've actually seen this being thrown at a girl when I was in junior high. They called her Pocahantas, just because she was Native American and it was one of the only things they could think of that had anything to do with Native Americans and I guess they needed a name to mock her with, so that's what they went with. Bullies that is. It had nothing to do with the real person just like when Trump does it, it doesn't either.
I agree with this, I am 1/4 black but I look mostly white, but I strongly identify with my black heritage. I want my kids to do so aswell regardless of the percentage of blackness. It's also a political stance to claim your ancestors even if it's only a low percentage. If you don't and claim to be white, it's like erasing them. We shouldn't think that she did that for getting benefits.
Does "Pocahontas" actually have any history as being used as slur? Did most Americans even know who Pocahontas was before the Disney movie in the 90's?
I'd bet most people in the country don't even know she was even a real person at all.
Also thinking that people like Trump use Pocahontas as a power figure is laughable. Stop condoning this shit.
It's the classic racist thing of calling you by the only thing they know about your culture, like calling a Muslim "Muhammad" or an Indian "Abu".
It's the classic racist thing of calling you by the only thing they know about your culture, like calling a Muslim "Muhammad" or an Indian "Abu".
Did not a lot of people on this forum make fun of Rachel Dolezal when she pretended to be a minority? If you are not ethnically a part of a minority group, that is you are not enveloped within the political and social memories that accompany said group, you have no freedom to appropriate that for your own benefit. Full stop.
Rachel Dolezal faked racist attacks on herself and her children, and told PoC there were not PoC enough.
Did Warren do similar things?
Dolezal lied about her heritage. Warren as far as we know didn't. Do you know there is a lot of native and blacks that looks white ?
You continue to miss the point.
HE IS THE FUCKING PRESIDENT.
Also it is still being used as a slur.
To compare this with Rachel Dolezal, a person who built her entire persona around trying to be black is just insanity.
She hasn't gained anything from it:
Nah, the Pocahontas jab against Warren is a joke about her not really being Native American because she's only like 1/32.
On the other hand Trump only got banned for 11 minutes for saying stupid shit on twitter and it wasn't even their intention
This is a time honored tradition of middle ages white ladies. It's part of her heritage.
You know, I hate when white folk try and claim native heritage but but damn that reply.
Yes. I did in some fashion defend Trumps insult which hurt my argument, but i do know people in Canada who take advantage of the special rights we give to aboriginals. They do not live with the community, know of its various histories, support it, and in some cases are actively discriminatory against Aboriginals.
This is the place im coming from, not from a place to defend trump but from a place arguing against minority appropriation for personal gain no matter how mundane it is.
Im basing my argument off this.
And from there i made assumptions. Youve clarified the extent of her appropriation which is, ill agree, limited. The cookbook does signal she does know of some of the cultural history at least. I will not look kindly to appropriation of this kind, though i do myself find cultural appropriation sometimes fine whether it is clothing etc done in a respective manner. however i made too many assumptions.
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. Only way he'll learn his lesson is for the tweet to be deleted for breaking TOS.
I don't ever post on my Twitter, but Twitter's continued refusal to enforce their own policies on The Man At the Top broke the straw on the camel's back. I've officially canceled my Twitter account. Seriously, this is all so just ridiculous that there's no repurcussions for anything that man does!
Can someone explain to me when Pocahontus became a slur? I get it's racist, like calling a random black dude Tyrone or some shit like that, but when did it become a slur?
edit: I suppose following the definition "a derogatory or insulting term applied to particular group of people." it fits?
edit: I suppose following the definition "a derogatory or insulting term applied to particular group of people." it fits?
It's a stretch. I'm NA and it's considered way more offensive for white people to claim native heritage than to call one of those people Pocahontas. People got so shitty about Rachel Dolezal but barely bat an eye at this shit.
Nah don't worry, I actually thought that was a verbatim quote. Trump is a troglodyte.
Trump isn't capable of learning ANY lessons.
If Twitter booted him off for his conduct, he'd claim it was fake news or a conspiracy and that he didn't do anything wrong and blame Hillary or Obama.
Well Donald as disgusting as the dnc rig is. It's not illegal. The dnc can choose whomever the fuck it wants to. It doesn't even have to have a primary.